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Post by n00b on Feb 28, 2019 13:25:10 GMT -5
Try not to stress about it. This change will have almost no impact on your daughter. You will have 7 weeks or so in May and June when the coach can't reply to you, but you can still send updates and video every couple of weeks. Make sure the coaches all have your correct contact info so they can reach out directly on June 15. This is a much bigger deal for freshmen and younger who will have all contact cut off for a year or more. 7 weeks during a quiet period is not a big deal. You have time now before it takes effect and time after June 15 to figure out camps. No requirement to go to camps, BTW, unless for some reason coaches can't watch you in person. Right now you can't take a visit until Sept 1, so moving that up to Aug 1 will actually be a benefit. I strongly suggest August visits. You get to see the players and coaches at a real practice where they working hard and fast to get ready for the season. Gives you a much better insight, IMHO, than a spring visit where players are missing and coaches are relaxed. The problem with August visits is that school isn't in session. Hopefully, that is an important piece of the decision-making process. You won't get a real feel for campus on a class-day and the availability of meeting with academic people could be very limited.
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Post by volleav on Feb 28, 2019 13:49:46 GMT -5
How big will the rush be to get girls verbally committed before the rule change? Or will most coaches wait? And will coaches who have offers out push for a verbal commitment before the rule change?
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Post by n00b on Feb 28, 2019 14:11:51 GMT -5
How big will the rush be to get girls verbally committed before the rule change? Or will most coaches wait? And will coaches who have offers out push for a verbal commitment before the rule change? Also, how will a verbal of a PSA be viewed if the rules are passed saying it is explicitly invalid? My guess is most coaches will respect the verbal of a current 8th or 9th grader, but will all of them and should they? The coach making the offer is the part that will be outlawed, not the kid committing. To me, there's no reason to think that a verbal commitment would mean any less than it does now.
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Post by n00b on Feb 28, 2019 16:10:37 GMT -5
The coach making the offer is the part that will be outlawed, not the kid committing. To me, there's no reason to think that a verbal commitment would mean any less than it does now. I don't disagree with you, it's just that there is no real reason anybody honors them now and they are not honored in football and basketball, so I didn't know whether coaches would change how they view a verbal under the new rules. Once verbals are outlawed, there is obviously no stigma going after a player somebody else is recruiting. I don't see any reason why some coaches won't see that as a reason to continue to recruit verbal commits once the rules change. It's what you always say, if one or two coaches decide to do something and gain an advantage, then the rest will quickly follow so as not to fall behind. I'm not saying it will go that way, but I can see how it easily could. It's mutually assured chaos. When a coach has completed their class of 2020, they want to move on and not spend time watching that class. Similarly, committed kids don't want to be on the phone with new and different schools. If a college coach gets a reputation for not honoring their verbal offers, recruiting coordinators will make sure their players know that. Similarly, if a club develops a reputation for shopping their verbally committed kids to other schools, colleges will be hesitant to recruit from that club. I think breaking verbal commits (without a legitimate reason) will remain pretty taboo.
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 28, 2019 16:26:13 GMT -5
Can you ever reach the horizon?
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Post by bluepenquin on Feb 28, 2019 22:24:37 GMT -5
It's mutually assured chaos. When a coach has completed their class of 2020, they want to move on and not spend time watching that class. Similarly, committed kids don't want to be on the phone with new and different schools. If a college coach gets a reputation for not honoring their verbal offers, recruiting coordinators will make sure their players know that. Similarly, if a club develops a reputation for shopping their verbally committed kids to other schools, colleges will be hesitant to recruit from that club. I think breaking verbal commits (without a legitimate reason) will remain pretty taboo. You are talking about the past. There is zero reason for the courtesy of respecting verbals going forward because there won't be any. In the future it will be silly to say coaches will respect a verbal that had to be obtained by breaking the rules. The question is if that is the future, what will happen to the current crop of early commits? I'm not sure what the point is of respecting those verbals under the new rules (if they pass). I find this interesting and I am trying to better understand. Here is my guess/understanding of what will happen: 1) There will be a rush for verbal commits this month for the 2021-2023 classes. Last chance before the new rules with added pressure for some colleges and players. 2) Verbal commits still exist going forward for Juniors in HS. They then officially sign/commit in their senior season as it is now? Is this true? If so, I would expect those verbal commitment to be honored as much as they are now. 3) Will there be a higher percentage of broken commitments made during this next month? I think this is very possible. How players view verbal commitments made while being an 8th and 9th grader 2 or 3 years from now may be different than today. I don't think there will be a lot of broken commitments, but it stands to reason that it will happen more often than it currently happens for those 2022 and 2023 commitments. There may not be a stigma for those broken commitments.
