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Post by volleyguy on Nov 26, 2018 18:16:18 GMT -5
I was wondering when someone was going to bring up the collegiate women's volleyball landscape that has changed around UCLA in the last 20+ years.... But it's not like LBSU, where the Power 5 ascension has pushed them out. UCLA is still in the PAC 12, still in Los Angeles, still a great school. Exactly. UCLA is [should be] one of the most recruitable names in the PAC 12 and in college volleyball. Stanford will always be able to land the best combination of talent and academics, but it has a narrower band of potential athletes. Cal is perhaps better academically, but it doesn't compare as favorably in terms of vb tradition, campus environment, weather and athletic department stability. There are very few athletes who would dismiss UCLA on the basis of academics alone, yet UCLA has enough flexibility to take athletes whose physical talent might even exceed their academic talent. But it's just not happening with Sealy as coach.
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Nov 26, 2018 19:05:07 GMT -5
Post by saywhatnow on Nov 26, 2018 19:05:07 GMT -5
Is UCLA living off the strength of their past? I see this situation similar to the current USC Football program. Losing talent in your own backyard is problematic when SoCal is producing some great talent. Do they have the pull to bring some top talent from outside of CA? As mentioned above, UCLA has academic flexibility that Cal and Stanford do not have. Westwood sells itself and when you have programs like LMU and Pepperdine having success, you have to question why is it not happening for the Bruins.
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Nov 26, 2018 19:33:05 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Nov 26, 2018 19:33:05 GMT -5
Is UCLA living off the strength of their past? I see this situation similar to the current USC Football program. Losing talent in your own backyard is problematic when SoCal is producing some great talent. Do they have the pull to bring some top talent from outside of CA? As mentioned above, UCLA has academic flexibility that Cal and Stanford do not have. Westwood sells itself and when you have programs like LMU and Pepperdine having success, you have to question why is it not happening for the Bruins. Cal has the exact same academic flexibility that UCLA has, they haven't deployed it towards Athletics in quite the same way. I think the issue with UCLA is recruiting objectives and recruiting results (they're going after the wrong players or are failing to land the talent).
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Post by azvb on Nov 26, 2018 19:33:24 GMT -5
Fat-shaming has been mentioned more than a few times when it comes to Sealy. Fireable. Just curious what would be considered fat shaming in 2018? I have no knowledge of any of Sealy's actions, but Gimmilaro at Long Beach was notorious for forcing his players to be in a certain shape. I believe Russ at Penn State does weekly weigh in's to monitor players weights. What does fat-shaming mean ? Verbal abuse? Who is monitoring Russ’ weight?
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Nov 26, 2018 19:38:37 GMT -5
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Post by memorybankrupt on Nov 26, 2018 19:38:37 GMT -5
Just curious what would be considered fat shaming in 2018? I have no knowledge of any of Sealy's actions, but Gimmilaro at Long Beach was notorious for forcing his players to be in a certain shape. I believe Russ at Penn State does weekly weigh in's to monitor players weights. What does fat-shaming mean ? Verbal abuse? Who is monitoring Russ’ weight? Hah that made me laugh. He's been really packing on the lbs this past decade.
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Nov 26, 2018 20:06:50 GMT -5
Post by saywhatnow on Nov 26, 2018 20:06:50 GMT -5
Just curious what would be considered fat shaming in 2018? I have no knowledge of any of Sealy's actions, but Gimmilaro at Long Beach was notorious for forcing his players to be in a certain shape. I believe Russ at Penn State does weekly weigh in's to monitor players weights. What does fat-shaming mean ? Verbal abuse? Who is monitoring Russ’ weight? I mean it's a viable question. LMAO
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Nov 26, 2018 20:08:50 GMT -5
Post by hammer on Nov 26, 2018 20:08:50 GMT -5
Who is monitoring Russ’ weight? Hah that made me laugh. He's been really packing on the lbs this past decade. IMO it has made little difference in his vertical jump. As long as he can smoke a cigar, walk over to the Creamery, drink some vino, and hunt with the big dogs it's all good ...
