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Post by gophervbfan on Oct 21, 2018 23:02:57 GMT -5
How is wisky in big psu out. Wisky has 3 loses in conference psu 2. If psu were to run table in big they would get in ahead of wisky. I guess I don’t understand how Illinois and wisky can be in that list and not psu since both have one more loss and both still have to play psu Wisconsin is not 'in' - they just have a lot more RPI potential. Wisconsin has a great RPI schedule, Illinois has a very good RPI schedule. Minnesota and Nebraska schedules are not nearly as good and Penn State is the worst of the 5 by a large margin. And then Illinois comes into conference play with a better non-conference record. Penn State will have to have multiple fewer losses in conference to get an RPI better than either Wisconsin or Illinois. Boof, I agree with you. I must admit I have never seen the "guts" of how RPI is calculated but there are many times where an experienced volleyball spectator can look at RPI and say it is full of excrement. Bluepenquin, whom I certainly respect for RPI knowledge given prior posts, states, "Wisconsin has a great RPI schedule." WHAT!?!?! Wisconsin's best non-conference match was at home against a wobbly Texas squad. In conference, Wisconsin gets a pass (by only playing once) against THE TWO TEAMS THAT SCARE ME THE MOST - Nebraska and Penn State. Yet, Wisconsin has a "great" RPI schedule and Minnesota sounds like they have been playing the Little Sisters of the Poor club team. (Oh, BTW, the Gophers played at Stanford and Nebraska and Penn State twice.) If Illinois and Wisconsin are considered better by the RPI than Penn State, something is amiss. Those who have seen my prior posts know this is no disrespect for either Illinois or Wisconsin. I think both of those squads are Final 8 caliber and, with a break along the way, could make a Final Four.
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Post by Boof1224 on Oct 21, 2018 23:09:58 GMT -5
Wisconsin is not 'in' - they just have a lot more RPI potential. Wisconsin has a great RPI schedule, Illinois has a very good RPI schedule. Minnesota and Nebraska schedules are not nearly as good and Penn State is the worst of the 5 by a large margin. And then Illinois comes into conference play with a better non-conference record. Penn State will have to have multiple fewer losses in conference to get an RPI better than either Wisconsin or Illinois. Boof, I agree with you. I must admit I have never seen the "guts" of how RPI is calculated but there are many times where an experienced volleyball spectator can look at RPI and say it is full of excrement. Bluepenquin, whom I certainly respect for RPI knowledge given prior posts, states, "Wisconsin has a great RPI schedule." WHAT!?!?! Wisconsin's best non-conference match was at home against a wobbly Texas squad. In conference, Wisconsin gets a pass (by only playing once) against THE TWO TEAMS THAT SCARE ME THE MOST - Nebraska and Penn State. Yet, Wisconsin has a "great" RPI schedule and Minnesota sounds like they have been playing the Little Sisters of the Poor club team. (Oh, BTW, the Gophers played at Stanford and Nebraska and Penn State twice.) If Illinois and Wisconsin are considered better by the RPI than Penn State, something is amiss. Those who have seen my prior posts know this is no disrespect for either Illinois or Wisconsin. I think both of those squads are Final 8 caliber and, with a break along the way, could make a Final Four. I think RPI calculations are a joke sometimes.
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Post by fredf99 on Oct 21, 2018 23:15:29 GMT -5
rpi is what is is. if you don't understand how it is calculated, look it up.
