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Post by gurnee50 on Jan 6, 2019 17:10:26 GMT -5
Just a quick update for the uninformed sports "experts" and twitter gangsters that seem to want to express their uninformed baseless opinions on Illini sports. Illinois has higher admittance standards for their student-athletes than every other school in the Big Ten. Every other school in the Big Ten, including Northwestern, will accept anyone that meets NCAA minimum standards for admittance. Illinois does not. For example, Juco linebacker Dru Mathis wanted to sign a NLI to play football at Illinois in December. Our school would not admit him because some of his courses were not accepted by our school. He was accepted by both UCLA and Oregon. He sign with Oregon. Our athletic department also has the harshest sanctions for any athlete who fails a drug test. Far above what any other school in the Big Ten or NCAA has in place.
Plenty of professionals in Europe come over to play NCAA sports. Take a look at the tennis players that won the national title for Wake Forest last year. Where was your outrage? European pro basketball leagues have sent hundreds of professional players over to the US colleges for decades. Why haven't you spoken up sooner?
As far as drugs go, I sat in a parents' meeting with a Big Ten football coach who expressed dismay over the number of players failing the schools' drug tests. He then proceeded to tell us the next date for the "random" drug testing and told our sons to "make good choices". He's still coaching Division I football.
And what about performing enhancing drugs like ADHD medication and SSRIs? Those drugs are allowed by the NCAA. Should we ban those too?
There are no "virgins" in college athletics. Both of my children played Big Ten sports. I know what I'm talking about.
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Post by vbkahuna on Jan 6, 2019 17:37:21 GMT -5
I know enough about the professionalism and integrity of these Illinois coaches to know that they wouldn't be pursuing this on behalf of this player unless they had substantial reason and knowledge of the facts to have the proper entity evaluate and adjudicate her situation. The people making these assertions about "trying to skirt the rules" are doing so without knowing all the facts and starting with the assumption that what they have read/heard about her situation is correct. The NCAA will study all the relevant information and make a definitive ruling. And Illinois will live with whatever that ruling will be...as they did this past season quite nicely. How many bites of the apple do you think it will take to determine whether she was a professional athlete or not? Most people are satisfied with one. No bites of the apple needed here. The NCAA has specific guidelines it applies to determine if a given athlete does or doesn't fall under those guidelines. And in the past, quite a few European volleyball players (and others) have been ruled as eligible to play. I'll wait until they make they determination. You? Apparently not.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 6, 2019 18:47:16 GMT -5
How many bites of the apple do you think it will take to determine whether she was a professional athlete or not? Most people are satisfied with one. No bites of the apple needed here. The NCAA has specific guidelines it applies to determine if a given athlete does or doesn't fall under those guidelines. And in the past, quite a few European volleyball players (and others) have been ruled as eligible to play. I'll wait until they make they determination. You? Apparently not. There is nothing unusual about an international athlete going through the process of determining their academic eligibility and/or amateur status. There are however a few things that are not typical in this situation, including that the athlete is subject to a professional ban for a positive doping result, that the athlete participated in practices (which is not an issue since there are specific guidelines to allow this temporarily pending a determination) but then did not appear on the roster, was subsequently reported to be seen with the team and reportedly enrolled at the institution. You are certainly free to view this situation uncritically, but anyone who has experience with these situations knows that the possible responses from the NCAA in this matter are limited and finite, and given how it has played out thus far, it's completely reasonable to view the situation with both skepticism and concern.
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Post by combes on Jan 6, 2019 21:11:32 GMT -5
Talk around the program is that Vrankovic will have to sit out the first seven matches but then be cleared to play.
Guess we will see what the NCAA ultimately decides.
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Post by brucks on Jan 7, 2019 13:17:21 GMT -5
No bites of the apple needed here. The NCAA has specific guidelines it applies to determine if a given athlete does or doesn't fall under those guidelines. And in the past, quite a few European volleyball players (and others) have been ruled as eligible to play. I'll wait until they make they determination. You? Apparently not. There is nothing unusual about an international athlete going through the process of determining their academic eligibility and/or amateur status. There are however a few things that are not typical in this situation, including that the athlete is subject to a professional ban for a positive doping result, that the athlete participated in practices (which is not an issue since there are specific guidelines to allow this temporarily pending a determination) but then did not appear on the roster, was subsequently reported to be seen with the team and reportedly enrolled at the institution. You are certainly free to view this situation uncritically, but anyone who has experience with these situations knows that the possible responses from the NCAA in this matter are limited and finite, and given how it has played out thus far, it's completely reasonable to view the situation with both skepticism and concern. When you say that she participated in practices are you referencing practices with her professional team or her collegiate team?
