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Post by charger0304 on Feb 1, 2019 11:32:05 GMT -5
Looks like Atlanta is starting to go through what Socal clubs have been dealing with for years, dilution of talent over a few clubs. Instead of 1 club getting all the good player now they only get some of them. Its a little tougher to be a dominant program nationally Very early to make that analogy. TK really just pulled one team away from A5, the 17-1 team, and a few players here and there. Other A5 teams remain almost fully intact.
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Post by boh on Feb 1, 2019 12:42:48 GMT -5
Looks like Atlanta is starting to go through what Socal clubs have been dealing with for years, dilution of talent over a few clubs. Instead of 1 club getting all the good player now they only get some of them. Its a little tougher to be a dominant program nationally I feel like this is true in most well populated areas. Not sure why it took so long for it to happen in Atlanta when it is obvious there is talent there with how good A5 has been. Chicago area has probably 5-8 clubs that compete well (depending on year, age group etc), I cannot imagine what a club with all the top talent within those clubs would look like in one club.
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Post by crug68 on Feb 1, 2019 13:21:48 GMT -5
Looks like Atlanta is starting to go through what Socal clubs have been dealing with for years, dilution of talent over a few clubs. Instead of 1 club getting all the good player now they only get some of them. Its a little tougher to be a dominant program nationally I feel like this is true in most well populated areas. Not sure why it took so long for it to happen in Atlanta when it is obvious there is talent there with how good A5 has been. Chicago area has probably 5-8 clubs that compete well (depending on year, age group etc), I cannot imagine what a club with all the top talent within those clubs would look like in one club. When we 1st started to look for a club for my daughter, one of the things that was mentioned was that most clubs don't last 5 years. From my understanding, competitive junior volleyball is somewhat young in Atlanta. I think A5 will be having their 15th birthday soon. Tsunami says that they are the 2nd oldest club; I think NAVC started in '91 and I guess they got the title when Atlanta Boom folded into Atlanta Performance. Several new clubs have started in the past couple of years (mostly in the suburbs). There will always be some sort of stratification of levels in Club. From my limited observation, successful clubs find a mix of development and member recruitment; A5 seems to have a great mix of both. TK is off to a great start this year. For them to continue, they will need to find sustainability that will come from development. Since this current crop of 18s athletes will have a very short time with the new club, the key for their success with come from how they develop the younger ladies. I see that they do not have any teams at the 16s level, so they will also need to do a ton of recruitment too.
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Post by volleyballcrazy on Feb 2, 2019 10:27:58 GMT -5
Will Lakepointe be TK’s permanent facility? I find that hard to believe.
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Post by volleyballcrazy on Feb 2, 2019 10:32:54 GMT -5
According to the TK website, they have secured 30,000 square feet of space maybe 15 minutes from A5 gym. A5 only has 20,000 sq ft and their facility is over 20 years old. People who have gone to TK love it and are talking it up. Should be fun to watch what happens.
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Post by crug68 on Feb 2, 2019 11:09:17 GMT -5
I think I have heard that A5 is also looking for new space; their normal gym is cramped and some of their practices are at the Cooler. GA5's space is ideal, but I don't know how the economics work there or how practice works with basketball in season. If TK comes into the Alpharetta/Roswell area, then it will make for an interesting situation. A5 seems to have a monopoly on the Marist and Blessed Trinity HS kids (used to have the Walton HS kids too). There is an abundance of talent in the area. I could not believe how many talented girls did not make an A5 team this year.
I can see people who left for TK loving it. You almost always leave a club for some reason and sometimes recruiting is a big part of the reason. Young girls want to be wanted. One of the parents at our former club said that they left because their daughter did not get a call from the new coach as he was recruiting others to the team, so they left too.
A5 is considered the gold standard. For TK to be successful, they will need to show that they can develop and get kids recruited. I imagine that most of the former A5-18s kids at TK were already committed before joining TK. However, TK will get "credit" for their college placement. The question is will they be able to parley that initial success into long term viability.
