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Post by trojansc on May 31, 2018 20:13:04 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I just saw this:
According to Wikipedia (lol), "This information was comfirmed by Asian Volleyball Confederation during the AVC Executive Committee Meeting in Pattaya, Thailand on 11 May 2018. But FIVB will have officially announced yet."
(1) Host - Japan (6) 2019 World Qualifier (1) North American Qualifier (1) South American Qualifier (1) Europe Qualifier (1) African Qualifier (1) Asian Qualifier
UGH that's tough on Europe... If the 2019 World Qualifier is held first, this benefits teams like Argentina, Thailand, South Korea, Dominican Republic, because they are not the best in their region, but they are often 2nd or close to it. However, if it is held after the regional tournaments, the European teams would stand a much better chance
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Post by vbfanantic on May 31, 2018 20:20:36 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I just saw this: According to Wikipedia (lol), "This information was comfirmed by Asian Volleyball Confederation during the AVC Executive Committee Meeting in Pattaya, Thailand on 11 May 2018. But FIVB will have officially announced yet." (1) Host - Japan (6) 2019 World Qualifier (1) North American Qualifier (1) South American Qualifier (1) Europe Qualifier (1) African Qualifier (1) Asian Qualifier UGH that's tough on Europe... If the 2019 World Qualifier is held first, this benefits teams like Argentina, Thailand, South Korea, Dominican Republic, because they are not the best in their region, but they are often 2nd or close to it. However, if it is held after the regional tournaments, the European teams would stand a much better chance Is it possible that they do the trickle down concept like they do in juniors? If a team wins an open bid, the regional bid goes to the next best team in the region? If a team wins their area qualifier (Brazil wins South America) but then places in the top six at worlds, that the bid goes to the 2nd place team in South America? Maybe a dumb question but I have no idea so thought I would ask? I am almost dreading the "you are so stupid comments" so please be gentle:)
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Post by trojansc on May 31, 2018 20:26:10 GMT -5
Is it possible that they do the trickle down concept like they do in juniors? If a team wins an open bid, the regional bid goes to the next best team in the region? If a team wins their area qualifier (Brazil wins South America) but then places in the top six at worlds, that the bid goes to the 2nd place team in South America? Maybe a dumb question but I have no idea so thought I would ask? I am almost dreading the "you are so stupid comments" so please be gentle:) They definitely have never done that in the past, so I can't see that happening. I am assuming that the World Qualifier is going to be first, because it is kind of replacing the World Cup.
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Post by vbfanantic on May 31, 2018 20:30:21 GMT -5
Is it possible that they do the trickle down concept like they do in juniors? If a team wins an open bid, the regional bid goes to the next best team in the region? If a team wins their area qualifier (Brazil wins South America) but then places in the top six at worlds, that the bid goes to the 2nd place team in South America? Maybe a dumb question but I have no idea so thought I would ask? I am almost dreading the "you are so stupid comments" so please be gentle:) They definitely have never done that in the past, so I can't see that happening. I am assuming that the World Qualifier is going to be first, because it is kind of replacing the World Cup. thank you for being kind
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 31, 2018 20:48:21 GMT -5
Is it possible that they do the trickle down concept like they do in juniors? If a team wins an open bid, the regional bid goes to the next best team in the region? If a team wins their area qualifier (Brazil wins South America) but then places in the top six at worlds, that the bid goes to the 2nd place team in South America? Maybe a dumb question but I have no idea so thought I would ask? I am almost dreading the "you are so stupid comments" so please be gentle:) They definitely have never done that in the past, so I can't see that happening. I am assuming that the World Qualifier is going to be first, because it is kind of replacing the World Cup. I would bet on this. NORCECA + CSV + AVC can outvote CEV.
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Post by stevehorn on May 31, 2018 22:54:23 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I just saw this: According to Wikipedia (lol), "This information was comfirmed by Asian Volleyball Confederation during the AVC Executive Committee Meeting in Pattaya, Thailand on 11 May 2018. But FIVB will have officially announced yet." (1) Host - Japan (6) 2019 World Qualifier (1) North American Qualifier (1) South American Qualifier (1) Europe Qualifier (1) African Qualifier (1) Asian Qualifier UGH that's tough on Europe... If the 2019 World Qualifier is held first, this benefits teams like Argentina, Thailand, South Korea, Dominican Republic, because they are not the best in their region, but they are often 2nd or close to it. However, if it is held after the regional tournaments, the European teams would stand a much better chance So if the World Qualifier is first, then I take it that the qualifying teams don't participate in the regional qualifiers?
