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Post by tomclen on Jul 25, 2018 21:35:36 GMT -5
If USC had hired an AD with some real AD and managerial experience, this likely would not have happened.
But instead, they were jock-sniffers and wanted to hire a big name athlete to woo more loot from the fat cats. (Not that there's anything wrong with jock-sniffing fat cats.)
A manager with people skills would have come up with a solution that allows Mick to save face. The people 'above' Mick in the chain of command in the athletic department are not why anyone is watching volleyball. They are meaningless paper-shuffling middle managers. People go to games to see the athletes perform and because of personalities like JMac and John Cook and Russ Rose and, yes, Mick Haley.
Like him or not, the guy had star-power and was more successful than 90% of D1 VB coaches. A good manager would understand that and not screw the pooch. But the people above Haley and the AD all allowed their massive egos to take priority.
Was Mick a pain-in-the-ass to manage? Probably. You think managing John Cook or Nick Saban is a walk in the park?
They could have pampered Mick and given him a one-year extension and some fancy title beyond that and had a Mick-Haley-day during a key match.
Instead they face-planted into a PR blunder and, more importantly, they're likely to waste several hundred thousand dollars in legal expenses.
'Swannie" was a Steelers superstar. I guess he was also a USC BMOC. But, as a manager, it seems like he doesn't know how to navigate even mildly choppy waters.
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Post by Fight On! on Jul 25, 2018 21:37:51 GMT -5
What's the chance that bigfan is actually the Volleytalk username of Mick Haley? Very high.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 25, 2018 22:03:10 GMT -5
I doubt USC settles this. For one thing, to do so might taint the legitimacy of their hire and they'll be reluctant to do that to the new coach. It would also taint their SWA and she's not going to agree to that. Also, this is a minor public relations issue compared to the ones involving students being examined and drug abusing Deans. Lastly, Mick filed for arbitration, and not as a civil lawsuit, which is not the preferred venue for bringing attention to the allegations, or for obtaining a large verdict or settlement. What you said makes sense, but do they care? They will think that it is just volleyball and they can get someone off the street, even though the hiring process took a lot longer than they thought. As for the SWA, what do they care?
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Post by memorybankrupt on Jul 25, 2018 22:22:54 GMT -5
So Mick should just get his contract renewed and have the job until he feels like quitting because the USC administration was possibly negligent in a matter completely unrelated to the volleyball program? WhAT ABOUT THE WASHINGTON FOOTBALL COACH THAT WAS UNLOADED ON USC WHO HAS SERIOUS ISSUES? Foisted!
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Post by memorybankrupt on Jul 25, 2018 22:26:14 GMT -5
What's the chance that bigfan is actually the Volleytalk username of Mick Haley? He is almost 75. Can he even use a computer? Edit: I say this with love. I actually like Mick and have a lot of respect for him. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him since he coached 10 to 15 years longer (older) than his hall of fame peers. The school didn't fire him, they decided not to sign another 5 year contract for him to coach until he is 80. At some point USC must have the right to change coaches. It can't be entirely up to the coach. I agree. I have lots of respect for Mick Haley. I'll miss old school coaches that tell it like it is. But I think Mick is in the wrong here. The school has every right not to renew his contract.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 25, 2018 22:31:00 GMT -5
You mean the guy who cheated on his wife, drank himself senseless, tried to blame everyone but himself for his problems, and oh yeah, lost his $30 million dollar wrongful termination claim against USC? ok, what about him? Washington unloaded him on USC. USC did not do due diligence on him which indicates USC the administration is inept but will fire one of the best volleyball coachs in the history of the sport for no reason. Washington didn't "unload" him; USC recruited him away from Washington. Turned out great for the Huskies, though, because they were then able to recruit Chris Peterson away from Boise State as the replacement.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 25, 2018 22:33:28 GMT -5
The school has every right not to renew his contract. That is a matter of law that varies widely from state to state.
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Post by trainermch on Jul 25, 2018 23:02:35 GMT -5
He is almost 75. Can he even use a computer? Edit: I say this with love. I actually like Mick and have a lot of respect for him. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him since he coached 10 to 15 years longer (older) than his hall of fame peers. The school didn't fire him, they decided not to sign another 5 year contract for him to coach until he is 80. At some point USC must have the right to change coaches. It can't be entirely up to the coach. I agree. I have lots of respect for Mick Haley. I'll miss old school coaches that tell it like it is. But I think Mick is in the wrong here. The school has every right not to renew his contract. Not if the decision was age-related.
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Post by luckydawg on Jul 25, 2018 23:18:44 GMT -5
So Mick should just get his contract renewed and have the job until he feels like quitting because the USC administration was possibly negligent in a matter completely unrelated to the volleyball program? WhAT ABOUT THE WASHINGTON FOOTBALL COACH THAT WAS UNLOADED ON USC WHO HAS SERIOUS ISSUES? You mean the coach who signed with USC while he was still under contract at Washington? The one who on Friday night told his players he would never leave UW? The same guy who went on Seattle radio Monday morning to deny reports he had taken the USC job, even as SC was announcing their new hire? Is that the guy you think UW "unloaded"? And his personal issues were well known at USC, because that's where Sark was OC before coming to Washington.
