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Post by bigfan on May 26, 2018 13:46:51 GMT -5
She is gaming the system, the third time will be the charm. The facts suggest otherwise. She tested positive for anabolic androgenic steroids in 2013 and was suspended for 13 months. According to Klineman, the positive results were due to unintentional ingestion of her mother's DHEA supplement. Now this. She is going to play another 5 years at least. If this happens again are you going to say it is all a big mis-understanding? |
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Post by ts89yahoo on May 26, 2018 13:54:54 GMT -5
Klineman-stans out in full force. You keep saying the word facts but I’m not sure you know what that means. The facts are she tested positive. Twice. What is not facts is why she said she did (her saying she took her moms DHEA pill by accident. lol). That isn’t a fact. That’s testimony which is by definition not a fact and certainly subject to scrutiny and frankly serious doubt.
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Post by cbrmatt on May 26, 2018 14:41:59 GMT -5
MHP referenced the testing on her instagram story recently. She said she is going to run out of blood if they keep testing her. (Obviously she’s not going to run out of blood)
In regards to Alix, you are a professional athlete and you need to know what you putting into your body. Doesn’t matter if she was in season or not, you should not be permitted to take any sort of banned substance. Those are banned for a reason. If she had an ailment, I’m sure there is an alternative medication that she could have used to treat it.
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Post by haze on May 26, 2018 15:03:09 GMT -5
Klineman-stans out in full force. You keep saying the word facts but I’m not sure you know what that means. The facts are she tested positive. Twice. What is not facts is why she said she did (her saying she took her moms DHEA pill by accident. lol). That isn’t a fact. That’s testimony which is by definition not a fact and certainly subject to scrutiny and frankly serious doubt. Testing positive and your suggestion of "cheating" are in fact not the same thing. |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on May 26, 2018 15:52:34 GMT -5
I don't have a strong opinion either way about Klineman. I am, however, familiar with the facts of both cases - the fact of the positive result and the fact that USADA reduced her suspension the first time and exonerated her the second time.
I am also familiar with USADA and WADA procedures, including knowing how difficult it is to have a suspension reduced/overturned without very, very persuasive evidence to the contrary. The fact that USADA has twice stated that there was no intent to gain a competitive advantage should not be taken lightly, and leads me to be inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. Others may disagree and see a more nefarious pattern - which is understandable in today's culture, where entire countries (Russia) are being suspended for PED use.
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Post by sonofdogman on May 26, 2018 16:32:20 GMT -5
Klineman-stans out in full force. You keep saying the word facts but I’m not sure you know what that means. The facts are she tested positive. Twice. What is not facts is why she said she did (her saying she took her moms DHEA pill by accident. lol). That isn’t a fact. That’s testimony which is by definition not a fact and certainly subject to scrutiny and frankly serious doubt. Well I'm not sure you are reading my posts properly. I am quite aware of both major classes of facts, legal ones and scientific ones. The items I listed as facts are not in dispute by you or anyone else. I did not mention her mom's pills or her explanation. Try to be more thorough if you wish to argue a contrary position with me here. |
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Post by crawdaddy on May 27, 2018 10:16:34 GMT -5
I don't have a strong opinion either way about Klineman. I am, however, familiar with the facts of both cases - the fact of the positive result and the fact that USADA reduced her suspension the first time and exonerated her the second time. I am also familiar with USADA and WADA procedures, including knowing how difficult it is to have a suspension reduced/overturned without very, very persuasive evidence to the contrary. The fact that USADA has twice stated that there was no intent to gain a competitive advantage should not be taken lightly, and leads me to be inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. Others may disagree and see a more nefarious pattern - which is understandable in today's culture, where entire countries (Russia) are being suspended for PED use. Even with the suspension, they essentially exonerated her the first time as well, stating they believed it was accidental but had no choice but to suspend because of the zero-tolerance policy. If I recall the wording correctly, they referred to the suspension as "unfortunate collateral damage of the anti-doping movement." |
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Post by tafit on May 29, 2018 15:00:18 GMT -5
Well I'd hope an athlete taking anabolic androgenic steroids gets suspended, we really have heard all kinds of excuses from caught athletes, of course there should be zero tolerance.
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Post by donnyw on Jun 12, 2018 20:59:14 GMT -5
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Post by johnbar on Jun 12, 2018 23:57:47 GMT -5
This is more like Alix's first failed drug test, for which she served a longer suspension. |
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Post by Semp12 on Jun 13, 2018 9:17:16 GMT -5
If that is truly the case, that the mother transferred traces of the drug to the meal eaten by the whole family, and not just some statement and the best they could "prove", then it sets a pretty crazy precedent. What about all those people that eat out at restaurants- you have no idea who handles your food. |
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Post by ajm on Jun 13, 2018 11:48:15 GMT -5
If that is truly the case, that the mother transferred traces of the drug to the meal eaten by the whole family, and not just some statement and the best they could "prove", then it sets a pretty crazy precedent. What about all those people that eat out at restaurants- you have no idea who handles your food. I wonder how they determined the drug got in the meal? Did they send leftovers to the lab? Test all family members? It does set a pretty crazy precedent, but also pretty scary for the athletes. It would seem pretty easy and untraceable to slip something into food, especially if it's not generally harmful in trace amounts. In Alix's case, where she already has two strikes against her, the possibility must be especially worrisome. |
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Post by bigfan on Jun 13, 2018 13:05:48 GMT -5
If that is truly the case, that the mother transferred traces of the drug to the meal eaten by the whole family, and not just some statement and the best they could "prove", then it sets a pretty crazy precedent. What about all those people that eat out at restaurants- you have no idea who handles your food. I wonder how they determined the drug got in the meal? Did they send leftovers to the lab? Test all family members? Bowel movements |
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Post by unrated on Jun 13, 2018 13:33:08 GMT -5
Wait, isn't it Alix? Someone had it that way and I couldn't fully get my eyeroll to 360 degrees, I pray this was a mistake. Yup, Alix. Stereotypically she should be the lead guitarist in a Jewish hair metal band. In this day and age, I'm content with no numbers, symbols or emoticons in her name. p.s. My apologies if "405lax" is your current legal name.  |
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Post by johnbar on Jun 13, 2018 19:20:05 GMT -5
Well, her full given name is "Alexandra", but, for whatever reason, she has always been "Alix" for volleyball.
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