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Post by noblesol on Aug 24, 2019 4:12:44 GMT -5
Re height: - Hellvig: listed: 6'2"; observed: a solid 6'3"+ - Williams: listed: 6'1"; observed: a solid 6'2"+ - Akana: listed: 6'0'; observed: 5'11"
The rest look to be about as listed.
Yeah, I think Europeans tend to measure accurately while we here round up an inch or so. I think even Riley looks under 6'0". I thought Riley could be a smidge under 6' but if so it's just fractional. She's in good shape but I think she can get stronger. When she does she'll fit well in the 6' to 6'1" tier.
Akana is definitely under 6', yet she can play big and compares well to the 6' - 6'1" tier.
Hannah is obviously a longer 6'3"+, but she can dig and pass in the backrow like a more compact girl. So maybe 6'2" is a good comparable tier.
I don't know why they insist that Williams is at 6'1". She's a good 1.5" taller, and can play like it.
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Post by kaipono on Aug 24, 2019 4:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by kaipono on Aug 24, 2019 4:24:55 GMT -5
Gives me hope that we can beat Washington. We gotta beat San Diego and St. John's first!
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Post by raian13 on Aug 24, 2019 4:30:21 GMT -5
Sky looks to be the same height as Jolie at 6’2. Tiffany looks to be the tallest among the freshmen. So either she’s 6’3 or 6’4 and Hanna is 6’3. Riley and Braelyn look short compared to the three, maybe 5’11?
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Post by noblesol on Aug 24, 2019 4:41:34 GMT -5
Sky looks to be the same height as Jolie at 6’2. Tiffany looks to be the tallest among the freshmen. So either she’s 6’3 or 6’4 and Hanna is 6’3. Riley and Braelyn look short compared to the three, maybe 5’11? You can't tell by looking at photos from the waist up. Generally, you can't use a photo unless you have a benchmark in the photo and you can see the whole profile top to bottom against the benchmark. My guesstimates are from being in the gym with them, and using my known height and height of eye to judge comparisons.
Height comparisons within an inch or two are pretty insignificant. Strength, athleticism, quickness, explosiveness, hand-eye coordination, conditioning, experience, attitude, fight, and VBIQ are all more significant and never listed anywhere on a roster sheet.
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Post by dd2000 on Aug 24, 2019 10:19:52 GMT -5
For those of you that have seen the Wahine in action this summer, how would you assess the serve part of the game? I've seen clips of BVS serving and she is good. Jolie seems to have a decent jump float. We all know Bailey and Noreen can serve tough. What about the rest? Anyone that can bomb away behind the service line the way Nikki Taylor did?
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 10:22:20 GMT -5
The set score results were kind of meaningless. It was a scrimmage and there were a lot of players switching sides and positions. No one was tracking rotation errors. All of the freshmen at times looked impressive, but in different roles. Wagoner started as a libero and was easily the best of them in the backrow, but the other freshmen are ahead of her in the front row. Westerberg looked good enough to start at either MH or Opp. Hellvig was good enough in the backrow to start at six rotation OH2, or Opp. Akana played well at OH, Opp, and MH, and seemed to get stronger the longer they played; probably doesn't start but could easily see the court if someone gets the hook. Igiede was strong at MB, still a little raw, but way ahead of where I thought she'd be, and she is a contender to start. At setter, I don't think we will see Iosia hit at Opp this year. Just too many good hitters on this team. Iosia was serving bullets, but Choy's serve was good too. Iosia I thought had a better connection with the pins, Choy with the middles, but it might have been more a function of the passing. I think Iosia gets the nod, she's the stronger of the two in the front row, but Choy at times looked damned good. Don't know who will have the most minutes when the season is over. It's an interesting battle and the team benefits. BVB, Ross, Sibley, all looked good. BVB looked good most of the scrimmage, especially early, but maybe faded a bit toward the end. Both Ross and Sibley have improved all around. At times Ross looked liked the best option at OH2, at times BVB. Sibley is definitely in the hunt to play more time at Opp this year, and she could start. JR I thought was pacing herself a bit, nursing some taped fingers, and she got called out for it at one point when she didn't attack an out of system ball. I think the obvious OH1 still. She'll benefit from end of double days. Okino might be ahead of Hanawahine at libero, it's close. Okino is taped up, looks to be nursing a groin is my guess, but doesn't appear to slow her down. Wagoner at libero is a possibility. Gong looks ready to pick up where she left off last year. Williams looks a bit more offensive minded, and was connecting on the slide. Krug is still in a brace, but is moving good at the net and was effective. After 90 minutes, I still don't know who will start next Friday. It is very competitive. The freshman can play, and at least a couple of them could start. Three surprises from your observations: 1. Wagoner is a contender at libero, 2. Okino is ahead of Hanawahine, and 3. Ross and Sibley are contenders to start. The rest were not surprising, especially Iosia better with OHs while Choy better with middles. Iosia has never looked good setting the middles in her career at UH. I don't think Wagoner is a surprise. Every school looking at her, except Hawai'i, was looking at her as a back row player.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 10:36:12 GMT -5
