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Post by pepperbrooks on Nov 25, 2018 15:34:53 GMT -5
How do I define failure? The inability to regularly make it to the round of 16 in the NCAA tournament. The inability to be RELEVANT in the post season. I think that is a fair method of evaluation. To me a "successful" coach of an historic program in a great college location, once he has HIS players on board, should participate in the Round of 16 at least half the time. Winning the whole thing? That is often a matter of luck of the draw, or a coin flip between two teams of equal quality. So I don't think that is an adequate measure, and the sample size is so small that you can't really judge a program on that. And why has Sealy failed to reach the round of 16 on a consistent basis? Um, in 9 years he's made it to the sweet 16 or further 5 times. Even if you want to cut out his championship on some sort of arbitary "his players" rule, he's made it to the sweet 16 4 times out of the last 7. Before this season he'd been in 3 sweet 16s and a final 8! You're defining him as a success by your own terms. His results over 9 years are a championship, a final 8, three sweet 16s, two round of 32s and two complete whiffs. During his tenure UCLA's been probably the 10th or 11th best program in the country. Could they be better? Sure. If those are your criteria for UCLA then Sealy should stay.
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Post by sisyphus on Nov 25, 2018 15:37:17 GMT -5
I've got two thoughts on these results: First, I erred in saying the criterion for an acceptable performance for the program should be Sweet 16 at least half the time. In truth I think UCLA should generally be much better than top 16, so I'd like to propose a more appropriate criterion of : Elite 8 at least a third of the time. Moving the goalposts?
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Post by greenpier on Nov 25, 2018 16:16:12 GMT -5
Sealy is safe.
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Post by dunninla on Nov 25, 2018 18:45:41 GMT -5
I've got two thoughts on these results: First, I erred in saying the criterion for an acceptable performance for the program should be Sweet 16 at least half the time. In truth I think UCLA should generally be much better than top 16, so I'd like to propose a more appropriate criterion of : Elite 8 at least a third of the time. Moving the goalposts? yes.
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Nov 25, 2018 18:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 25, 2018 18:50:50 GMT -5
Hes made the round of 16 more often than not, but those two non tournament years speak volumes.
I firmly believe hes a good coach, (even though he sucks at calling time outs), but UCLA is one of the most historical volleyball programs so well have to wait and see.
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Post by notwvb on Nov 25, 2018 18:56:35 GMT -5
Hes made the round of 16 more often than not, but those two non tournament years speak volumes. I firmly believe hes a good coach, (even though he sucks at calling time outs), but UCLA is one of the most historical volleyball programs so well have to wait and see. You nailed the problem: UCLA is now viewed as an historical volleyball program.
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Nov 25, 2018 19:05:20 GMT -5
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Post by Fight On! on Nov 25, 2018 19:05:20 GMT -5
Maybe Bruin fans thinks their AD is named Lynn Swann and would fire a volleyball coach simply for having one bad year. Of course , it’s silly to make a decision to fire someone over one bad season but you never know what happens behind the scene. Maybe Karch Kiraly wants the job and this would be a good time to give it to him. Karch would defiantly bring a new sense of excitement to the program with his storied background. The difference is that Swann fired his coach for barely missing the final four, not for barely missing the tournament. (oops, tomclen snuck in while I was editing!) Karch has been universally praised here on VT for his job with the national team, and has a long and extensive track record evaluating and recruiting 8th grade girls, so I am sure the transition to a college job would be smooth with great support from the fan base (please read that with more than a hint of sarcasm). Mick couldn’t play nice with the SWA. Let’s be real.
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Post by Mark Richards on Nov 25, 2018 19:09:57 GMT -5
The difference is that Swann fired his coach for barely missing the final four, not for barely missing the tournament. (oops, tomclen snuck in while I was editing!) Karch has been universally praised here on VT for his job with the national team, and has a long and extensive track record evaluating and recruiting 8th grade girls, so I am sure the transition to a college job would be smooth with great support from the fan base (please read that with more than a hint of sarcasm). Mick couldn’t play nice with the SWA. Let’s be real. What is SWA? Amazing that USC fired a coach that was a few bounces from the FF 2017 and kept their 5-7 football coach.
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Post by Fight On! on Nov 25, 2018 19:13:16 GMT -5
Mick couldn’t play nice with the SWA. Let’s be real. What is SWA? Amazing that USC fired a coach that was a few bounces from the FF 2017 and kept their 5-7 football coach. Senior Woman Administrator Donna Heinel It is erroneous to think he was fired due to team performance.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Nov 25, 2018 19:21:22 GMT -5
The difference is that Swann fired his coach for barely missing the final four, not for barely missing the tournament. (oops, tomclen snuck in while I was editing!) Karch has been universally praised here on VT for his job with the national team, and has a long and extensive track record evaluating and recruiting 8th grade girls, so I am sure the transition to a college job would be smooth with great support from the fan base (please read that with more than a hint of sarcasm). Mick couldn’t play nice with the SWA. Let’s be real. Mick couldn’t play nice with a lot of people at USC.
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 25, 2018 19:33:27 GMT -5
The UCLA AD Dan Guerrero oversaw the rise of the UCI men's volleyball team under Speraw and brought Speraw to UCLA after he moved over to UCLA. I highly doubt that he is unaware of the state of affairs in the women's program. I don't think that he will make an aggressive move that doesn't coincide with the regular expiration of Sealy's contract, i.e., a move that costs money. It's not his style from a personality or financial standpoint.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 25, 2018 19:36:11 GMT -5
Would FISCHER ever go to UCLA?
I know USC botched that one but maybe ucla wouldnt?
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 25, 2018 19:38:29 GMT -5
Would FISCHER ever go to UCLA? I know USC botched that one but maybe ucla wouldnt? Let's see how Fischer does in the tournament. I'm not convinced yet.
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Post by n00b on Nov 25, 2018 19:40:27 GMT -5
Would FISCHER ever go to UCLA? I know USC botched that one but maybe ucla wouldnt? Let's see how Fischer does in the tournament. I'm not convinced yet. He'll do better than Sealy this year.
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Post by mpr2477 on Nov 25, 2018 22:19:56 GMT -5
I don’t understand how UCLA doesn’t place in the top 4 in the PAC this year and make the ncaa tourney, with the players they have! Mac May is underperforming and should be a star already. Utterly unacceptable for the Bruins to miss a tournament. What an embarrassment
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