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Post by badgerblockparty on Feb 12, 2019 16:04:49 GMT -5
I see them listed in the standings, but none of their four registered teams have played a match yet... They have played matches, but not after seeding was done. You can see how they did in seeding here... results.advancedeventsystems.com/event/PTAwMDAwMTYyNDg90/clubs/23039/standingsMy understanding is that they did not attend last weekend because they had a prior commitment? Either way, they definitely played the 1st weekend of WCPL as you can see from the AES link. Sting does have 4 teams in the WCPL. They are not eligible for a national bid for this league because they are not in the region. They took the last date off because it would have meant their teams playing 7 or 8 weeks in a row. It is my understanding that they will be playing in the last 2 scheduled dates and should be holding their seed but i’m not sure that is guaranteed.
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Post by n00b on Feb 12, 2019 16:33:12 GMT -5
Sting does have 4 teams in the WCPL. They are not eligible for a national bid for this league because they are not in the region. They took the last date off because it would have meant their teams playing 7 or 8 weeks in a row. It is my understanding that they will be playing in the last 2 scheduled dates and should be holding their seed but i’m not sure that is guaranteed. Nope. Looks like they are now in the brackets as if they had gone 0-3 on each of the days they missed. Sting 17 Gold finished their last actual play date as the #3 seed. Winless first day would've slotted them into Bracket B. 0-3 on Day 2 would drop them to C, which is where they are now. Tough break for 1st Alliance 17 Silver who should in theory be playing the #27 seed. Instead, they have to play that Sting team who realistically should be #3.
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Post by boh on Feb 12, 2019 23:55:44 GMT -5
Sting does have 4 teams in the WCPL. They are not eligible for a national bid for this league because they are not in the region. They took the last date off because it would have meant their teams playing 7 or 8 weeks in a row. It is my understanding that they will be playing in the last 2 scheduled dates and should be holding their seed but i’m not sure that is guaranteed. Nope. Looks like they are now in the brackets as if they had gone 0-3 on each of the days they missed. Sting 17 Gold finished their last actual play date as the #3 seed. Winless first day would've slotted them into Bracket B. 0-3 on Day 2 would drop them to C, which is where they are now. Tough break for 1st Alliance 17 Silver who should in theory be playing the #27 seed. Instead, they have to play that Sting team who realistically should be #3. Yeah except they show some forfeits too, so they put themselves in that position as well.
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Post by badgerblockparty on Feb 13, 2019 0:07:45 GMT -5
Nope. Looks like they are now in the brackets as if they had gone 0-3 on each of the days they missed. Sting 17 Gold finished their last actual play date as the #3 seed. Winless first day would've slotted them into Bracket B. 0-3 on Day 2 would drop them to C, which is where they are now. Tough break for 1st Alliance 17 Silver who should in theory be playing the #27 seed. Instead, they have to play that Sting team who realistically should be #3. Yeah except they show some forfeits too, so they put themselves in that position as well. Who showed forfeits?
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Post by rogero1 on Feb 13, 2019 6:33:47 GMT -5
Problem is if you end up in the wrong group of 16 teams. You end up getting thumped for 15 straight matches or winning a bunch of blowouts. Which happened to be a huge problem with WCPL v1.0 The old GLPL originally had only 2 teams moving up or down when clubs started to complain about seeing the same teams every play date. Hence, the increase to 3 teams moving up or down instead of 2. This only took a few years before other clubs threatened to leave or left because 1 or 2 of the 3 matches they were playing were the same teams every play date. Teams were getting accustomed to playing the same style of teams and not learning anything new because they did not win at Nationals when they couldn’t adapt to a different style of play. WCPL 1.0 tried to answer the bottom feeder problem of playing the same teams over and over by increasing to a 16 team pool. Unfortunately, this can’t be applied to the mid-level and top teams as they will sort themselves to their level using brackets. One format is not applicable for every level of play. When you increase the number of teams, adjustments need to be made for the level of play to keep things interesting. Brackets are fine for the top half. Big round robin pools are good for the lower half (which do not have a chance for a bid).
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Post by rogero1 on Feb 13, 2019 6:46:16 GMT -5
I agree that they do volleyball right. I would go so far to correct your statement that "for everything wrong with that club" because it's not the club itself that's the issue. My kid, myself, we both really loved her experiences there and she regrets moving on somewhere else. There actually is a fair population of parents and kids that aren't fans of the intensity of it all (Sports Performance) and move on the next year only to be right back at SPRI the year after that. When she was there there seemed to be a trend where several girls left at 14's and were back at SPRI their 16's year. Off the top of my head I know three girls just in my girls age group that did that, that's just one year. The one mom mentioned to me that her daughter really missed the kind of training she was getting there (when she left was put on a 1's team at her new club, much like my own kid, hated that club and the cliqueness she experienced because the girls acted a certain way toward her, maybe because their team was pretty unchanged for several years and when she went in it was a culture shake up to the team (as well as the girl). I think this mirrors experiences my own kid had when she left SPRI. A little research has shown that SPRI has done many things right from the GLPL format to the numerous National Championships from 15's to 18's. Their Collegiate placement is fantastic, from D1 through D3. Some may not like the man, but he does volleyball very well. One huge advantage SPVB has is experience in running their club, facility, and tourneys. It took a lot of trial and error before they settled on finding their successful formula. A new club starting up may think they know everything about volleyball, but until you start running into the problems of a big club you really don’t know squat. That is why so many kids club jump because they/their parents think it is better at another club.