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Post by n00b on Feb 2, 2019 13:34:24 GMT -5
Looks like Atlanta is starting to go through what Socal clubs have been dealing with for years, dilution of talent over a few clubs. Instead of 1 club getting all the good player now they only get some of them. Its a little tougher to be a dominant program nationally I feel like this is true in most well populated areas. Not sure why it took so long for it to happen in Atlanta when it is obvious there is talent there with how good A5 has been. Chicago area has probably 5-8 clubs that compete well (depending on year, age group etc), I cannot imagine what a club with all the top talent within those clubs would look like in one club. It looks like TAV. Regarding what’s going on in Atlanta, let us not forget that almost the same exact thing happened in Dallas a few years back. Several TAV starters made the jump to Drive Nation for their 18s year. There were rumors that DN was even trying to steal Ping. A couple years later, TAV still rules the roost and Drive Nation is probably in the 3rd tier of Dallas clubs.
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Post by vbjustice on Feb 2, 2019 14:17:37 GMT -5
I think I have heard that A5 is also looking for new space; their normal gym is cramped and some of their practices are at the Cooler. GA5's space is ideal, but I don't know how the economics work there or how practice works with basketball in season. If TK comes into the Alpharetta/Roswell area, then it will make for an interesting situation. A5 seems to have a monopoly on the Marist and Blessed Trinity HS kids (used to have the Walton HS kids too). There is an abundance of talent in the area. I could not believe how many talented girls did not make an A5 team this year. I can see people who left for TK loving it. You almost always leave a club for some reason and sometimes recruiting is a big part of the reason. Young girls want to be wanted. One of the parents at our former club said that they left because their daughter did not get a call from the new coach as he was recruiting others to the team, so they left too. A5 is considered the gold standard. For TK to be successful, they will need to show that they can develop and get kids recruited. I imagine that most of the former A5-18s kids at TK were already committed before joining TK. However, TK will get "credit" for their college placement. The question is will they be able to parley that initial success into long term viability. For those talented girls that didn’t make the A5 teams this year, where did they ulitimately land?
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Post by stevehorn on Feb 2, 2019 15:29:15 GMT -5
I feel like this is true in most well populated areas. Not sure why it took so long for it to happen in Atlanta when it is obvious there is talent there with how good A5 has been. Chicago area has probably 5-8 clubs that compete well (depending on year, age group etc), I cannot imagine what a club with all the top talent within those clubs would look like in one club. It looks like TAV. Regarding what’s going on in Atlanta, let us not forget that almost the same exact thing happened in Dallas a few years back. Several TAV starters made the jump to Drive Nation for their 18s year. There were rumors that DN was even trying to steal Ping. A couple years later, TAV still rules the roost and Drive Nation is probably in the 3rd tier of Dallas clubs. What you are referencing with Drive Nation just occurred last spring which was Drive Nation's first year (so this year is just their 2nd). The primary driver of that 18s team was that Asjia O'Neal moved from TAV to Drive Nation for 18s since Drive Nation is owned by her father (former NBA player Jermaine O'Neal).
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Post by silversurfer on Feb 2, 2019 15:52:42 GMT -5
I feel like this is true in most well populated areas. Not sure why it took so long for it to happen in Atlanta when it is obvious there is talent there with how good A5 has been. Chicago area has probably 5-8 clubs that compete well (depending on year, age group etc), I cannot imagine what a club with all the top talent within those clubs would look like in one club. It looks like TAV. Regarding what’s going on in Atlanta, let us not forget that almost the same exact thing happened in Dallas a few years back. Several TAV starters made the jump to Drive Nation for their 18s year. There were rumors that DN was even trying to steal Ping. A couple years later, TAV still rules the roost and Drive Nation is probably in the 3rd tier of Dallas clubs. Actually, there is,still a lot of top talent that plays for the other Dallas clubs. It’s just that TAV has most of it.