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Post by huskerjen on Jul 25, 2018 23:50:49 GMT -5
WhAT ABOUT THE WASHINGTON FOOTBALL COACH THAT WAS UNLOADED ON USC WHO HAS SERIOUS ISSUES? Foisted! I was just lampin' over here and come across possibly the best VolleyTalk comment ever. Bravo.
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Post by internationalball on Jul 26, 2018 1:35:20 GMT -5
I'm rooting for Mick.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 26, 2018 1:53:46 GMT -5
Mick was great at developing athletes.
The one thing I will miss about Mick is rarely was USC EVER unprepared. He always had a gameplan, was a great strategist. Some times he didn't make adjustments as quickly and was afraid to change his system at times, but one can't argue the success he had at USC.
His last hurrah was an extraordinary effort at Florida. He targeted Knop on serve receive (especially deep) and gave Florida all sorts of trouble. He let Florida do their thing in the middle - and decided to take the Loss on the big power hit but make sure to get all of the "waffles and tips". He had Florida's hitting tendancies charted perfectly (USC defense didn't just appear out of no-where that match). Snyder was completely irrelevant until late (IIRC this only happened when Abercrombie didn't get lined up against Snyder).
I don't see how anyone could have done more with USC than Mick did last year. I think the USC administration was scared when he was one point away from the Final Four. They couldn't have really terminated him, could they? Margins soooo thin. He'll be missed.
And despite Mick not getting Abercrombie the chances she deserved her freshman year, Brittany was very emotional and grateful talking about Mick in her senior speech. She said something about how he pushed her farther than she ever thought she could go, and how he created an elite program at this university. I think part of that was said due to his firing and felt a need to give him some props.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jul 26, 2018 3:52:18 GMT -5
What's the chance that bigfan is actually the Volleytalk username of Mick Haley? He is almost 75. Can he even use a computer? ... My mom is roughly that age and she uses: 1. Apple iMac 2. PC 3. iPad 4. iPod 5. DVD player What she CAANOT seem to understand is that when we FaceTime each other, she has no awareness of the camera. All I can see is her right earlobe. I told her where the camera is and where it's pointing and the little pic-in-pic on the upper left corner of her screen that indicates what I see, but she just doesn't get it. It's really quite amazing.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 26, 2018 3:57:19 GMT -5
These quotes are from the LA Times article.
"In the statement, Ludmer alleged that Donna Heinel, USC’s senior associate athletic director, “personally engaged in a campaign to unlawfully harass Haley due to his age.
The statement said USC “marginalized, demeaned and discriminated” against the coach and he suffered unspecified retaliation after complaining to Swann, Heinel and the school’s diversity and equity office.
The 15-count complaint seeks $2 million in addition to punitive damages and attorneys’ fees.
Haley’s contract included a provision sending most disputes to arbitration rather than court."
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 26, 2018 4:11:06 GMT -5
Mick was great at developing athletes. The one thing I will miss about Mick is rarely was USC EVER unprepared. He always had a gameplan, was a great strategist. Some times he didn't make adjustments as quickly and was afraid to change his system at times, but one can't argue the success he had at USC. His last hurrah was an extraordinary effort at Florida. He targeted Knop on serve receive (especially deep) and gave Florida all sorts of trouble. He let Florida do their thing in the middle - and decided to take the Loss on the big power hit but make sure to get all of the "waffles and tips". He had Florida's hitting tendancies charted perfectly (USC defense didn't just appear out of no-where that match). Snyder was completely irrelevant until late (IIRC this only happened when Abercrombie didn't get lined up against Snyder). I don't see how anyone could have done more with USC than Mick did last year. I think the USC administration was scared when he was one point away from the Final Four. They couldn't have really terminated him, could they? Margins soooo thin. He'll be missed. And despite Mick not getting Abercrombie the chances she deserved her freshman year, Brittany was very emotional and grateful talking about Mick in her senior speech. She said something about how he pushed her farther than she ever thought she could go, and how he created an elite program at this university. I think part of that was said due to his firing and felt a need to give him some props. I don't think anyone disputes that Haley is a great vb coach, I know I certainly don't. But personal feelings aside, I think that if the administration doesn't want Haley to be the VB coach anymore, they should be able to get a new coach with all of the backlash. Mick Haley does not have an indefinite right to that job. I'm not saying that administration made the right choice in firing him, I frankly couldn't care less, what I'm saying is that I support the administrations ability to make a change as it sees fit. I mean if we really want to be believe that he was fired BECAUSE he was 74 years old, fine, run with it..... but from the outside looking in I think he sees many of his vb peers retiring from their institutions with dignity and he feels butt hurt that he doesn't get to go out the same way.
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