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Post by rogero1 on Feb 13, 2019 6:52:57 GMT -5
I am a little confused why 1 club (out of MANY hosting) not cleaning a table last year means that WCPL is broken. Level of play is solid in 17/18 Open. It'd be great to have a few more of the top teams from the area in WCPL, but the top bracket or two are just as solid as last years GLPL and that was without Sting being there last weekend. It's more than one facility I'm hearing complaints about. The new CVL is get great reviews about both facilities and competition. The WCPL just seems to be a step down. CVL is a second tier league to WCPL & GLPL. Chicago City Cup Series is a bottom tier league. Both might have great competition, but that is due to the level of teams playing in those leagues. As for the level of facilities, how do you know what is nice and not so nice if you only are at one or two places and never look past your nose?
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Post by deohge on Feb 13, 2019 7:20:17 GMT -5
It's more than one facility I'm hearing complaints about. The new CVL is get great reviews about both facilities and competition. The WCPL just seems to be a step down. CVL is a second tier league to WCPL & GLPL. Chicago City Cup Series is a bottom tier league. Both might have great competition, but that is due to the level of teams playing in those leagues. As for the level of facilities, how do you know what is nice and not so nice if you only are at one or two places and never look past your nose? The information I received about facilities and competition came from parents that have daughters playing in all three leagues. I suppose everybody has different things they are looking for in both.
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Post by n00b on Feb 13, 2019 8:31:48 GMT -5
Yeah except they show some forfeits too, so they put themselves in that position as well. Who showed forfeits? 1st Alliance 17s skipped seeding day 2 (of 3). However, even after that dropped them they finished 2nd of 3 in their last seeding pool. Then 5th out of 8 on the opening day of league play in Bracket C.
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Post by mykidplaysvball on Feb 15, 2019 20:59:58 GMT -5
It seems once again the WCPL has started to break down again even though they have adopted the GLPL format. There are just somethings you can't fix. I am a little confused why 1 club (out of MANY hosting) not cleaning a table last year means that WCPL is broken. Level of play is solid in 17/18 Open. It'd be great to have a few more of the top teams from the area in WCPL, but the top bracket or two are just as solid as last years GLPL and that was without Sting being there last weekend. Yeah, I don't know someone made the leap about the table to the WCPL being broken. Not having visited the other sites I was curious what other people thought (mostly to determine whether to bring our youngest kids - some facilities are better for spending a day then others with little ones). I have no issues at all with how the WCPL is running.
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Post by deohge on Feb 15, 2019 23:46:14 GMT -5
I am a little confused why 1 club (out of MANY hosting) not cleaning a table last year means that WCPL is broken. Level of play is solid in 17/18 Open. It'd be great to have a few more of the top teams from the area in WCPL, but the top bracket or two are just as solid as last years GLPL and that was without Sting being there last weekend. Yeah, I don't know someone made the leap about the table to the WCPL being broken. Not having visited the other sites I was curious what other people thought (mostly to determine whether to bring our youngest kids - some facilities are better for spending a day then others with little ones). I have no issues at all with how the WCPL is running. You asked "which is the best WCPL facility to play in?" I was just stating they are all run down, Like the league. No jump, just facts.
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Post by rogero1 on Feb 16, 2019 3:48:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know someone made the leap about the table to the WCPL being broken. Not having visited the other sites I was curious what other people thought (mostly to determine whether to bring our youngest kids - some facilities are better for spending a day then others with little ones). I have no issues at all with how the WCPL is running. You asked "which is the best WCPL facility to play in?" I was just stating they are all run down, Like the league. No jump, just facts. So is the league run down compared to what? GLPL? WCPL v.1?
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 17, 2019 13:52:11 GMT -5
You asked "which is the best WCPL facility to play in?" I was just stating they are all run down, Like the league. No jump, just facts. So is the league run down compared to what? GLPL? WCPL v.1? I think that’s just a bunch of trash talk but agreeing about the majority of the facilities. Not all, as we’ve established. Some are nice but no a/c and some are nice but poor layouts. Some are ok when you walk in but the water (AHEM A BIG DEAL) isn’t pottable. This is not opinion but facts. IMHO in that last situation (Fusion Marengo you know I’m calling you out) you shouldn’t be hosting any events at all until a water situation like that is rectified or you provide people with water. End of story. Granted again this may be an old issue but as recent as last season it was still a thing. In that particular situation I hear they may have bigger fish to fry. Lent is coming up soon 😂
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Post by boh on Mar 18, 2019 10:12:59 GMT -5
Crazy finish with lots of upsets for the last weekend of WCPL. Congrats to Sky High 17 Black for winning the entire thing.
Lots of 16's and 17's teams finishing in the top 20
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Post by ikamtm on Apr 1, 2019 19:14:05 GMT -5
Great Lakes Region and WCPL will surely suffer. A Board member told me that the know nothing commissioner announced Sunday at a BOD meeting that the CFO Angelo is leaving. He and Donna were the glue that held GL together. If this is true, GL & WCPL will be in big trouble. They said he pretty much does everything with the league and qualifier. I guess he is taking the high road by saying he is retiring but the truth is (according to my source) that he grew very tired of doing the commissioners job and witnessing her backdoor attempt to derail the WCPL because they would not give her a say in any of the decision making. Considering she knows next to nothing about club volleyball or Region rules, I can't say I blame them. So sad to see another dedicated hardworking person leave. Time will tell.
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