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Post by retiredd1coach on Apr 11, 2019 0:30:59 GMT -5
I actually think this is a step in the right direction. Contact after your sophomore year is reasonable. The 90% of honest coaches will probably follow this rule. If the other 10% would do the same, I think it would soften the landscape in a positive way. But they won't. Don't understand how they will prevent club coaches from forwarding emails to parents. They aren't bound to any NCAA rules. Single day camps are out of control and will only get worse. They need to figure that out. College coaches coaching club needs work. I like the restriction that they can only coach 14 and under. Private camps run by clubs need to be prohibited, not just count as an evaluation day.
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Post by volleyparent on Apr 11, 2019 8:51:31 GMT -5
WOW. Thank you posting the Creighton paper. Answers my original question. BTW I think this is great and just the space my daughter needs. Anyone have negatives on this legislation? I think it will reduce the stress of freshman and sophomore year... but man, it will be a wild few months before junior year for the programs and the girls! I think the advantage for the girls will be that they will have more offers to consider at once rather than having deadlines and pressure to commit before they know their options. I have a sophomore who is talking to multiple coaches. They don't seem to be in a rush before the May 1 deadline. I am glad about that.
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Post by vbin58 on Apr 11, 2019 8:55:37 GMT -5
Fortunately, the NCAA cannot legislate rules for private volleyball clubs. Camps, individual and team camps are big moneymakers for club directors, owners and staff. Many clubs operate year round and many also take their instruction on the road during the summer months. Any college coach that wants to break the rules, will break the rules. There will always be coaches who stretch the rules to the inth degree.
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Post by rvdadvb on Apr 11, 2019 8:59:30 GMT -5
A drawback I see is there isn't as much time for the "under the radar" kid to get noticed. Without being able to communicate with the coaches, the higher profile clubs/players will garner even more of the pre-junior year attention, and the kid that is at the smaller club for whatever reason (geography, finances, multi-sport balance), but still talented, won't be as likely to get noticed because there isn't as much time to get the attention of the coaches.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 11, 2019 9:15:07 GMT -5
A drawback I see is there isn't as much time for the "under the radar" kid to get noticed. Without being able to communicate with the coaches, the higher profile clubs/players will garner even more of the pre-junior year attention, and the kid that is at the smaller club for whatever reason (geography, finances, multi-sport balance), but still talented, won't be as likely to get noticed because there isn't as much time to get the attention of the coaches. I would have thought the opposite - since no sophomore/freshman is committed - everyone is available at the same time and later than the current state. This makes 'late' risers more available in the sense that no one else would already have a commitment. However, if what you say is true (and since you are much closer to this than me, you are probably right) - wouldn't this put a premium on hard working college recruiting? Finding the 'gems' will take more work and the coaches that do the legwork will have an advantage.
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Post by rvdadvb on Apr 11, 2019 9:26:47 GMT -5
A drawback I see is there isn't as much time for the "under the radar" kid to get noticed. Without being able to communicate with the coaches, the higher profile clubs/players will garner even more of the pre-junior year attention, and the kid that is at the smaller club for whatever reason (geography, finances, multi-sport balance), but still talented, won't be as likely to get noticed because there isn't as much time to get the attention of the coaches. I would have thought the opposite - since no sophomore/freshman is committed - everyone is available at the same time and later than the current state. This makes 'late' risers more available in the sense that no one else would already have a commitment. However, if what you say is true (and since you are much closer to this than me, you are probably right) - wouldn't this put a premium on hard working college recruiting? Finding the 'gems' will take more work and the coaches that do the legwork will have an advantage. Hmmmm... could be right. I guess I'm looking at it from the perspective of the under-the-radar PSA that worries (maybe overly so for Dad ) about whether they will be able to be noticed. I guess it's one of those things that will just have to play out and see how things are effected. Regardless, I do see the overall change as much needed and necessary. It was getting way out of control. Let the kids be kids as much as possible.
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Post by retiredd1coach on Apr 11, 2019 9:57:01 GMT -5
If your daughter is "under the radar" and you are waiting to get noticed, you are committing recruiting suicide. Those kids rarely get noticed, especially if they play in the American division. Get an honest appraisal of what level she is at and what she needs to do to get better. Email schools that are a reasonable fit. Work hard at improving physically and skill wise. Keep updating a highlight video with newer and better examples of her skill and physicality. Keep her free UA profile up to date.