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Post by Boof1224 on Oct 21, 2018 23:22:42 GMT -5
rpi is what is is. if you don't understand how it is calculated, look it up. Did say I didn’t understand it just said a lot of times it is not reflective of who the better teams are
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Oct 21, 2018 23:23:59 GMT -5
Let's talk about Michigan. Michigan has slipped to #14 in RPI Futures. Their resume in terms of RPI wins is something similar (worse) than UCF and Cal Poly. Here is a list of Michigan's 9 best wins in terms of RPI Futures rank: Purdue - 23 Colorado State - 40 High Point - 55 Valparaiso - 56 Notre Dame - 57 Notre Dame - 57 Indiana - 59 Ohio State - 60 Iowa - 62 They are 1-3 against the top 25 and 1-0 against the top 50. Some of those teams on this list could get inside the Top 50. They have T25 matches remaining against Wisconsin 2X, Minnesota, Nebraska, and Penn State. Say they win one of these and go 2-7 against the T25 and 3-7 against the T50 - does this get them a seed? I wouldn't assume they get a seed with a T16 RPI. I think the committee has to put an asterisk next to that 2-7 Top 25 record if all 7 losses are to top 10 teams (and 3 to regional hosts maybe). Seems like High Point and one of those three BIG teams will make it to top 50 IMO, and Mich needs to be rooting for CSU to sweep this next week. However, I think it gets dicey if Michigan goes 5-5 the rest of the way (meaning they win @indiana, and lose against all the top teams, the rest of their matches seem easy). They haven't yet shown the grit to beat the top teams but they'll have home court advantage against Wisconsin, Minnesota and Nebraska. Both Pittsburgh and Milwaukee are within driving distance of Ann Arbor though, so they'll still have a solid chance at Sweet 16 if not hosting (Mich@Marquette would be about a Pablo tossup), though their draw is a lot cushier if they stay home.
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Oct 21, 2018 23:43:25 GMT -5
Wisconsin is not 'in' - they just have a lot more RPI potential. Wisconsin has a great RPI schedule, Illinois has a very good RPI schedule. Minnesota and Nebraska schedules are not nearly as good and Penn State is the worst of the 5 by a large margin. And then Illinois comes into conference play with a better non-conference record. Penn State will have to have multiple fewer losses in conference to get an RPI better than either Wisconsin or Illinois. Boof, I agree with you. I must admit I have never seen the "guts" of how RPI is calculated but there are many times where an experienced volleyball spectator can look at RPI and say it is full of excrement. Bluepenquin, whom I certainly respect for RPI knowledge given prior posts, states, "Wisconsin has a great RPI schedule." !?!?! Wisconsin's best non-conference match was at home against a wobbly Texas squad. In conference, Wisconsin gets a pass (by only playing once) against THE TWO TEAMS THAT SCARE ME THE MOST - Nebraska and Penn State. Yet, Wisconsin has a "great" RPI schedule and Minnesota sounds like they have been playing the Little Sisters of the Poor club team. (Oh, BTW, the Gophers played at Stanford and Nebraska and Penn State twice.) If Illinois and Wisconsin are considered better by the RPI than Penn State, something is amiss. Those who have seen my prior posts know this is no disrespect for either Illinois or Wisconsin. I think both of those squads are Final 8 caliber and, with a break along the way, could make a Final Four. Please read up on how RPI works. Regarding Wisconsin's great RPI schedule: (Current RPI rankings from Figstats in parentheses).
-- That Wobbly Texas squad is currently 4th in RPI and projected to be in the top 5-6. -- RPI doesn't care which teams are more scary, teams a little less scary like Illinois (2nd), Michigan (11th) and Purdue (15th) also have as good and better RPIs than Nebraska (13th) and Penn State (14th). The Badgers have to play them twice as well as the quite scary Gophers (7th). -- The Gophers Little Sisters of the Poor pre-season tournament AKA the Diet Coke "Classic" featured Arkansas (83rd), North Dakota St (237th) and Georgia Southern (290th). Wisconsin's only poor OOC opponent was North Texas (142nd). RPI encompasses a team's entire schedule not just certain matches that stand out. Pay particular attention in the provided link to OWP and OOWP section. Oh and yes, it is generally considered a crappy ranking system, whereby a win over 16-3 Radford is as good as a win over 17-4 Penn St for your OWP component.
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Post by gophervbfan on Oct 21, 2018 23:55:28 GMT -5
Don't misunderstand what I was saying. I am not disagreeing with how RPI got there, I am simple saying RPI often sucks. I will say I think it can be really bad in women's basketball and, to a lesser extent, men's basketball. I would just expect after all of this time that a better product would be used.
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Post by bucky415 on Oct 21, 2018 23:57:55 GMT -5
North Carolina is also probably an unexpected drag on Wisconsin's RPI, but that holds true for Minnesota as well. Sheffield's schedules definitely seem geared toward a better RPI by avoiding playing teams that would hurt the RPI. They only played at Baylor rather than fully taking part in the Bears' tournament that weekend, and they also did not play Tulsa in Marquette's tournament, going up against the Golden Eagles and a probably relatively highly ranked RPI squad in Illinois State. I would like to see the RPI junked due to its flaws, and I think you should play in a tournament or not, rather than picking and choosing opponents to play, but the Badgers do have a good schedule for the RPI this season.
