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Post by northwoods on Jan 3, 2019 14:57:28 GMT -5
Isn’t bruna’s Suspension up this summer? Is she coming back for spring semester? Maybe the suspension is up this summer, which is why the NCAA deemed her eligible for the 2019 season? I wish the media would ask real questions in press conferences, so we can actually get answers!!! I believe her drug suspension from professional volleyball is over in July. I don't think that means that she is automatically cleared by the NCAA, though. I'm pretty sure the Illinois program has no interest in answering questions on why they are trying to bring in a professional player with a history of suspension from her pro league for steroid use.
It was great that Illinois was able to have an outstanding year with all the focus on the performance of Poulter, Quade etc., and without all the focus being on why the program wants to get around the NCAA rules against professional players and performance enhancing drugs.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Jan 3, 2019 16:56:36 GMT -5
I believe her drug suspension from professional volleyball is over in July. I don't think that means that she is automatically cleared by the NCAA, though. I'm pretty sure the Illinois program has no interest in answering questions on why they are trying to bring in a professional player with a history of suspension from her pro league for steroid use.
It was great that Illinois was able to have an outstanding year with all the focus on the performance of Poulter, Quade etc., and without all the focus being on why the program wants to get around the NCAA rules against professional players and performance enhancing drugs.
I am still amazed at what Illinois was able to accomplish last season. However, I think you are misstating the issue when you write that Illinois "wants to get around the NCAA rules against professional players and performance enhancing drugs". Illinois and Bruna are following NCAA rules. It is yet to be determined if Bruna ever sees the court at Illinois. That will be decided by the NCAA. As long as she is willing to do the things that the NCAA indicates she needs to do to have a chance at NCAA eligibility, I have no qualms about an individual improving themselves and pursuing their goals.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Jan 5, 2019 7:55:43 GMT -5
I was watching the men's volleyball match last night between UC-Irvine and Loyola of Chicago when the TV camera panned the Irvine bench. It looked to me like Erin Johnson, the Illini middle blocker from 2009-12, was giving head coach, David Kniffin, some information from the bench. I did some research and discovered that Erin is indeed in her first year as an assistant coach at UC-Irvine. Congrats to Coach Johnson. She is not the first Illini to assist Kniffin. A few years ago Michelle Bartsch-Hackley assisted Kniffin at UCI. UI volleyball fans will remember that Kniffin was Hambley's assistant coach (for one year) when the Illini made it to the NCAA Championship match in 2011. www.facebook.com/wearevcunited/photos/please-join-us-in-congratulating-erin-johnson-as-she-will-be-hired-as-the-new-as/258196998200512/
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Post by huskerjen on Jan 5, 2019 12:15:41 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the Illinois program has no interest in answering questions on why they are trying to bring in a professional player with a history of suspension from her pro league for steroid use.
It was great that Illinois was able to have an outstanding year with all the focus on the performance of Poulter, Quade etc., and without all the focus being on why the program wants to get around the NCAA rules against professional players and performance enhancing drugs.
I am still amazed at what Illinois was able to accomplish last season. However, I think you are misstating the issue when you write that Illinois "wants to get around the NCAA rules against professional players and performance enhancing drugs". Illinois and Bruna are following NCAA rules. It is yet to be determined if Bruna ever sees the court at Illinois. That will be decided by the NCAA. As long as she is willing to do the things that the NCAA indicates she needs to do to have a chance at NCAA eligibility, I have no qualms about an individual improving themselves and pursuing their goals. I have nothing against Bruna, I think most people that have an issue with it is based on Tamas' reputation. He can grow the Illinois' program's success and his own legacy without her. It's not like she's a young Egonu or Vargas and her presence will immediately make them a favorite to win a championship. Seems like he's unnecessarily putting himself and the school in a position of heavy criticism by trying to get her eligible and adding her to the roster. Cost/benefit analysis.
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Post by hochee on Jan 5, 2019 13:15:49 GMT -5
As far as high school recruits go and as would be expected, it has already been stated by the Illinois coaching staff that there has been a considerable uptick in interest in coming to the University of Illinois. Good to hear. It's hard to sell University of Illinois to great players when U of I is in the middle of cornfields and most athletics are not too successful. But I think the culture of this program has changed. That final four match hurts because we looked like a team that was coached by Hambly. This new Tamas era players are much more stronger mentally. I agree, there is no way volleyball can succeed among cornfields. Highly unlikely, for sure. Moreover, a California coach in Cornland will probably struggle in the long run. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Just kidding, your point is well-taken, but Tamas is really, really good. I think he and Jen were absolutely key to rejuvenating Husker VB. No doubt they are awesome coaches, big time. What's really hard is the programmatic and culture aspects -- keeping your gym vital, competitive, upbeat, empowering, imaginative, innovative, etc..... The Tamases seem totally up to that challenge.
