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Post by jwvolley on Jun 15, 2018 22:57:59 GMT -5
Is Glass bored of retirement? Wait...is she coming back TOO??!?!?!?!!! we can dream
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 16, 2018 0:05:05 GMT -5
So does she make the "A" roster at WC this fall? Wouldn't that be a trip....I would pick Karsta and Drews at this point. Murphy serves better than Drews but Drews is taller and is more of a blocker. Both have about the same crumby hitting percentage. Both would make good back-up's and Karsta would start. Or she will have to wait until next years VNL to be moved up? (a less likely option but I could see Karch waiting it out) Disagree. I’m no Murphy Stan but she’s a level (or two) above Drews.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Jun 16, 2018 0:41:14 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be a trip....I would pick Karsta and Drews at this point. Murphy serves better than Drews but Drews is taller and is more of a blocker. Both have about the same crumby hitting percentage. Both would make good back-up's and Karsta would start. Or she will have to wait until next years VNL to be moved up? (a less likely option but I could see Karch waiting it out) Disagree. I’m no Murphy Stan but she’s a level (or two) above Drews. Who is Murphy Stan?
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Post by coloradokidd on Jun 16, 2018 7:33:33 GMT -5
Thoughts: Some posters want to put a righty on the right, like MBH, so on. This is such a tactical disadvantage. A lefty has more hitting angles available on the right, the setter has to set the ball further for a righty, and a ball travelling farther for a righty gives more time for the block to set up. I disagree in so many ways here. For one, the angles are created by the hitter's angle of approach, not which hand they hit with. And those angles are different if ball is set to different locations. Secondly, that location should be the same for both right and left handers. Again, it's the angle of approach that differs, not set location. I am not sure you understand effective attacking all that well. I'm referencing the angles 'available' to the attacker into the opponents side of the court facing a well formed block on the other side of the net, not the approach of the attacker. A set ball has to travel a path across a righty's body before they make contact. A righty attacker would have to 'adjust in' to maintain the same contact point as the lefty, which would take away their 'down the line' effectiveness. With all of the physical capabilities of 2 players being equal, I would prefer a lefty on the right. * not every USA attacker is Hooker; who could hit over a well-formed Pro block
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Post by coloradokidd on Jun 16, 2018 8:09:02 GMT -5
Thoughts: Drews is currently hitting in the low 90's in her attacks. I think she just needs some more seasoning. Currently I don't see Bartch starting over Hill or Larson against the 'Top Teams'. Her back-court play is a liability, and there is no Robinson type player to fill in like Robinson initially did with Hill. But: With more reps, Hill eventually turned into a very good passer, so I think that MBH will follow the same path by 2020. * It's nice that the USA has enough good players in wich they can vary their starters and rest players between matches.
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Post by sonofdogman on Jun 16, 2018 9:45:55 GMT -5
I disagree in so many ways here. For one, the angles are created by the hitter's angle of approach, not which hand they hit with. And those angles are different if ball is set to different locations. Secondly, that location should be the same for both right and left handers. Again, it's the angle of approach that differs, not set location. I am not sure you understand effective attacking all that well. I'm referencing the angles 'available' to the attacker into the opponents side of the court facing a well formed block on the other side of the net, not the approach of the attacker. A set ball has to travel a path across a righty's body before they make contact. A righty attacker would have to 'adjust in' to maintain the same contact point as the lefty, which would take away their 'down the line' effectiveness. With all of the physical capabilities of 2 players being equal, I would prefer a lefty on the right. * not every USA attacker is Hooker; who could hit over a well-formed Pro block Actually, adjusting in as you call it, MAINTAINS the right-hander's down the line effectiveness. That's why the RH player approaches from the different angle than the LH player. There are also capabilities to execute different armswings like wrist away/inside-out that still maintain power. The physics, geometry, and biomechanics of the situation all agree here. As both a player and a coach, I have experience that supports this. Get in the gym and experiment for yourself and you'll be find this to be true.
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Post by Gilmoy on Jun 16, 2018 13:12:52 GMT -5
I doubt a lefty D has any advantage over a righty.
I think, by now, the whole planet has learned how to hit the right-handed D effectively. (Did we invent this? Timmons turned it from side quest to faction quest )
Even if the set traverses the hitter's body, the hitter has done it her entire career, and thinks it's normal. Actually, the set usually doesn't traverse all the way across, because most good D hitters go to the ball when it's directly overhead. And the setter does not need to change the set in any way. She sets the same thing, and the hitter shall go get it. Again, lefty hitters on the left have been doing this all their lives, and the ones who couldn't were weeded out long ago.