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on May 31, 2018 23:19:07 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I just saw this: According to Wikipedia (lol), "This information was comfirmed by Asian Volleyball Confederation during the AVC Executive Committee Meeting in Pattaya, Thailand on 11 May 2018. But FIVB will have officially announced yet." (1) Host - Japan (6) 2019 World Qualifier (1) North American Qualifier (1) South American Qualifier (1) Europe Qualifier (1) African Qualifier (1) Asian Qualifier UGH that's tough on Europe... If the 2019 World Qualifier is held first, this benefits teams like Argentina, Thailand, South Korea, Dominican Republic, because they are not the best in their region, but they are often 2nd or close to it. However, if it is held after the regional tournaments, the European teams would stand a much better chance So if the World Qualifier is first, then I take it that the qualifying teams don't participate in the regional qualifiers? That's what I remember, but I might be thinking of soccer. The qualfiers are like last chance tournaments.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 1, 2018 0:03:35 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I just saw this: According to Wikipedia (lol), "This information was comfirmed by Asian Volleyball Confederation during the AVC Executive Committee Meeting in Pattaya, Thailand on 11 May 2018. But FIVB will have officially announced yet." (1) Host - Japan (6) 2019 World Qualifier (1) North American Qualifier (1) South American Qualifier (1) Europe Qualifier (1) African Qualifier (1) Asian Qualifier UGH that's tough on Europe... If the 2019 World Qualifier is held first, this benefits teams like Argentina, Thailand, South Korea, Dominican Republic, because they are not the best in their region, but they are often 2nd or close to it. However, if it is held after the regional tournaments, the European teams would stand a much better chance So if the World Qualifier is first, then I take it that the qualifying teams don't participate in the regional qualifiers? Yes, exactly. If I had to predict the field as of today: Japan Host World 6 USA Serbia China Brazil Italy Netherlands Asia - South Korea North America - Dominican Republic Europe - Russia Africa - Kenya South America - Argentina The biggest threats to Europe would be South Korea, Thailand, or Dominican Republic getting hot and potentially gettig into the World 6. What we really need to know, is HOW many teams are going to the World Qualifier (I saw previously proposed top 12 FIVB ranked teams)
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 1, 2018 0:07:21 GMT -5
I think Russia is in decline. Poland or Turkey will take their spot.
I wouldn't assume Netherlands would be a lock either. Groethues is about 30 and injury prone and they don't have ANY other OH who can pass.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 1, 2018 3:20:28 GMT -5
I think Russia is in decline. Poland or Turkey will take their spot. I wouldn't assume Netherlands would be a lock either. Groethues is about 30 and injury prone and they don't have ANY other OH who can pass. Is Poland getting stronger? They haven't qualified for the 2014 or 2018 World Championships. Also, Azerbaijan is always a threat
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Post by n00b on Jun 1, 2018 10:23:05 GMT -5
So if the World Qualifier is first, then I take it that the qualifying teams don't participate in the regional qualifiers? Yes, exactly. If I had to predict the field as of today: Japan Host World 6 USA Serbia China Brazil Italy Netherlands Asia - South Korea North America - Dominican Republic Europe - Russia Africa - Kenya South America - Argentina The biggest threats to Europe would be South Korea, Thailand, or Dominican Republic getting hot and potentially gettig into the World 6. What we really need to know, is HOW many teams are going to the World Qualifier (I saw previously proposed top 12 FIVB ranked teams) According to this link... www.smmsport.com/m/news.php?n=215596... and Google Translate, the World Qualifier is top 24 in the FIVB rankings as of January 1, 2019.
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Post by donut on Jun 1, 2018 10:47:20 GMT -5
I agree Russia is on the decline, but Kosheleva and Goncharova are still world class. Turkey played with much more of their A-Team than Russia did in their 2-3 loss. I could see Turkey taking their spot (especially with Guidetti), but I'm interested to see who their starting OHs will be. They have trouble keeping OHs on the floor. I don't think Poland is there yet. I agree with trojansc 's predictions, but as c4ndlelight said, a major asterisk next to Netherlands. If Morrison is trying to implement some USA-fast style volleyball, I'm worried. They don't have the passing for that system. I'm inclined to say they should stick to a higher/slower/RUSSIA system, because they have some arms on that team. I would also put one next to Italy - what an inconsistent team. They have a VERY high ceiling but I hardly ever see them reach it. Asia is very lucky Japan is hosting in 2020. There is a huge drop off after China, but because Japan is hosting, South Korea or Thailand will be in the field. Not entirely convinced Japan, Korea or Thailand deserve to be there at all.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 1, 2018 11:08:48 GMT -5
Kosheleva just had a serious injury and did not look good prior to that. She relies very heavily on going OT and if she can't do that...... Goncharova is also on the decline. She had a pretty bad pro season and years of overuse appear to have taken their toll on her.
Poland is trending up... they may not be there by 2020 but they are climbing out from rock bottom and their youngsters are really good.
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Post by beachboy88 on Jun 1, 2018 11:09:55 GMT -5
I agree Russia is on the decline, but Kosheleva and Goncharova are still world class. Turkey played with much more of their A-Team than Russia did in their 2-3 loss. I could see Turkey taking their spot (especially with Guidetti), but I'm interested to see who their starting OHs will be. They have trouble keeping OHs on the floor. I don't think Poland is there yet. I agree with trojansc 's predictions, but as c4ndlelight said, a major asterisk next to Netherlands. If Morrison is trying to implement some USA-fast style volleyball, I'm worried. They don't have the passing for that system. I'm inclined to say they should stick to a higher/slower/RUSSIA system, because they have some arms on that team. I would also put one next to Italy - what an inconsistent team. They have a VERY high ceiling but I hardly ever see them reach it. Asia is very lucky Japan is hosting in 2020. There is a huge drop off after China, but because Japan is hosting, South Korea or Thailand will be in the field. Not entirely convinced Japan, Korea or Thailand deserve to be there at all. Who do you see going in place of Japan/Korea/Thailand? I haven't watched much lately, so I am just curious what teams are the new contenders over there.
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Post by donut on Jun 1, 2018 11:58:44 GMT -5
Kosheleva just had a serious injury and did not look good prior to that. She relies very heavily on going OT and if she can't do that...... Goncharova is also on the decline. She had a pretty bad pro season and years of overuse appear to have taken their toll on her. Poland is trending up... they may not be there by 2020 but they are climbing out from rock bottom and their youngsters are really good. Kosheleva was hitting .315 in Turkish League before her injury. According to the Turkish League site, she was the #1 OH in regular season play...
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