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Post by hammer on Dec 9, 2018 18:10:27 GMT -5
We have the technology ...
Stronger, faster, frame by frame net touching image recognition with built-in machine learning. The future is always in the future but we have the technology now to limit the search window (of net touches).
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Post by pelagius on Dec 9, 2018 18:14:21 GMT -5
Ullmer was nowhere near as bad as Reyes, who is a fricking assistant coach. Put a leash on him, John. Yes, I watched part of PSU/Stanford. There's too many replays and too many grumpy coaches. Everywhere. That's interesting. Reyes at BYU almost never complained about anything. It was Luka Slabe. Slabe got yellow cards all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 18:18:07 GMT -5
Luke Slabe. I keep seeing his name all over the AVCA Convention program.
JR does this thing with his shirt. Not sure if it annoys me or not. I think he's biting it. Anyhow, in retrospect, the guy's growing on me. John, Kayla and he are entertaining, I'll give them that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 18:20:14 GMT -5
I'm serious here. Do we REALLY want to know if someone barely touched a ball hit out of bounds or barely touched the net? Why do we want to reward luck?
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 9, 2018 18:24:14 GMT -5
I'm serious here. Do we REALLY want to know if someone barely touched a ball hit out of bounds or barely touched the net? Why do we want to reward luck? Because it's a zero sum game. It's not like we can just let it go and there is no harm done. Every rally ends in a point for one team or the other. Shouldn't we try our best to make sure it's the right team?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 18:27:32 GMT -5
I'm serious here. Do we REALLY want to know if someone barely touched a ball hit out of bounds or barely touched the net? Why do we want to reward luck? Because it's a zero sum game. It's not like we can just let it go and there is no harm done. Every rally ends in a point for one team or the other. Shouldn't we try our best to make sure it's the right team? Not if we ruin the sport in the process.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 9, 2018 18:32:23 GMT -5
Because it's a zero sum game. It's not like we can just let it go and there is no harm done. Every rally ends in a point for one team or the other. Shouldn't we try our best to make sure it's the right team? Not if we ruin the sport in the process. I didn't any sports being ruined this past weekend. I saw a 41-39 set. I didn't see (because I don't have ESPNU) a match where the consensus #1 looked like it was about to go down 0-2 and then came back for the 3-1 win. There was quality volleyball being played in front of excited crowds. What got ruined?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 18:33:35 GMT -5
Volleyball is being ruined. You may not agree, but that is my answer to you.
It already happened to football, baseball and basketball.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 9, 2018 18:35:39 GMT -5
Volleyball is being ruined. You may not agree, but that is my answer to you. It already happened to football, baseball and basketball. You sound like, and I mean this in the least insulting way, a bitter old man who doesn't like how people are changing things he's been used to for a long time.
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Post by gophervbfan on Dec 9, 2018 18:40:04 GMT -5
You shouldn't be trying to get overly concerned with the minutiae. Worrying about barely touching the net is minutiae. It is a thorn in the side of the game. (See my basketball comparison earlier in this thread.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 18:45:45 GMT -5
Volleyball is being ruined. You may not agree, but that is my answer to you. It already happened to football, baseball and basketball. You sound like, and I mean this in the least insulting way, a bitter old man who doesn't like how people are changing things he's been used to for a long time. I'm really not and I'm sorry if I come off that way. I think sports should be fun. Football, basketball, baseball aren't fun anymore. For me. And instant replay has a lot to do with it. I don't want the same thing to happen to volleyball. I don't know what the happy medium is, but what's happening now is excess. Running through an entire rally to find a minute net infraction is not fun. Reviewing pancakes is not fun. Challenging line calls with poor quality video is not fun. And I really do not like rewarding players for luck.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 18:46:44 GMT -5
And what's the deal with all this "old man" stuff? I'm not THAT old.
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Post by jayj79 on Dec 9, 2018 18:46:58 GMT -5
Few thoughts: 1) In order to be eligible to host a regional, you need to have a video replay system available. Most schools just re-use the same system they already have in place with DV-Sport that they use for basketball, which utilizes existing TV cameras in the venue. Schools will not spend additional money for high speed cameras specific to volleyball for a non-revenue generating sport - especially if it is not mandated either by the NCAA or their conference for regular season play. The team that I follow just started using the challenge review system at its home matches this past season for the first time. That included putting a camera on the net, and ones looking down the endlines. (there may be more, but I just know about the endline ones as I walked past one of them every match to get to my seat). None of these would be of any use for basketball, nor are they existing TV cameras in the venue. As for limiting coach contact with the players during the review, I see absolutely no point in that. Coaches communicate with players between points anyway (and even when play is ongoing). And the coaches talking to the players isn't affecting the amount of time used with the challenge. So no need to make a rule against that, IMO.
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Post by jayj79 on Dec 9, 2018 18:52:10 GMT -5
And I really do not like rewarding players for luck. that means any time a serve hits the net should be a service error. these serves that clip the tape and then creep over are total luck. same goes when a pass hits the net. it is a matter of luck in determining how it comes out of the net as to whether or not a player can play it. so any time a ball hits the net should result in the play being whistled dead. and any time a ball strikes the ceiling/rafters/lights/scoreboard brings luck into play. so that would mean whistling any play dead any time the ball strikes an overhead obstruction. And there is plenty of other instances when luck is a factor.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 9, 2018 18:52:24 GMT -5
You sound like, and I mean this in the least insulting way, a bitter old man who doesn't like how people are changing things he's been used to for a long time. I'm really not and I'm sorry if I come off that way. I think sports should be fun. Football, basketball, baseball aren't fun anymore. For me. And instant replay has a lot to do with it. I don't want the same thing to happen to volleyball. I don't know what the happy medium is, but what's happening now is excess. Running through an entire rally to find a minute net infraction is not fun. Reviewing pancakes is not fun. Challenging line calls with poor quality video is not fun. And I really do not like rewarding players for luck. Well, we just disagree I guess. I like the baseball replay rule. I don't watch football or basketball much, so I can't comment. For volleyball I think the rule could be improved by giving fewer challenges but the coach keeps them if they win. And I think the R1 should be allowed to call for a replay review on a disputed call. I would modify the double contact call (replace it with "one attempt to play the ball") before I touched the net rule (which I like) and the replay rule (which could be improved but is OK).
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