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Post by fandad on Feb 5, 2019 15:55:22 GMT -5
I could make a case for Mt. Mercy to get some votes considering they beat Siena Hts over the weekend. Also, add Menlo College to the discussion and that new Golden State Conference out west is going to produce a really exciting race the rest of the season. And now that I look closer, how does St. Xavier warrant any votes. They haven't actually beaten another NAIA team. All their wins are over D3 opponents, and not really even any good ones.
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Post by Miva2017 on Feb 5, 2019 20:52:05 GMT -5
They beat quincy which is d1/d2 level in 4 sets so perhaps that got them some looks...
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Feb 6, 2019 9:00:25 GMT -5
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Post by digs4days on Feb 6, 2019 9:00:25 GMT -5
Mount Mercy defeats Grandview in 5 at Grandview. Watched the match and there are a lot of glaring issues for GVU. It just wasn't good volleyball. Sure chapman is a monster but it's literally 2 guys who can score.... not a well rounded team and I see them struggling. Regardless of who GVU is... Mount mercy is a terrible loss and GVU should drop considerably for it.
Saw park for the first time against graceland. Park won 3-0 but it wasn't because park looked good but that Graceland looked that bad. It was ugly volleyball to watch.
I'm thinking the park over ben u win was a fluke win at park. I think that until MoBap loses, they could be argued at 1. I have still yet to see a few teams but I have seen MoBap now 3-4 times and they look really really good, much better than Park and GVU, they are just way more well rounded.
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Post by fandad on Feb 6, 2019 10:11:51 GMT -5
They beat quincy which is d1/d2 level in 4 sets so perhaps that got them some looks... You are correct. Sorry I missed that. Although, in my defense, I would offer that Quincy is not much better than a D3 team right now.
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Post by fandad on Feb 6, 2019 10:17:56 GMT -5
Mount Mercy defeats Grandview in 5 at Grandview. Watched the match and there are a lot of glaring issues for GVU. It just wasn't good volleyball. Sure chapman is a monster but it's literally 2 guys who can score.... not a well rounded team and I see them struggling. Regardless of who GVU is... Mount mercy is a terrible loss and GVU should drop considerably for it. Saw park for the first time against graceland. Park won 3-0 but it wasn't because park looked good but that Graceland looked that bad. It was ugly volleyball to watch. I'm thinking the park over ben u win was a fluke win at park. I think that until MoBap loses, they could be argued at 1. I have still yet to see a few teams but I have seen MoBap now 3-4 times and they look really really good, much better than Park and GVU, they are just way more well rounded. I agree about MoBap. They looked very good in the match I saw them play. I also agree it's a surprise that GVU would lose to a Mt. Mercy, but Mt. Mercy is playing some really good ball right now. They had a really good showing at the Judson tourney last weekend and they are really coming on. They started the season with a bad loss to D3 Loras, but have performed well since, including wins over Ottawa and Siena Hts.
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Post by digs4days on Feb 6, 2019 10:43:11 GMT -5
They beat quincy which is d1/d2 level in 4 sets so perhaps that got them some looks... You are correct. Sorry I missed that. Although, in my defense, I would offer that Quincy is not much better than a D3 team right now. I would have to disagree about Mt Mercy. Going 4-0 at a bad tournament is nothing to write home about. They have some pretty awful losses and have not beaten anyone in my opinion besides now Grandview. Ottawa is far from a good win as I watched them in the St. Ambrose match and it was not good volleyball. I'm not saying Grandview is bad by any stretch but they are not #1 from what I saw last night. Mount Mercy wasn't bad but I don't see them as a top 10 team... they got Crushed by mo bap.... Mo Bap has played Mt Mercy who is now a common opponent to Grandview and Park and clearly outmatched them both against Mt Mercy. Has MoBap played any other common opponents to any other top teams? FanDad you seem to have a lot more time looking at all the schedules, do you have any insight on this? Btw, I meant to quote your other post
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Post by fandad on Feb 6, 2019 11:27:05 GMT -5