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Post by Word on Feb 3, 2019 0:59:08 GMT -5
I'm a SoCal guy, and I was trying to imagine what an All Star SoCal team would look like (with driving distances in reason). Its funny we make a big deal about TAV and A5 and such, but if SoCal didn't dilute talent, would be crazy to see how good of teams they would have. A5 has been so solid, bummed if it starts to dilute.
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Post by southeastvbfan on Feb 3, 2019 7:44:40 GMT -5
I don’t think TK will last more than three years. Yes they have been successful so far...in one age group. That 18s team basically consists of all the A5 girls who were always successful in that age group...so you would think whatever club they play for their final season the team will perform well. What is more concerning for TK is that none of the top talent in the younger age groups moved from A5...and that includes the Walton stars who are already committed. I honestly was surprised to see that. After this season will be the real test for the club because their golden team will be gone and if the teams stay the same you will just have another Second tier Atlanta club.
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Post by n00b on Feb 3, 2019 10:56:22 GMT -5
I'm a SoCal guy, and I was trying to imagine what an All Star SoCal team would look like (with driving distances in reason). Its funny we make a big deal about TAV and A5 and such, but if SoCal didn't dilute talent, would be crazy to see how good of teams they would have. A5 has been so solid, bummed if it starts to dilute. I didn't realize how bad it had become in SoCal. The top six Senior Aces in southern California all play for different clubs. To be fair, that is a somewhat large geographic area and I wouldn't expect kids from northern LA to be on teams with kids from San Diego, but for all six of those kids to be on different teams boggles the mind. In total, the 15 SoCal Senior Aces represent 11 clubs. Sunshine has 3 while Coast and Wave have 2 each.
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Post by crug68 on Feb 4, 2019 9:06:49 GMT -5
I think I have heard that A5 is also looking for new space; their normal gym is cramped and some of their practices are at the Cooler. GA5's space is ideal, but I don't know how the economics work there or how practice works with basketball in season. If TK comes into the Alpharetta/Roswell area, then it will make for an interesting situation. A5 seems to have a monopoly on the Marist and Blessed Trinity HS kids (used to have the Walton HS kids too). There is an abundance of talent in the area. I could not believe how many talented girls did not make an A5 team this year. I can see people who left for TK loving it. You almost always leave a club for some reason and sometimes recruiting is a big part of the reason. Young girls want to be wanted. One of the parents at our former club said that they left because their daughter did not get a call from the new coach as he was recruiting others to the team, so they left too. A5 is considered the gold standard. For TK to be successful, they will need to show that they can develop and get kids recruited. I imagine that most of the former A5-18s kids at TK were already committed before joining TK. However, TK will get "credit" for their college placement. The question is will they be able to parley that initial success into long term viability. For those talented girls that didn’t make the A5 teams this year, where did they ulitimately land? I only knew two of the girls personally. One went to Tsunami (new club for them) and the other went back to NAVC. There were some kids there that probably went back to the club they came from. In the case of my daughter, she tried out for several clubs just in case she did not make a team at A5 (I was actually surprised when she made a team).
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Post by crug68 on Feb 4, 2019 9:13:04 GMT -5
I'm a SoCal guy, and I was trying to imagine what an All Star SoCal team would look like (with driving distances in reason). Its funny we make a big deal about TAV and A5 and such, but if SoCal didn't dilute talent, would be crazy to see how good of teams they would have. A5 has been so solid, bummed if it starts to dilute. I used to live in SoCal so I can relate to the fact that it can take forever to get somewhere. The thing about A5 is that the kids do travel. We have 1 girl on the team that lives 2 hours away from the club. Several others live an hour away. We live 50 minutes from the club. There are several kids in the club that are South of Atlanta and drive by A5 South to get to A5. We drive by GA5 to get to A5. I don't know the culture in SoCal, but A5 is on such a higher level, parents and kids make the sacrifice to go there.
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