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Post by noreaster on Jan 31, 2019 8:38:01 GMT -5
I dont see a mass exodus but another good club for players to have more choices. Atlanta Performance isnt gaining steam what ive seen. That one may die like Atlanta Boom. I agree! Competition is better for the consumer. Monopolies are never good! That depends on what the consumer wants. This isn't like driving prices down on apples (or in this case, peaches). In NJ there were two really good clubs. Coaches got egos and broke off to form their own clubs, the talent got spread way to thin and now they have 6-7 mediocre clubs. Similar thing happened in Northern Virginia with NVVA. If there was a great player, she wouldn't be with enough talent to get to play against other players on her level. No depth, no versatility. The good news is everybody and their mother is on a 1's team! A5 kept nearly all the top players together for a decade or so. They've had a great run. If that 18's team stayed together, under any brand, that's a good thing. But the future for Atlanta volleyball is in doubt. If A5 and TK start to split talent, suddenly they aren't so much better than Tsunami, Prolink and the others, and people start to question the difference in price, and its not long before you have 6-7 mediocre clubs.
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Post by rblackley on Jan 31, 2019 8:38:22 GMT -5
Only time will tell. Maybe Bob is tired and is planning to sell out. He has make Millions to date.
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Post by crug68 on Jan 31, 2019 9:51:59 GMT -5
Probably the most impressive thing I have witnessed was commitment night this year at A5 where almost every player on an 18s team was already committed to a college. As far as I know, there are 28 girls playing on the two 18s teams and only 4 are not committed (two are in the class of 2020). The second most impressive thing I saw was the 1st practice where college coaches were standing around watching and videoing girls; we did not see that at our last club.
There are a lot of clubs to choose from around Atlanta. TK should have great facilities at Lakepoint. But the real driver of sustainability will be the perception of getting girls into college. Parents pay a lot of money and drive them a long way for club because they see it as a ticket for their kids to get to college. If they can build the reputation of getting kids recruited, then they will be very successful.
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Post by itsallrelative on Jan 31, 2019 9:55:46 GMT -5
Only time will tell. Maybe Bob is tired and is planning to sell out. He has make Millions to date. Isn't he coaching their 14s?
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Post by crug68 on Jan 31, 2019 9:57:30 GMT -5
Only time will tell. Maybe Bob is tired and is planning to sell out. He has make Millions to date. Isn't he coaching their 14s? He is coaching the 15-1s team.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jan 31, 2019 10:36:39 GMT -5
Will Lakepointe be TK’s permanent facility? I find that hard to believe.
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Post by volleyloa on Jan 31, 2019 10:50:58 GMT -5
I agree! Competition is better for the consumer. Monopolies are never good! That depends on what the consumer wants. This isn't like driving prices down on apples (or in this case, peaches). In NJ there were two really good clubs. Coaches got egos and broke off to form their own clubs, the talent got spread way to thin and now they have 6-7 mediocre clubs. Similar thing happened in Northern Virginia with NVVA. If there was a great player, she wouldn't be with enough talent to get to play against other players on her level. No depth, no versatility. The good news is everybody and their mother is on a 1's team! A5 kept nearly all the top players together for a decade or so. They've had a great run. If that 18's team stayed together, under any brand, that's a good thing. But the future for Atlanta volleyball is in doubt. If A5 and TK start to split talent, suddenly they aren't so much better than Tsunami, Prolink and the others, and people start to question the difference in price, and its not long before you have 6-7 mediocre clubs. ...NVVA Were they the top club in Northern Virginia, or did they break-off from someone else? I know of the club, just not the DC area clubs, and their politics. What clubs were involved in the dilution? Thanks
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Post by n00b on Jan 31, 2019 11:00:14 GMT -5
That depends on what the consumer wants. This isn't like driving prices down on apples (or in this case, peaches). In NJ there were two really good clubs. Coaches got egos and broke off to form their own clubs, the talent got spread way to thin and now they have 6-7 mediocre clubs. Similar thing happened in Northern Virginia with NVVA. If there was a great player, she wouldn't be with enough talent to get to play against other players on her level. No depth, no versatility. The good news is everybody and their mother is on a 1's team! A5 kept nearly all the top players together for a decade or so. They've had a great run. If that 18's team stayed together, under any brand, that's a good thing. But the future for Atlanta volleyball is in doubt. If A5 and TK start to split talent, suddenly they aren't so much better than Tsunami, Prolink and the others, and people start to question the difference in price, and its not long before you have 6-7 mediocre clubs. ...NVVA Were they the top club in Northern Virginia, or did they break-off from someone else? I know of the club, just not the DC area clubs, and their politics. What clubs were involved in the dilution? Thanks I'd argue that one club (Metro) still has a monopoly on top talent in the DC area.