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Post by n00b on Feb 28, 2019 22:32:31 GMT -5
It's mutually assured chaos. When a coach has completed their class of 2020, they want to move on and not spend time watching that class. Similarly, committed kids don't want to be on the phone with new and different schools. If a college coach gets a reputation for not honoring their verbal offers, recruiting coordinators will make sure their players know that. Similarly, if a club develops a reputation for shopping their verbally committed kids to other schools, colleges will be hesitant to recruit from that club. I think breaking verbal commits (without a legitimate reason) will remain pretty taboo. You are talking about the past. There is zero reason for the courtesy of respecting verbals going forward because there won't be any. In the future it will be silly to say coaches will respect a verbal that had to be obtained by breaking the rules. The question is if that is the future, what will happen to the current crop of early commits? I'm not sure what the point is of respecting those verbals under the new rules (if they pass). Oral offers of aid will occur Aug 1 before the PSA's junior year. NLIs are still signed in November of their senior year. Verbal commits will be the norm in the time between.
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 28, 2019 23:01:03 GMT -5
I just had 1.5 hours ethics training today. Reading these threads always make me realize I have it easy.
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Post by rvdadvb on Mar 1, 2019 8:00:12 GMT -5
The coaches we have talked to are working on the assumption that the legislation will pass. I'm well aware of the coming legislation but they kind of assume the families aren't up on it, so they warn that April might come around and they can't talk to us anymore until June, so they say not to worry that they've lost interest if that happens.
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Post by 642fiddi on Mar 1, 2019 12:04:13 GMT -5
The coach making the offer is the part that will be outlawed, not the kid committing. To me, there's no reason to think that a verbal commitment would mean any less than it does now. I don't disagree with you, it's just that there is no real reason anybody honors them now and they are not honored in football and basketball, so I didn't know whether coaches would change how they view a verbal under the new rules. Once verbals are outlawed, there is obviously no stigma going after a player somebody else is recruiting. I don't see any reason why some coaches won't see that as a reason to continue to recruit verbal commits once the rules change. It's what you always say, if one or two coaches decide to do something and gain an advantage, then the rest will quickly follow so as not to fall behind. I'm not saying it will go that way, but I can see how it easily could. It appears that the only people honoring verbal commitments are the SA and the coaches who are competing for said SA which makes them colluding accomplices.
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Post by 642fiddi on Mar 1, 2019 12:05:40 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you, it's just that there is no real reason anybody honors them now and they are not honored in football and basketball, so I didn't know whether coaches would change how they view a verbal under the new rules. Once verbals are outlawed, there is obviously no stigma going after a player somebody else is recruiting. I don't see any reason why some coaches won't see that as a reason to continue to recruit verbal commits once the rules change. It's what you always say, if one or two coaches decide to do something and gain an advantage, then the rest will quickly follow so as not to fall behind. I'm not saying it will go that way, but I can see how it easily could. It's mutually assured chaos. When a coach has completed their class of 2020, they want to move on and not spend time watching that class. Similarly, committed kids don't want to be on the phone with new and different schools. If a college coach gets a reputation for not honoring their verbal offers, recruiting coordinators will make sure their players know that. Similarly, if a club develops a reputation for shopping their verbally committed kids to other schools, colleges will be hesitant to recruit from that club. I think breaking verbal commits (without a legitimate reason) will remain pretty taboo. It hasn't seemed to have hurt nebraska
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 1, 2019 12:42:06 GMT -5
How many early commits (8th-10th grades) will reopen their recruitment to take advantage of more than just one expenses-paid official visit as juniors? In football/basketball this is called a "soft verbal".
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Post by volleav on Mar 1, 2019 13:54:09 GMT -5
How many early commits (8th-10th grades) will reopen their recruitment to take advantage of more than just one expenses-paid official visit as juniors? In football/basketball this is called a "soft verbal". Football and volleyball are very different recruiting wise. I’d hope none, but I probably have more faith that people aren’t looking for free trips than I should.
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Post by n00b on Mar 1, 2019 13:56:57 GMT -5
How many early commits (8th-10th grades) will reopen their recruitment to take advantage of more than just one expenses-paid official visit as juniors? In football/basketball this is called a "soft verbal". Only the ones that are willing to lose the initial verbal offer.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 2, 2019 0:06:46 GMT -5
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