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Oct 22, 2018 0:04:53 GMT -5
North Carolina is also probably an unexpected drag on Wisconsin's RPI, but that holds true for Minnesota as well. Sheffield's schedules definitely seem geared toward a better RPI by avoiding playing teams that would hurt the RPI. They only played at Baylor rather than fully taking part in the Bears' tournament that weekend, and they also did not play Tulsa in Marquette's tournament, going up against the Golden Eagles and a probably relatively highly ranked RPI squad in Illinois State. I would like to see the RPI junked due to its flaws, and I think you should play in a tournament or not, rather than picking and choosing opponents to play, but the Badgers do have a good schedule for the RPI this season. Or just be like Stanford and Texas and play home and homes with the other elite teams. I suppose Marquette and Baylor were both happy to have the Badgers for one match, but yeah that's kind of lame to only play the team you want to help your schedule. Ha, turns out wins over Tulsa and Rice, may have helped more than hurt. But who knew that when the schedules were made. The Gophers really need to get Creighton, UNI, ISU in the rotation for the Diet Coke, or scrap it. It's not much fun seeing them blow out weak opponents, other than to see some of the bench players get a chance to perform at the Pav. Losing the Kansas state match hurt a little, but only if they stay in the top 50 really.
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Post by jaypak on Oct 22, 2018 0:38:56 GMT -5
I would love to see Creighton in the Gophers’ tournament, or vice versa. It’s only a 45-minute flight or 6.5-hour drive between Minneapolis and Omaha.
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Post by fredf99 on Oct 22, 2018 0:42:49 GMT -5
rpi is what is is. if you don't understand how it is calculated, look it up. Did say I didn’t understand it just said a lot of times it is not reflective of who the better teams are i was responding to gophervbfan, not you. he seemed confused about the concept.
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Post by vbkahuna on Oct 22, 2018 6:25:33 GMT -5
To all those whining about their team's RPI, there's a really simple answer. If you want your team to have a decent RPI convince your coach to schedule stronger teams in the non-conference part of the season. This isn't rocket science. And frankly, your coach already knows this.
Pitt and Illinois, for example, chose to really challenge their teams with tough competition at the start of the season. And by going unbeaten then they have earned choice positioning for the playoffs. Other teams chose to compete against much weaker opponents for their own reasons. Too bad. Choose tougher competition next time.
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Post by gophervbfan on Oct 22, 2018 7:59:55 GMT -5
To all those whining about their team's RPI, there's a really simple answer. If you want your team to have a decent RPI convince your coach to schedule stronger teams in the non-conference part of the season. This isn't rocket science. And frankly, your coach already knows this. Pitt and Illinois, for example, chose to really challenge their teams with tough competition at the start of the season. And by going unbeaten then they have earned choice positioning for the playoffs. Other teams chose to compete against much weaker opponents for their own reasons. Too bad. Choose tougher competition next time. I can't believe Illinois ran through this gauntlet unscathed. Too bad they didn't play University of Denver and Air Force. They could have been the Colorado volleyball champion. UNC-Wilmington Colorado State Northern Colorado Colorado Washington Bowling Green Cleveland State UC Irvine Northern Iowa Lipscomb Creighton
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 22, 2018 9:42:38 GMT -5
I am going to split this up in multiple posts. I looked a the schedules of Illinoi, Penn State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska in terms of Pablo rating. This takes into account home/road/neutral. The average Pablo rating for these 5 teams is 7210 - so I used that as the baseline. A tough schedule for the #5 team in the country is different than a tough schedule for the #25 team in the country.
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 22, 2018 9:47:08 GMT -5
Here is the expected nonconference winning % for the 5 teams. The lower the %, the tougher the schedule.
Minnesota - .825 Wisconsin - .831 Penn State - .866 Illinois - .882 Nebraska - .897
Minnesota lost 2 non conference matches - and were the only team to underperform the Pablo expectation of a 7210 rated team. Illinois was the only team to exceed expectation by more than 1 game. Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Penn State exceeded projections for a 7210 team by less than 1/2 a win. Minnesota had the toughest schedule - but they also performed the worse of the 5 teams.
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