You are correct. Sorry I missed that. Although, in my defense, I would offer that Quincy is not much better than a D3 team right now. I would have to disagree about Mt Mercy. Going 4-0 at a bad tournament is nothing to write home about. They have some pretty awful losses and have not beaten anyone in my opinion besides now Grandview. Ottawa is far from a good win as I watched them in the St. Ambrose match and it was not good volleyball. I'm not saying Grandview is bad by any stretch but they are not #1 from what I saw last night. Mount Mercy wasn't bad but I don't see them as a top 10 team... they got Crushed by mo bap.... Mo Bap has played Mt Mercy who is now a common opponent to Grandview and Park and clearly outmatched them both against Mt Mercy. Has MoBap played any other common opponents to any other top teams? FanDad you seem to have a lot more time looking at all the schedules, do you have any insight on this? Btw, I meant to quote your other post The only other common opponent between MoBap and Park is Missouri Valley. Park and MoBap both handled MoVal very easily. Looking at MoVal's schedule, they have split two matchups with Ottawa, who Mt. Mercy has also beaten. I respect your opinion and I will remain cautious about Mt. Mercy. The proof for Mt. Mercy is coming with some more tough competition over the next week and a half. They get St. Ambrose (who I agree is probably not as good as first thought), Clarke, and Aquinas (!!) among others in the next 10 days. We'll know more about them after those matches. I would argue the awful losses for Mt. Mercy a little, though. Besides the Loras loss I mentioned and the losses to Park and MoBap, their only other loss was to Briar Cliff. Now BC is down from last year, but hardly a pushover. Just to be clear, though, after all that is said, I don't see Mt. Mercy as a national champion contender, but I do think I'm arguing that they deserve consideration for top 10. That belief could all come crashing down within the next 2 weeks, but I'm looking forward to seeing. As for Quincy, they have also been beaten by MoBap, Lourdes, and D3 Benedictine(IL). I hope for the best for Coach Mueller and his program in coming years, though.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:25:04 GMT -5
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Post by digs4days on Feb 6, 2019 14:25:04 GMT -5
I would have to disagree about Mt Mercy. Going 4-0 at a bad tournament is nothing to write home about. They have some pretty awful losses and have not beaten anyone in my opinion besides now Grandview. Ottawa is far from a good win as I watched them in the St. Ambrose match and it was not good volleyball. I'm not saying Grandview is bad by any stretch but they are not #1 from what I saw last night. Mount Mercy wasn't bad but I don't see them as a top 10 team... they got Crushed by mo bap.... Mo Bap has played Mt Mercy who is now a common opponent to Grandview and Park and clearly outmatched them both against Mt Mercy. Has MoBap played any other common opponents to any other top teams? FanDad you seem to have a lot more time looking at all the schedules, do you have any insight on this? Btw, I meant to quote your other post The only other common opponent between MoBap and Park is Missouri Valley. Park and MoBap both handled MoVal very easily. Looking at MoVal's schedule, they have split two matchups with Ottawa, who Mt. Mercy has also beaten. I respect your opinion and I will remain cautious about Mt. Mercy. The proof for Mt. Mercy is coming with some more tough competition over the next week and a half. They get St. Ambrose (who I agree is probably not as good as first thought), Clarke, and Aquinas (!!) among others in the next 10 days. We'll know more about them after those matches. I would argue the awful losses for Mt. Mercy a little, though. Besides the Loras loss I mentioned and the losses to Park and MoBap, their only other loss was to Briar Cliff. Now BC is down from last year, but hardly a pushover. Just to be clear, though, after all that is said, I don't see Mt. Mercy as a national champion contender, but I do think I'm arguing that they deserve consideration for top 10. That belief could all come crashing down within the next 2 weeks, but I'm looking forward to seeing. As for Quincy, they have also been beaten by MoBap, Lourdes, and D3 Benedictine(IL). I hope for the best for Coach Mueller and his program in coming years, though. [ That's all interesting. I hadn't realized that Quincy had played that many non D1/2 teams. Out of the top 5, So far I have seen MoBap, GVU, and Park play. I have still not seen BenU Mesa or Lourdes Play so I am unsure where they fit in the puzzle yet.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:49:38 GMT -5
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Post by stevedraco123 on Feb 6, 2019 14:49:38 GMT -5