Three surprises from your observations: 1. Wagoner is a contender at libero, 2. Okino is ahead of Hanawahine, and 3. Ross and Sibley are contenders to start. The rest were not surprising, especially Iosia better with OHs while Choy better with middles. Iosia has never looked good setting the middles in her career at UH. I don't think Wagoner is a surprise. Every school looking at her, except Hawai'i, was looking at her as a back row player. Well, I knew this already but Wagoner specifically wanted to come to Hawaii because she said the coaches offered her a chance to hit and not play backrow exclusively. It’s not a surprise she had the skills but it’s a surprise that she’s contending for the libero jersey which goes against her reasons for coming to Hawaii.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 10:46:16 GMT -5
I don't think Wagoner is a surprise. Every school looking at her, except Hawai'i, was looking at her as a back row player. Well, I knew this already but Wagoner specifically wanted to come to Hawaii because she said the coaches offered her a chance to hit and not play backrow exclusively. It’s not a surprise she had the skills but it’s a surprise that she’s contending for the libero jersey which goes against her reasons for coming to Hawaii. But it doesn't go against reality. At the time of that offer, Rasmussen and Van Sickle probably weren't committed yet, so the possibilities seemed greater.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 10:53:17 GMT -5
Well, I knew this already but Wagoner specifically wanted to come to Hawaii because she said the coaches offered her a chance to hit and not play backrow exclusively. It’s not a surprise she had the skills but it’s a surprise that she’s contending for the libero jersey which goes against her reasons for coming to Hawaii. But it doesn't go against reality. At the time of that offer, Rasmussen and Van Sickle probably weren't committed yet, so the possibilities seemed greater. Yeah, but RAM most likely didn’t say to her, “Riley, honey, you are our hitter of the future so, hot dang, we can stop recruiting now!” At the time of Riley’s commitment, she was one of RAM’s first recruits. (She may have been RAM’s third ever recruit, behind transfer Angel Gaskin and setter Kate Lang) So, Riley and her parents knew RAM was scouring the earth with over half a dozen scholarships in hand to offer to, most likely, other hitters.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 11:00:05 GMT -5
But it doesn't go against reality. At the time of that offer, Rasmussen and Van Sickle probably weren't committed yet, so the possibilities seemed greater. Yeah, but RAM most likely didn’t say to her, “Riley, honey, you are our hitter of the future so, hot dang, we can stop recruiting now!” At the time of Riley’s commitment, she was one of RAM’s first recruits. (She may have been RAM’s third ever recruit, behind transfer Angel Gaskin and setter Kate Lang) So, Riley and her parents knew RAM was scouring the earth with over half a dozen scholarships in hand to offer to, most likely, other hitters. I don't understand what your argument is here. If Wagoner is in the libero position in a match, it negates her hitting entirely since she can't attack at all (which also negates wahinefan's idea of an attacking DS). Wagoner as libero also suggests that her defensive ability is on par or better than the other DS's and/or not quite on par with the other hitters. **But I'm not even sure that Wagoner playing libero in a scrimmage match that requires an A and B team, and therefore two liberos, necessarily means that she's being seriously considered as libero. It might just have been a way to give her more time in the match.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 24, 2019 11:05:56 GMT -5
For those of you that have seen the Wahine in action this summer, how would you assess the serve part of the game? I've seen clips of BVS serving and she is good. Jolie seems to have a decent jump float. We all know Bailey and Noreen can serve tough. What about the rest? Anyone that can bomb away behind the service line the way Nikki Taylor did? Re the freshmen: Wagoner is the most consistent with a standing float. Don't think she had a service error. May not get a lot of aces, but she put ball on target. Hellvig has a jump spin/float hybrid serve that when on, will cause a lot of trouble across the net. She had some nice service runs. But, eventually she'd error out. I see her running hot or cold until she settles in. As the match went on, she got stronger serving.