Oddly enough, nobody in the world sets the right-handed A (to the left-back position). And nobody brings in a lefty setter to face the right side and backset the left-handed A (even though they totally should)
I think being "on-hand" (right-handed on the left, and vice versa) helps in creating extreme angles for front-row hitters. On a good set at optimal distance from net (~1 meter), the first lesson in gaming the double-block is that you jump facing seam, so that your ideal, canonical hitting posture with maximal contact height would be the long diagonal. Then you can trade off contact height for arm variations that change your angle: crossbody for steep line, or high-elbow wrist-away for extreme cross. But being 2m+ off the net already turns both of those options into losers. Distance off the net automatically takes away your steep angles, but gives you new angles (because the block subtends a smaller angle ). Nobody hits D and tries the same face-left cut shots they do in the front row: it's less viable than simply going for contact height. So the main advantage of being a lefty on the right has already gone away. Most off-handed hitters (right-handed Ds, lefty OHs) have learned to use extreme torso-twist for bonus power. (See: Wallace) That's one way to turn the inherent structural weakness into a strength: having to spin your torso to bring your hand to the ball also confers the advantage of being able to do so.
Did we set Ds to Lowe as a main option last quad? We ran many bics for her, and she was very good on them (except that one time ). I don't think she has any particular advantage as a lefty OPP hitting Ds: if she's good at it, it's just because she's a good hitter, period.
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Post by memorybankrupt on Jun 16, 2018 16:39:20 GMT -5
I'm glad that we'll have Lowe back. hearing her last year on TNL you could get the sense that she was gonna return to the game. Hopefully she'll keep improving her game. She probably won't ever be a Boskovic level OPP but she's probably the best we got for 2020. Lowe was so dominant in college and showed some good play with the NT. I like Murphy but I think I'm done with her. Too many collapses at the biggest moments.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 16, 2018 17:05:46 GMT -5
For me, blocking leftys on the right side is easier than blocking right handed opposites.
Most of the world's best OPPs have been right handed.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Jun 16, 2018 17:15:14 GMT -5
Who is Charizard?
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Post by ToddyJ on Jun 16, 2018 18:15:00 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be a trip....I would pick Karsta and Drews at this point. Murphy serves better than Drews but Drews is taller and is more of a blocker. Both have about the same crumby hitting percentage. Both would make good back-up's and Karsta would start. Or she will have to wait until next years VNL to be moved up? (a less likely option but I could see Karch waiting it out) Disagree. I’m no Murphy Stan but she’s a level (or two) above Drews. I would honestly flip a coin for which one would make a roster behind Lowe.
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Post by n00b on Jun 16, 2018 19:51:00 GMT -5
Perhaps absence makes the heart grow fonder... Lowe had exactly one good match in Rio. She was GREAT in our loss to Serbia in the semis with 13 kills on 21 swings, hitting .429. Unfortunately, she wasn't even the starter in that match because in the other matches she hit .218 (compared to Murphy's .268). In addition, Lowe had one block for the whole tournament and Murphy is a much better back row defender.
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 16, 2018 19:57:33 GMT -5
It's nice that she will be coming back. I'll get flamed from Bruins fans for saying this, but let's keep things in perspective rather than set up sky high expectations. She's been away from the game for a while, she is likely a little...rusty. She's gonna need some time in the gym to get herself back up to form. We won't be seeing her immediately in the USA uniform just yet, she will have to earn her spot back, probably the earliest we'll be seeing her is...Pan American games?
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Jun 16, 2018 20:30:31 GMT -5
Could there be any resentment from the players who have been there the whole time she was gone? They've been training, working everyday without having to be away from the game to realize they love it. Now Karsta just walks back in and I'm assuming will (eventually) be starting again.
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Post by jwvolley on Jun 16, 2018 20:40:57 GMT -5
It's nice that she will be coming back. I'll get flamed from Bruins fans for saying this, but let's keep things in perspective rather than set up sky high expectations. She's been away from the game for a while, she is likely a little...rusty. She's gonna need some time in the gym to get herself back up to form. We won't be seeing her immediately in the USA uniform just yet, she will have to earn her spot back, probably the earliest we'll be seeing her is...Pan American games? I mean I think she gets a bit of a pass. She was sort of thrown onto the roster really fast and all of a sudden it was rio time. I recall her having errors, which i would attribute to her needing more time. What saves it for me is that I also vividly remember plays where she was set a high ball to bail the team out on some out of system plays. When has Murphy ever been able to score that way? Also has more of an arm. So as far as potential goes I'm a fan
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