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Post by relvy34 on Oct 3, 2019 21:15:28 GMT -5
Normally i would agree but i would be careful to completely disregard the east coast this year, especially given a very talented florida class that if a "super team" is created they could be very legit. In order to make a "super team" you need skilled volleyball players. The only blue chipper on the entire east coast is Sani, and Hoyos is the exact same player he was as a sophomore Really bold statement there. I think Jacob Pasteur, Joe Deluzio(who was on the youth team), omar, Nate wilson, Tre cole, and Andersen fuller who all argue against that statement. Focusing specifically on Florida you also have Micheal valenzi(a1 red), Trevor Schultz( a1 white (not sure here on which team) ), and deluzio and hoyos. Hard to say all those guys on one team wouldn't be competitive.
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Post by xxxnoscope72xxx on Oct 4, 2019 8:49:15 GMT -5
In order to make a "super team" you need skilled volleyball players. The only blue chipper on the entire east coast is Sani, and Hoyos is the exact same player he was as a sophomore Really bold statement there. I think Jacob Pasteur, Joe Deluzio(who was on the youth team), omar, Nate wilson, Tre cole, and Andersen fuller who all argue against that statement. Focusing specifically on Florida you also have Micheal valenzi(a1 red), Trevor Schultz( a1 white (not sure here on which team) ), and deluzio and hoyos. Hard to say all those guys on one team wouldn't be competitive. I haven't heard of half the kids you're mentioning, and using high performance as an indicator of a good player is a very east coast thing to do. Anyone with half a brain realizes that HP is just a cash grab and they'll take money from anyone willing to give it to them.
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Post by vball1818 on Oct 4, 2019 9:53:39 GMT -5
LIVBC's top OH Nick Amoruso (in prior years he played MH all the way around) graduated, so that will impact their team's competitiveness this year. He went to UCSB. That LIVBC team was full of "late birthdays " who graduated as seniors last year. Having seen the YT 18s tryout they have a higher ceiling than years past. Richards going to Springfield is an absolute coup for Charlie and problem for the rest of us in Division III Two players had fall birthdays and given the fact that Long Island's age cutoff for school is Dec and not Sept like the rest of the country, not such a big deal.
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Post by volleydaddy on Oct 4, 2019 11:48:41 GMT -5
My money is on yorktowne, MVP academy (as long as joe deluzio and omar hoyos stay), and whatever club Francesco sani ends up on being the 3 top teams on the East coast at 18s this year. The top 3 east coast teams wouldn't even be top 15 in scva sad but true. west coast has dominated JO's for as long as I can remember. of course, there are some outliers here and there, but overall there just really isn't as good as a volleyball circuit in the east as there is in the west. no real competition nor competitors. also I don't understand why some are using HP as validation of being a good player? It's kinda sad they don't know HP will pretty much take anyone willing to pay
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Post by teamjess on Oct 4, 2019 12:11:55 GMT -5
The top 3 east coast teams wouldn't even be top 15 in scva sad but true. west coast has dominated JO's for as long as I can remember. of course, there are some outliers here and there, but overall there just really isn't as good as a volleyball circuit in the east as there is in the west. no real competition nor competitors. also I don't understand why some are using HP as validation of being a good player? It's kinda sad they don't know HP will pretty much take anyone willing to play Then why is it that not all players are invited to participate in HP? HP Red/white has historically had the top recruits from all areas of the country.
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Post by volleydaddy on Oct 4, 2019 12:20:04 GMT -5
sad but true. west coast has dominated JO's for as long as I can remember. of course, there are some outliers here and there, but overall there just really isn't as good as a volleyball circuit in the east as there is in the west. no real competition nor competitors. also I don't understand why some are using HP as validation of being a good player? It's kinda sad they don't know HP will pretty much take anyone willing to play Then why is it that not all players are invited to participate in HP? HP Red/white has historically had the top recruits from all areas of the country. you still have to pay, invited or not. If you don't you're off. Historically, there have been several top recruits that simply didn't participate because of the cost not because they were or weren't invited
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Post by teamjess on Oct 4, 2019 12:26:22 GMT -5
Then why is it that not all players are invited to participate in HP? HP Red/white has historically had the top recruits from all areas of the country. you still have to pay, invited or not. If you don't you're off. Historically, there have been several top recruits that simply didn't participate because of the cost not because they were or weren't invited Oh yeah - that is absolutely correct. BUT that was not my point, my point was - a player being on HP A1 (especially red/white) is a fairly good indication of the player's skill.