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Post by kylewise1983 on Jan 5, 2019 20:17:53 GMT -5
I am still amazed at what Illinois was able to accomplish last season. However, I think you are misstating the issue when you write that Illinois "wants to get around the NCAA rules against professional players and performance enhancing drugs". Illinois and Bruna are following NCAA rules. It is yet to be determined if Bruna ever sees the court at Illinois. That will be decided by the NCAA. As long as she is willing to do the things that the NCAA indicates she needs to do to have a chance at NCAA eligibility, I have no qualms about an individual improving themselves and pursuing their goals. I have nothing against Bruna, I think most people that have an issue with it is based on Tamas' reputation. He can grow the Illinois' program's success and his own legacy without her. It's not like she's a young Egonu or Vargas and her presence will immediately make them a favorite to win a championship. Seems like he's unnecessarily putting himself and the school in a position of heavy criticism by trying to get her eligible and adding her to the roster. Cost/benefit analysis. Heavy criticism by whom? A bunch of past their prime former volleyball players and coaches who now post randomly online. I think we give ourselves a bit too much credit to think the opinoins of volleytalkers would ever enter a top level coaches recruiting or coaching.
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Post by northwoods on Jan 6, 2019 10:02:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the Illinois program has no interest in answering questions on why they are trying to bring in a professional player with a history of suspension from her pro league for steroid use.
It was great that Illinois was able to have an outstanding year with all the focus on the performance of Poulter, Quade etc., and without all the focus being on why the program wants to get around the NCAA rules against professional players and performance enhancing drugs.
I am still amazed at what Illinois was able to accomplish last season. However, I think you are misstating the issue when you write that Illinois "wants to get around the NCAA rules against professional players and performance enhancing drugs". Illinois and Bruna are following NCAA rules. It is yet to be determined if Bruna ever sees the court at Illinois. That will be decided by the NCAA. As long as she is willing to do the things that the NCAA indicates she needs to do to have a chance at NCAA eligibility, I have no qualms about an individual improving themselves and pursuing their goals. The NCAA rule bans professionals from playing and the use of performance enhancing drugs. What you are describing in terms of Illinois trying to fit Brunas case into exceptions the NCAA has made to its professionalism rule in the past is the exact definition of a program trying to get around the rules! The steroid use issue is the one that baffles me. Her history of PED use is well documented and it’s the last thing you would want associated with the Illinois program. If she plays, and her history of steroid use becomes common knowledge, student sections will have a field day with that.
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Post by vbkahuna on Jan 6, 2019 11:04:25 GMT -5
I am still amazed at what Illinois was able to accomplish last season. However, I think you are misstating the issue when you write that Illinois "wants to get around the NCAA rules against professional players and performance enhancing drugs". Illinois and Bruna are following NCAA rules. It is yet to be determined if Bruna ever sees the court at Illinois. That will be decided by the NCAA. As long as she is willing to do the things that the NCAA indicates she needs to do to have a chance at NCAA eligibility, I have no qualms about an individual improving themselves and pursuing their goals. The NCAA rule bans professionals from playing and the use of performance enhancing drugs. What you are describing in terms of Illinois trying to fit Brunas case into exceptions the NCAA has made to its professionalism rule in the past is the exact definition of a program trying to get around the rules! The steroid use issue is the one that baffles me. Her history of PED use is well documented and it’s the last thing you would want associated with the Illinois program. If she plays, and her history of steroid use becomes common knowledge, student sections will have a field day with that. Your concern is much appreciated...and, given that you are a Wisconsin fan , quite understandable.
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Post by vbjustice on Jan 6, 2019 11:20:01 GMT -5
The NCAA rule bans professionals from playing and the use of performance enhancing drugs. What you are describing in terms of Illinois trying to fit Brunas case into exceptions the NCAA has made to its professionalism rule in the past is the exact definition of a program trying to get around the rules! The steroid use issue is the one that baffles me. Her history of PED use is well documented and it’s the last thing you would want associated with the Illinois program. If she plays, and her history of steroid use becomes common knowledge, student sections will have a field day with that. Your concern is much appreciated...and, given that you are a Wisconsin fan , quite understandable. Well I’m no one’s fan and think the whole thing stinks. Just seems like both an unnecesary and desperate move on Tamas’ part. However, if he wants to take on the liability and headache of a player with a history of integrity issues coupled with a former dependency on drugs in order to boost physical and athletic performance, well then I guess that’s his business...enjoy.
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Post by kylewise1983 on Jan 6, 2019 12:44:16 GMT -5
Your concern is much appreciated...and, given that you are a Wisconsin fan , quite understandable. Well I’m no one’s fan and think the whole thing stinks. Just seems like both an unnecesary and desperate move on Tamas’ part. However, if he wants to take on the liability and headache of a player with a history of integrity issues coupled with a former dependency on drugs in order to boost physical and athletic performance, well then I guess that’s his business...enjoy. Again the over inflated opinions of random volleyball fans posting in a online forum really have no impact on a coaches recruiting or coaching, or in how the NCAA will rule; but thanks for the concern. My issue with your post is the phrase “ dependency on drugs”, to my knowledge very little is know about the facts of the case, your language indicates knowledge of ongoing and addictive use? Do you have facts the rest of us don’t have access to? If so please share. If not perhaps you should keep your defaming and Unsubstantiated insults to yourself.