The only other common opponent between MoBap and Park is Missouri Valley. Park and MoBap both handled MoVal very easily. Looking at MoVal's schedule, they have split two matchups with Ottawa, who Mt. Mercy has also beaten. I respect your opinion and I will remain cautious about Mt. Mercy. The proof for Mt. Mercy is coming with some more tough competition over the next week and a half. They get St. Ambrose (who I agree is probably not as good as first thought), Clarke, and Aquinas (!!) among others in the next 10 days. We'll know more about them after those matches. I would argue the awful losses for Mt. Mercy a little, though. Besides the Loras loss I mentioned and the losses to Park and MoBap, their only other loss was to Briar Cliff. Now BC is down from last year, but hardly a pushover. Just to be clear, though, after all that is said, I don't see Mt. Mercy as a national champion contender, but I do think I'm arguing that they deserve consideration for top 10. That belief could all come crashing down within the next 2 weeks, but I'm looking forward to seeing. As for Quincy, they have also been beaten by MoBap, Lourdes, and D3 Benedictine(IL). I hope for the best for Coach Mueller and his program in coming years, though. [ That's all interesting. I hadn't realized that Quincy had played that many non D1/2 teams. Out of the top 5, So far I have seen MoBap, GVU, and Park play. I have still not seen BenU Mesa or Lourdes Play so I am unsure where they fit in the puzzle yet. Quincy’s only two D1/D2 wins are Alderson Broaddus and Limestone
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Post by vballguy7 on Feb 6, 2019 15:21:29 GMT -5
Quincy's D1/D2 losses are to Long Beach State and Barton - losses to NAIA Lourdes and MoBapt were both 3-1 and not excusing but they are top 10 NAIA - loss to St Xavier was 2nd game after a 5 setter earlier in day to former GA coach - bad but.....I believe you will see Benedictine near the top 5 in DIII at end of day - they have size, skill and play tough D
Will be interested to see if they can get a couple of MIVA wins this year
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Post by fandad on Feb 6, 2019 16:20:01 GMT -5
Does anybody know what's up with Calumet College of St. Joseph's? All of the matches they had scheduled this year are marked as Cancelled. Their roster only has 7 players listed. Will they play at all this season? Problems obviously, but of what kind? And will it only affect this year?
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Feb 6, 2019 20:33:37 GMT -5
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Post by WildwoodVB on Feb 6, 2019 20:33:37 GMT -5
How good can Aquinas be? And do they have a match on their schedule besides Lourdes that will show us?
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Feb 6, 2019 20:51:03 GMT -5
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Post by digs4days on Feb 6, 2019 20:51:03 GMT -5
How good can Aquinas be? And do they have a match on their schedule besides Lourdes that will show us? Funny that you posted this, I was just about to post how I just watched them tonight and was really impressed. Way more impressed with their play then what I have seen from Grandview and Park. They were playing a less than stellar Lawrence Tech but hey, they took care of business against a weaker team. I think Aquinas could be a force after seeing them tonight. I am unsure what Lourdes looks like this year but they might have some problems. You said, "besides lourdes" have you seen them to shed any light? Looks like Aquinas swept Clarke and Cardinal Stritch. Looks like their best matches per their schedule will be Lourdes, Mt Mercy (since they just beat GVU and a common opponent will be interesting to see so close together to compare), and Menlo who is RV I think. Aquinas will be a top national competitor I am thinking. they look like Ottawa 2.0 with all SoCal JuCO transplants
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Feb 6, 2019 21:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by WildwoodVB on Feb 6, 2019 21:12:26 GMT -5
I haven’t seen either. 13-0 is impressive though for a year one program. Lourdes returns a couple solid players, but it was always so difficult to dictate how good they were with their schedule - I worried that adding a WHAC schedule would hurt them but maybe that won’t be too bad.
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Post by fandad on Feb 7, 2019 11:40:25 GMT -5
Missouri Valley Viking Invitational Participants Culver-Stockton (Mo.) Graceland (Iowa) Missouri Valley Ottawa (Kan.) Park (Mo.) Scheduled Matches
February 08, 2019 Missouri Valley vs Graceland (Iowa) 1:00 PM Culver-Stockton (Mo.) vs Park (Mo.) 3:00 PM Missouri Valley vs Park (Mo.) 5:00 PM Ottawa (Kan.) vs Culver-Stockton (Mo.) 7:00 PM
February 09, 2019 Graceland (Iowa) vs Park (Mo.) 11:00 AM Graceland (Iowa) vs Ottawa (Kan.) 1:00 PM Missouri Valley vs Ottawa (Kan.) 3:00 PM
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