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Post by volleydaddy on Oct 4, 2019 12:38:52 GMT -5
you still have to pay, invited or not. If you don't you're off. Historically, there have been several top recruits that simply didn't participate because of the cost not because they were or weren't invited Oh yeah - that is absolutely correct. BUT that was not my point, my point was - a player being on HP A1 (especially red/white) is a fairly good indication of the player's skill. sorry about that, you are right about being a part of A1 is a sign you're really good
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Post by bealzabubba on Oct 4, 2019 14:46:23 GMT -5
It's kinda sad they don't know HP will pretty much take anyone willing to pay This is inaccurate, at least for the past two years. I know several several "good" (if not elite) players that were not even offered wait list for A3. Are those boys D1 prospects? Probably not (you never know, b/c growth). I do agree that just because a boy makes HP doesn't make them automatically "very good," (outside A1 R/W, which I think are valid indicators, but not definitive) But it still is the case that far more boys try out than are accepted, so no, just because you're willing to pay doesn't mean you get to go to HP. ETA:As an aside, last spring, I did a breakdown of HP rosters for select (by grad year / level, position /level, and region / level) - you can find that here: volleytalk.proboards.com/post/2078264/threadI don't have access to the #'s of kids that tried out, so that's not directly on point to this issue; you may find it interesting nonetheless (or...not.) Finally, and FWIW - HP is a fantastic experience. If a boy is selected, and "you" can afford it, do it. Not because it means he's a sure fire D1 recruit, but because he'll have a unique experience.
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Post by xxxnoscope72xxx on Oct 4, 2019 22:27:58 GMT -5
you still have to pay, invited or not. If you don't you're off. Historically, there have been several top recruits that simply didn't participate because of the cost not because they were or weren't invited Oh yeah - that is absolutely correct. BUT that was not my point, my point was - a player being on HP A1 (especially red/white) is a fairly good indication of the player's skill. Did you see the red and white A1 teams this year in the oldest division? After seeing the red team play, I can think o fat least 10 teams in the 18s and 3 teams in 17s which could beat them 9/10 times.
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Post by teamjess on Oct 4, 2019 22:57:15 GMT -5
Oh yeah - that is absolutely correct. BUT that was not my point, my point was - a player being on HP A1 (especially red/white) is a fairly good indication of the player's skill. Did you see the red and white A1 teams this year in the oldest division? After seeing the red team play, I can think o fat least 10 teams in the 18s and 3 teams in 17s which could beat them 9/10 times. I would hope so. There is something to be said about training together as a team for months vs 4 days. Plus this years teams were unusual due to the BYNTT also fielding teams. Most of those Red and White guys are headed to D1 schools though.
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Post by CoastalVB on Oct 5, 2019 2:14:22 GMT -5
Did you see the red and white A1 teams this year in the oldest division? After seeing the red team play, I can think o fat least 10 teams in the 18s and 3 teams in 17s which could beat them 9/10 times. I would hope so. There is something to be said about training together as a team for months vs 4 days. Plus this years teams were unusual due to the BYNTT also fielding teams. Most of those Red and White guys are headed to D1 schools though. The top 36 players in 18s this past summer weren’t on A1. They were on the BYNTT and the SCVA team.
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Post by xxxnoscope72xxx on Oct 5, 2019 4:25:35 GMT -5
Did you see the red and white A1 teams this year in the oldest division? After seeing the red team play, I can think o fat least 10 teams in the 18s and 3 teams in 17s which could beat them 9/10 times. I would hope so. There is something to be said about training together as a team for months vs 4 days. Plus this years teams were unusual due to the BYNTT also fielding teams. Most of those Red and White guys are headed to D1 schools though. I would hope so as well, however the fact still remains that there were no pins which could contribute at a D1 school any time within the next 5 years.
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 9, 2019 6:26:13 GMT -5
I would hope so as well, however the fact still remains that there were no pins which could contribute at a D1 school any time within the next 5 years. This is a complete joke, right? I've seen multiple athletes perform greatly in the 14s and 15s divisions. The future for D1 schools is bright in 2022 and 2023. I haven't seen outsides like the ones I've seen in the younger graduation class in years. John Higgs is an outstanding player with the heaviest arm in the class of 2023, and he could probably outplay most of the players in class of 2020. Just wait and see what I'm talking about when Seaside 15s win gold this year. I even heard John Higgs is getting looks from huge schools like UCLA and Long Beach, without even playing in a high school game yet. I wouldn’t take too much care into anything negative anyone says about the younger class of athletes and their ability to play at a higher level. It’s Boys Volleyball, it’s absolutely FOOLISH to try and predict the ceiling of 14s-16s, Hell even at the 17s-18s level some of these skinny kids have just never been exposed to a solid diet and training program for building muscle. This sport is notorious for its noodle armed and twig legged stars.
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Post by westcoastbias on Oct 9, 2019 12:18:35 GMT -5
This is a complete joke, right? I've seen multiple athletes perform greatly in the 14s and 15s divisions. The future for D1 schools is bright in 2022 and 2023. I haven't seen outsides like the ones I've seen in the younger graduation class in years. John Higgs is an outstanding player with the heaviest arm in the class of 2023, and he could probably outplay most of the players in class of 2020. Just wait and see what I'm talking about when Seaside 15s win gold this year. I even heard John Higgs is getting looks from huge schools like UCLA and Long Beach, without even playing in a high school game yet. I wouldn’t take too much care into anything negative anyone says about the younger class of athletes and their ability to play at a higher level. It’s Boys Volleyball, it’s absolutely FOOLISH to try and predict the ceiling of 14s-16s, Hell even at the 17s-18s level some of these skinny kids have just never been exposed to a solid diet and training program for building muscle. This sport is notorious for its noodle armed and twig legged stars. Unfortunately, lots of trolling on this board lately - not even sure what to take seriously... Seaside 15s wins gold this year?? Maybe in Club Division.
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