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 7, 2019 13:20:22 GMT -5
There is nothing unusual about an international athlete going through the process of determining their academic eligibility and/or amateur status. There are however a few things that are not typical in this situation, including that the athlete is subject to a professional ban for a positive doping result, that the athlete participated in practices (which is not an issue since there are specific guidelines to allow this temporarily pending a determination) but then did not appear on the roster, was subsequently reported to be seen with the team and reportedly enrolled at the institution. You are certainly free to view this situation uncritically, but anyone who has experience with these situations knows that the possible responses from the NCAA in this matter are limited and finite, and given how it has played out thus far, it's completely reasonable to view the situation with both skepticism and concern. When you say that she participated in practices are you referencing practices with her professional team or her collegiate team? I was referring to practicing with the Illini team during pre-season. I wasn't suggesting that was in itself inappropriate--it was correlated to being seen with the team after it was clear she was not going to be eligible/on the roster this season.
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Post by ilalum92 on Jan 9, 2019 1:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by oldmanvb on Jan 9, 2019 7:19:07 GMT -5
Lots of speculation about Chopra earlier this year, and she was reported sitting with parents of current players at a couple of matches. Someone else reported she was with Viliunas at the regional final. No one seemed to know if we were recruiting her.
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Post by oldmanvb on Jan 9, 2019 7:22:46 GMT -5
BTW, I certainly prefer reading about prospects who we may be recruiting and how recruits are doing in club, as opposed to trolling by judgmental fans of other programs.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 9, 2019 7:40:21 GMT -5
BTW, I certainly prefer reading about prospects who we may be recruiting and how recruits are doing in club, as opposed to trolling by judgmental fans of other programs. Of course you do.
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Post by brucks on Jan 9, 2019 14:54:09 GMT -5
Lots of speculation about Chopra earlier this year, and she was reported sitting with parents of current players at a couple of matches. Someone else reported she was with Viliunas at the regional final. No one seemed to know if we were recruiting her. I have seen her at some home matches sitting in the area where the parents sit. Her brother, of course, plays for Mike Small's golf squad. It was nice to see a blend of former and future Illini together at the regional matches. Many former players going all the way back to Kelly See. FWIW, Bruna was with that group too.
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Post by ilalum92 on Jan 9, 2019 19:17:28 GMT -5
Lots of speculation about Chopra earlier this year, and she was reported sitting with parents of current players at a couple of matches. Someone else reported she was with Viliunas at the regional final. No one seemed to know if we were recruiting her. I have seen her at some home matches sitting in the area where the parents sit. Her brother, of course, plays for Mike Small's golf squad. It was nice to see a blend of former and future Illini together at the regional matches. Many former players going all the way back to Kelly See. FWIW, Bruna was with that group too. If I were a betting man, and I am, my money is in Bruna staying on at Illinois and playing. Caveat- if the NCAA clears her.
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Post by northwoods on Jan 9, 2019 21:37:11 GMT -5
Just a quick update for the uninformed sports "experts" and twitter gangsters that seem to want to express their uninformed baseless opinions on Illini sports. Illinois has higher admittance standards for their student-athletes than every other school in the Big Ten. Every other school in the Big Ten, including Northwestern, will accept anyone that meets NCAA minimum standards for admittance. Illinois does not. For example, Juco linebacker Dru Mathis wanted to sign a NLI to play football at Illinois in December. Our school would not admit him because some of his courses were not accepted by our school. He was accepted by both UCLA and Oregon. He sign with Oregon. Our athletic department also has the harshest sanctions for any athlete who fails a drug test. Far above what any other school in the Big Ten or NCAA has in place. Plenty of professionals in Europe come over to play NCAA sports. Take a look at the tennis players that won the national title for Wake Forest last year. Where was your outrage? European pro basketball leagues have sent hundreds of professional players over to the US colleges for decades. Why haven't you spoken up sooner? As far as drugs go, I sat in a parents' meeting with a Big Ten football coach who expressed dismay over the number of players failing the schools' drug tests. He then proceeded to tell us the next date for the "random" drug testing and told our sons to "make good choices". He's still coaching Division I football. And what about performing enhancing drugs like ADHD medication and SSRIs? Those drugs are allowed by the NCAA. Should we ban those too? There are no "virgins" in college athletics. Both of my children played Big Ten sports. I know what I'm talking about. Just FYI, Illinois is not the only BIG10 school with admissions standards for athletes that exceed NCAA minimums. The rest of this post sounds like “everybody is using pro athletes and taking drugs, so what’s the big deal?” Every NCAA’ athlete takes an on-line course to clear the eligibility center. They enter their grades as part of it, but a huge portion of the course defines what they can’t do or take to maintain amateur status, and warns about the danger of steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. Is that all just BS? If I were a competing athlete and adhering to NCAA rules, I would resent competing against professionals who have used steroids.
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Post by charger0304 on Jan 9, 2019 23:15:13 GMT -5
Just a quick update for the uninformed sports "experts" and twitter gangsters that seem to want to express their uninformed baseless opinions on Illini sports. Illinois has higher admittance standards for their student-athletes than every other school in the Big Ten. Every other school in the Big Ten, including Northwestern, will accept anyone that meets NCAA minimum standards for admittance. Illinois does not. This is quite the grandiose statement. There are a handful of examples in recent years of volleyball athletes making verbal commitments to a Big Ten school and then not get admitted and play (and star) on another DI team.
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Post by badgerbill on Jan 10, 2019 7:27:30 GMT -5
...nor does Wisconsin. Check your facts
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