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Post by vbjustice on Jan 6, 2019 12:52:12 GMT -5
Well I’m no one’s fan and think the whole thing stinks. Just seems like both an unnecesary and desperate move on Tamas’ part. However, if he wants to take on the liability and headache of a player with a history of integrity issues coupled with a former dependency on drugs in order to boost physical and athletic performance, well then I guess that’s his business...enjoy. Again the over inflated opinions of random volleyball fans posting in a online forum really have no impact on a coaches recruiting or coaching, or in how the NCAA will rule; but thanks for the concern. My issue with your post is the phrase “ dependency on drugs”, to my knowledge very little is know about the facts of the case, your language indicates knowledge of ongoing and addictive use? Do you have facts the rest of us don’t have access to? If so please share. If not perhaps you should keep your defaming and Unsubstantiated insults to yourself. Again, I am no fan of any team. Just giving my opinion. You stated “addictive”, not my words. Yours. The player depended on the drugs to enhance her athletic performance. Right? No? Okay.
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Post by kylewise1983 on Jan 6, 2019 13:09:36 GMT -5
Again the over inflated opinions of random volleyball fans posting in a online forum really have no impact on a coaches recruiting or coaching, or in how the NCAA will rule; but thanks for the concern. My issue with your post is the phrase “ dependency on drugs”, to my knowledge very little is know about the facts of the case, your language indicates knowledge of ongoing and addictive use? Do you have facts the rest of us don’t have access to? If so please share. If not perhaps you should keep your defaming and Unsubstantiated insults to yourself. Again, I am no fan of any team. Just giving my opinion. You stated addictive, not my words. Yours. The player depended on the drugs to enhance her athletic performance. Right? No? Okay. Again your “point” relies on information I (and I assume you) don’t have access to. I don’t know if she failed a drug test because she was consistently using it to enhance her performance, if it was a prescription that had a component that cause a failed test, if a team doctor or trainer had her on something she didn’t know would cause her to fail. There are a lot of moving parts that we just don’t know. But the word dependency is by definition “the reliant need of something to function.” And the first synonym listed in the thesaurus for dendency is addiction, so I really wasn’t putting words in your mouth. My point is that you don’t know and I don’t either because we don’t need to know, frankly. It’s the job of the NCAA governing board to review and decide, and when random people start making assumptions without facts it adds nothing to the conversation. Right? No? Okay.
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Post by vbkahuna on Jan 6, 2019 13:10:08 GMT -5
I know enough about the professionalism and integrity of these Illinois coaches to know that they wouldn't be pursuing this on behalf of this player unless they had substantial reason and knowledge of the facts to have the proper entity evaluate and adjudicate her situation. The people making these assertions about "trying to skirt the rules" are doing so without knowing all the facts and starting with the assumption that what they have read/heard about her situation is correct. The NCAA will study all the relevant information and make a definitive ruling. And Illinois will live with whatever that ruling will be...as they did this past season quite nicely.
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Post by vbjustice on Jan 6, 2019 16:24:20 GMT -5
Again, I am no fan of any team. Just giving my opinion. You stated addictive, not my words. Yours. The player depended on the drugs to enhance her athletic performance. Right? No? Okay. Again your “point” relies on information I (and I assume you) don’t have access to. I don’t know if she failed a drug test because she was consistently using it to enhance her performance, if it was a prescription that had a component that cause a failed test, if a team doctor or trainer had her on something she didn’t know would cause her to fail. There are a lot of moving parts that we just don’t know. But the word dependency is by definition “the reliant need of something to function.” And the first synonym listed in the thesaurus for dendency is addiction, so I really wasn’t putting words in your mouth. My point is that you don’t know and I don’t either because we don’t need to know, frankly. It’s the job of the NCAA governing board to review and decide, and when random people start making assumptions without facts it adds nothing to the conversation. Right? No? Okay. Sure. I get it. Whatever makes you feel better. *shrugs shoulders*
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 6, 2019 16:33:01 GMT -5
I know enough about the professionalism and integrity of these Illinois coaches to know that they wouldn't be pursuing this on behalf of this player unless they had substantial reason and knowledge of the facts to have the proper entity evaluate and adjudicate her situation. The people making these assertions about "trying to skirt the rules" are doing so without knowing all the facts and starting with the assumption that what they have read/heard about her situation is correct. The NCAA will study all the relevant information and make a definitive ruling. And Illinois will live with whatever that ruling will be...as they did this past season quite nicely. How many bites of the apple do you think it will take to determine whether she was a professional athlete or not? Most people are satisfied with one.
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