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Post by n00b on Apr 11, 2019 10:10:10 GMT -5
WOW. Thank you posting the Creighton paper. Answers my original question. BTW I think this is great and just the space my daughter needs. Anyone have negatives on this legislation? I think the theory that recruiting will start later isn't true. Coaches can and will tell club coach "we're interested in Jenny". And they can say that but they can't say anything about where Jenny is on their list (#1 for a scholarship or a potential walk-on). Then Jenny will get a camp email from the school. So to think that freshmen and sophomores will be able to avoid the process is false. They just can't talk to the coaches on the phone. The athlete and parent now have little control over the situation and much less information to work with. So yes, some will just not start the process until their junior year but others will feel pressured to go to a bunch of camps, not knowing if the school sees them as a potential starter or as a walkon. Then when the contact/visit period begins, I foresee a lot of very quick deadlines being imposed upon the recruits. The recruiting process will now happen in a more condensed timeline, so coaches won't let players sit on offers for very long before moving onto option 2. I'm all for recruits committing later, but those are the negatives. We'll have to see over the next couple years whether this ends up as a positive.
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Post by MonicaGeller on Apr 11, 2019 18:08:12 GMT -5
So all these 2022 and 2023 girls that are committing verbally right now will not be able to talk to their coaches for a couple years - well, that will be interesting......
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 11, 2019 18:10:14 GMT -5
Here is the info that bluepenquin referred to above from Creighton's twitter. Very informative on the issue. How is this going to be enforced. Does the NCAA have access to coaches emails etc? How do they enforce this rule?
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Post by vbjustice on Apr 11, 2019 18:18:45 GMT -5
So all these 2022 and 2023 girls that are committing verbally right now will not be able to talk to their coaches for a couple years - well, that will be interesting...... I guarantee you girls will change their minds etc. out of sight, out of mind? there’s such a thing as keeping a recruit warm. Not sure they will be able to achieve this, but I’m sure they’ll find creative loopholes
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Post by volleav on Apr 11, 2019 20:29:40 GMT -5
JVA also says May 1.
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Post by itsallrelative on Apr 12, 2019 13:48:46 GMT -5
Here is the info that bluepenquin referred to above from Creighton's twitter. Very informative on the issue. How is this going to be enforced. Does the NCAA have access to coaches emails etc? How do they enforce this rule? I know schools where coaches are only allowed to talk to PSAs on the school-based cell, with monitoring software for coaches to categorize calls. There are people whose sole job is compliance.... www.google.com/amp/s/amp.greenvilleonline.com/amp/735027002
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Post by Friday on Apr 15, 2019 21:45:27 GMT -5
It seems that the coaches my daughter is talking with aren't completely in favor of the new rules. While they agree something has to change, it seems these proposed changes swing too far the other direction.
All the new rules do is shorten the timeline - they don't change it. The goal is to reduce pressure/stress on the PSA when really I think it will just add pressure on them. Girls are going to be asked to commit or schools will move on to the next in line. There is going to be a rush. Plus my costs have increased as the focus to camps/clinics increases. There is only so much time and money to go around. Right now she knows which schools are showing the most interest and that is where we go, but in a few weeks who knows. Big guessing game as to how/where we use our time and financial resources.
The shame is the rules are trying to legislate a small portion of the population. Per prepvolleyball, there are 22 class of 2022 commits and 2 class of 2023. There are more 2021s, but there has also been a big uptick it seems in commits recently ahead of the new rules. Most of these girls are the cream of the crop so no matter the timeline they will have their pick.
I'd be all for no offers until Junior year, but allow them to talk and allow them to visit on their own dime. The girls and their families have control over that process. If they want in, they can be. If they aren't ready, then they can do so when they are.
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Post by ned3vball on Apr 15, 2019 22:23:45 GMT -5
Seems like a good spot to restate the theory behind this. The NCAA wants it to be a college search and application process - with a chance to play volleyball. Not simply a volleyball recruiting process, and by the way you can go to school too. Spend sophomore year being a normal student and make a list of schools you might want to go to. If the only schools you are considering are the schools who might offer some athletic scholarship benefit, OK fine, that can be done junior year.
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