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Post by jrobinson1906 on Jan 31, 2019 14:24:47 GMT -5
Will Lakepointe be TK’s permanent facility? I find that hard to believe. It will not. They are building a location not too far from A5.
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Post by crug68 on Jan 31, 2019 14:34:30 GMT -5
Will Lakepointe be TK’s permanent facility? I find that hard to believe. It will not. They are building a location not too far from A5. That will make things very interesting.
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Post by transformer on Jan 31, 2019 14:34:56 GMT -5
This has happened all over the place, I can still remember ( 30 years ago) with So cal ( from San Diego to Santa Barbara) had only 10 clubs. now they have over 10 divisions and 16 per division. All of these clubs had started with a split, some make it some dont. Take San Diego Volleyball club, enter Epic, then Wave and Coast. Now Wave and Coast are top dogs and both are really good. Took a while for the talent to build, but honestly these two are really good now. Same will happen in other areas - as long as the sport still grows.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jan 31, 2019 15:07:35 GMT -5
I agree! Competition is better for the consumer. Monopolies are never good! That depends on what the consumer wants. This isn't like driving prices down on apples (or in this case, peaches). In NJ there were two really good clubs. Coaches got egos and broke off to form their own clubs, the talent got spread way to thin and now they have 6-7 mediocre clubs. Similar thing happened in Northern Virginia with NVVA. If there was a great player, she wouldn't be with enough talent to get to play against other players on her level. No depth, no versatility. The good news is everybody and their mother is on a 1's team! A5 kept nearly all the top players together for a decade or so. They've had a great run. If that 18's team stayed together, under any brand, that's a good thing. But the future for Atlanta volleyball is in doubt. If A5 and TK start to split talent, suddenly they aren't so much better than Tsunami, Prolink and the others, and people start to question the difference in price, and its not long before you have 6-7 mediocre clubs. Competition is always better for consumer. Not in all areas but in most of these areas things will improve from competition: 1) court surfaces 2) locations 3) coaching and coaching bedside manner 4) assisting in recruitment 5) player appreciation 6) parent (consumer) appreciation 7) attention to detail 8) Facilities 9)Pricing ]I agree that in the short term practice gym competition could decrease and maybe daddy doesn’t get to brag about a medal in USAv Open and instead has to settle for 15th but that will correct over time. I’m a big A5 fan but competition is good! It always is! This is Merica !
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Post by jrobinson1906 on Jan 31, 2019 15:26:23 GMT -5
As a proud parent of an A5 Alum I will always root for them. I know 1st hand how good of a program they are and the results they can guarantee. I am not privy to all knowledge of the A5/TK split and the background but it is making an immediate impact. How long will it last? Only time will tell.
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Post by deohge on Jan 31, 2019 18:22:36 GMT -5
That depends on what the consumer wants. This isn't like driving prices down on apples (or in this case, peaches). In NJ there were two really good clubs. Coaches got egos and broke off to form their own clubs, the talent got spread way to thin and now they have 6-7 mediocre clubs. Similar thing happened in Northern Virginia with NVVA. If there was a great player, she wouldn't be with enough talent to get to play against other players on her level. No depth, no versatility. The good news is everybody and their mother is on a 1's team! A5 kept nearly all the top players together for a decade or so. They've had a great run. If that 18's team stayed together, under any brand, that's a good thing. But the future for Atlanta volleyball is in doubt. If A5 and TK start to split talent, suddenly they aren't so much better than Tsunami, Prolink and the others, and people start to question the difference in price, and its not long before you have 6-7 mediocre clubs. Competition is always better for consumer. Not in all areas but in most of these areas things will improve from competition: 1) court surfaces 2) locations 3) coaching and coaching bedside manner 4) assisting in recruitment 5) player appreciation 6) parent (consumer) appreciation 7) attention to detail 8) Facilities 9)Pricing ]I agree that in the short term practice gym competition could decrease and maybe daddy doesn’t get to brag about a medal in USAv Open and instead has to settle for 15th but that will correct over time. I’m a big A5 fan but competition is good! It always is! This is Merica ! Amen, competition is what keeps things fresh.
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Post by 642fiddi on Feb 1, 2019 11:27:32 GMT -5
Looks like Atlanta is starting to go through what Socal clubs have been dealing with for years, dilution of talent over a few clubs. Instead of 1 club getting all the good player now they only get some of them. Its a little tougher to be a dominant program nationally
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