Re the transfers: JR and Choy can consistently serve the low toss jump spin/float hybrid to target and mix it up. BVS is aggressive and will go on streaks. Hanawahine was ok.
Re the returnees: mostly as you remember them. Iosia looked especially sharp.
Serving was generally good last night, although initially too many service errors. They got some needed coaching to settle down, take more time, breathe, and get it in. I can see this team fighting its nerves initially, but once settled in and leaning in, serving should be strong. It took Nikki until her fourth year to be a dominant server, and I don't see that level of serve on this team yet. But, Iosia may come close.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 11:17:00 GMT -5
Yeah, but RAM most likely didn’t say to her, “Riley, honey, you are our hitter of the future so, hot dang, we can stop recruiting now!” At the time of Riley’s commitment, she was one of RAM’s first recruits. (She may have been RAM’s third ever recruit, behind transfer Angel Gaskin and setter Kate Lang) So, Riley and her parents knew RAM was scouring the earth with over half a dozen scholarships in hand to offer to, most likely, other hitters. I don't understand what your argument is here. If Wagoner is in the libero position in a match, it negates her hitting entirely since she can't attack at all (which also negates wahinefan's idea of an attacking DS). Wagoner as libero also suggests that her defensive ability is on par or better than the other DS's and/or not quite on par with the other hitters. **But I'm not even sure that Wagoner playing libero in a scrimmage match that requires an A and B team, and therefore two liberos, necessarily means that she's being seriously considered as libero. It might just have been a way to give her more time in the match. In a nutshell: My argument was that I’m surprised she’s contending for a libero position, in light of noblesol’s write-up, given that she didn’t come to Hawaii to play libero. You countered by saying, “eh, brah, why you surprised? She has the skillz, dude.” I then said, “ yo, I know she has the skillz! I know everything about her. That’s not the point, dammit! The point is, she didn’t come to Hawaii to play libero (or exclusive backrow)!” You then said, “she committed a long time ago and playing hitter seemed like a possibility.” I then said, “well that’s silly. She knew she was the first of a long line of hitters that Coach Rob was trying to grab!” That’s where we are.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 11:19:11 GMT -5
I don't understand what your argument is here. If Wagoner is in the libero position in a match, it negates her hitting entirely since she can't attack at all (which also negates wahinefan's idea of an attacking DS). Wagoner as libero also suggests that her defensive ability is on par or better than the other DS's and/or not quite on par with the other hitters. **But I'm not even sure that Wagoner playing libero in a scrimmage match that requires an A and B team, and therefore two liberos, necessarily means that she's being seriously considered as libero. It might just have been a way to give her more time in the match. In a nutshell: My argument was that I’m surprised she’s contending for a libero position, in light of noblesol’s write-up, given that she didn’t come to Hawaii to play libero. You countered by saying, “eh, brah, why you surprised? She has the skillz, dude.” I then said, “ yo, I know she has the skillz! I know everything about her. That’s not the point, dammit! The point is, she didn’t come to Hawaii to play libero (or exclusive backrow)!” You then said, “she committed a long time ago and playing hitter seemed like a possibility.” I then said, “well that’s silly. She knew she was the first of a long line of hitters that Coach Rob was trying to grab!” That’s where we are. That's great for you, but you mis-characterized my argument.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 11:21:15 GMT -5
In a nutshell: My argument was that I’m surprised she’s contending for a libero position, in light of noblesol’s write-up, given that she didn’t come to Hawaii to play libero. You countered by saying, “eh, brah, why you surprised? She has the skillz, dude.” I then said, “ yo, I know she has the skillz! I know everything about her. That’s not the point, dammit! The point is, she didn’t come to Hawaii to play libero (or exclusive backrow)!” You then said, “she committed a long time ago and playing hitter seemed like a possibility.” I then said, “well that’s silly. She knew she was the first of a long line of hitters that Coach Rob was trying to grab!” That’s where we are. That's great for you, but you mis-characterized my argument. I don’t think so.
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