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Nov 26, 2018 20:09:57 GMT -5
Post by saywhatnow on Nov 26, 2018 20:09:57 GMT -5
Is UCLA living off the strength of their past? I see this situation similar to the current USC Football program. Losing talent in your own backyard is problematic when SoCal is producing some great talent. Do they have the pull to bring some top talent from outside of CA? As mentioned above, UCLA has academic flexibility that Cal and Stanford do not have. Westwood sells itself and when you have programs like LMU and Pepperdine having success, you have to question why is it not happening for the Bruins. Cal has the exact same academic flexibility that UCLA has, they haven't deployed it towards Athletics in quite the same way. I think the issue with UCLA is recruiting objectives and recruiting results (they're going after the wrong players or are failing to land the talent). I would argue that Cal is tougher to get in despite them being part of the same UC system. Sealy has a type that he recruits. It's very clear.
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Nov 26, 2018 21:16:11 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Nov 26, 2018 21:16:11 GMT -5
Cal has the exact same academic flexibility that UCLA has, they haven't deployed it towards Athletics in quite the same way. I think the issue with UCLA is recruiting objectives and recruiting results (they're going after the wrong players or are failing to land the talent). I would argue that Cal is tougher to get in despite them being part of the same UC system. Sealy has a type that he recruits. It's very clear. I agree that Cal is more selective in practice, but minimum admissions standards for all of the UC campuses are set by statute and are the same. Each campus can impose higher standards due to programmatic needs, budgetary constraints or enrollment demand (this is true of the CSU campuses as well), which is why different admission standards exist among the campuses in each system. I also agree that whatever Sealy is doing is not working.
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Nov 26, 2018 21:17:39 GMT -5
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Post by Fight On! on Nov 26, 2018 21:17:39 GMT -5
This... How he couldn’t keep TVW from transferring to a non P5 school and how he didn’t manage to land Mirkovic who was in his backyard is beyond me. lol, her sister played at Cal Poly, her mom went there, they had just added Rodgers as a beach coach, she's from Norcal (so Poly is closer). was he supposed to pin her down? And she didn’t like him ...
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Nov 26, 2018 21:29:25 GMT -5
Post by hammer on Nov 26, 2018 21:29:25 GMT -5
lol, her sister played at Cal Poly, her mom went there, they had just added Rodgers as a beach coach, she's from Norcal (so Poly is closer). was he supposed to pin her down? And she didn’t like him ... That is sort of important
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Nov 26, 2018 22:37:02 GMT -5
Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 26, 2018 22:37:02 GMT -5
I was wondering when someone was going to bring up the collegiate women's volleyball landscape that has changed around UCLA in the last 20+ years.... But it's not like LBSU, where the Power 5 ascension has pushed them out. UCLA is still in the PAC 12, still in Los Angeles, still a great school. Which is really the crux of the problem. The entire landscape is NOT equal, because of the power five conference bias. And even though the damage has been done to former top ten schools such as former Champs LBSU, Pacific, Hawai’i, the future could reverse it by finding a more level system that would spread the wealth around, both in resources and talent.
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Nov 26, 2018 22:48:53 GMT -5
Post by pepperbrooks on Nov 26, 2018 22:48:53 GMT -5
But it's not like LBSU, where the Power 5 ascension has pushed them out. UCLA is still in the PAC 12, still in Los Angeles, still a great school. Which is really the crux of the problem. The entire landscape is NOT equal, because of the power five conference bias. And even though the danage has been done to former top ten schools such as former Champs LBSU, Pacific, Hawai’i, the future could reverse it by finding a more level system that would spread the wealth around, both in resources and talent. How would that happen?
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Nov 27, 2018 12:54:44 GMT -5
Post by Word on Nov 27, 2018 12:54:44 GMT -5
Change is coming, but not the change everyone is clamoring for...
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Nov 27, 2018 12:58:21 GMT -5
Post by jcvball22 on Nov 27, 2018 12:58:21 GMT -5
Change is coming, but not the change everyone is clamoring for... Which of his assistants is getting thrown under the bus?
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