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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2019 18:33:39 GMT -5
LOL...I have just been reading the articles back then sharing how Cepero was re-inventing the setter position. One was posted on USC's website but they are all ignorant I am sure compared to you. I am just so impressed that you have so much confidence in your own opinion. Was Cepero reinventing the setter position in NCAA women's volleyball? Or women's volleyball in general? Big difference. It doesn't matter because it's not the case in either scenario. Cepero was a good player no doubt, and she may have been hyped as the next big thing, but it didn't actually pan out that way. There's a big difference between being good and revolutionizing or reinventing the position.
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Post by Victory At Hand on Jan 10, 2019 18:43:33 GMT -5
She changed the game whether you like it or not. Coaches started looking for big, athletic players who could block the left side as well as set. They also began looking for setters that could score at will. Her sophomore season as I addressed in the previous post was her best . if she could have kept her head on straight she would have been lights out successful. The Cuban setters changed the setter position, not Cepero. And she was only a pale image of them. The idea that coaches started looking for tall athletic setters because of Cepero is simplistic and simply wrong. Cepero pales in comparison to Misty May, who is 5'9 and can do everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 18:45:47 GMT -5
Was Cepero reinventing the setter position in NCAA women's volleyball? Or women's volleyball in general? Big difference. It doesn't matter because it's not the case in either scenario. Cepero was a good player no doubt, and she may have been hyped as the next big thing, but it didn't actually pan out that way. There's a big difference between being good and revolutionizing or reinventing the position. My question was more or less, rhetorical. I had already liked one of your prior posts, and I assumed you would have figured that 1. I had already agreed with you and 2. My question was making light of their argument, and the "support" (a USC article) of said argument.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2019 18:55:19 GMT -5
It doesn't matter because it's not the case in either scenario. Cepero was a good player no doubt, and she may have been hyped as the next big thing, but it didn't actually pan out that way. There's a big difference between being good and revolutionizing or reinventing the position. My question was more or less, rhetorical. I had already liked one of your prior posts, and I assumed you would have figured that 1. I had already agreed with you and 2. My question was making light of their argument, and the "support" (a USC article) of said argument. I did understand your post more or less that way. I was just anticipating that it was an opening that would lead to the argument that Cepero changed "NCAA" volleyball.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 10, 2019 18:58:33 GMT -5
Is it better to revolutionize how a position is played, or to not because what you did couldn't be replicated by anyone else?
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Post by holidayhusker on Jan 10, 2019 19:17:58 GMT -5
LOL...I have just been reading the articles back then sharing how Cepero was re-inventing the setter position. One was posted on USC's website but they are all ignorant I am sure compared to you. I am just so impressed that you have so much confidence in your own opinion. Was Cepero reinventing the setter position in NCAA women's volleyball? Or women's volleyball in general? Big difference. I agree and no...I was referrring to the NCAAs and at the time,( people have short memories it seems) she was not the typical setter at all. That was a ways back.
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Post by holidayhusker on Jan 10, 2019 19:19:13 GMT -5
My question was more or less, rhetorical. I had already liked one of your prior posts, and I assumed you would have figured that 1. I had already agreed with you and 2. My question was making light of their argument, and the "support" (a USC article) of said argument. I did understand your post more or less that way. I was just anticipating that it was an opening that would lead to the argument that Cepero changed "NCAA" volleyball. You have a friend. That is just charming.
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Post by holidayhusker on Jan 10, 2019 19:20:22 GMT -5
The Cuban setters changed the setter position, not Cepero. And she was only a pale image of them. The idea that coaches started looking for tall athletic setters because of Cepero is simplistic and simply wrong. Cepero pales in comparison to Misty May, who is 5'9 and can do everything. I am sure, just like Plummer and Barboza...all that hype.
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Post by bballnut90 on Jan 10, 2019 19:52:29 GMT -5
If I made a roster itd have: Plummer-no brainer pick at outside. 2x champion and 2x POY with a season left Foecke-2x MOP, 2x champion, lacks individual honors but balled out in a massive way in every semifinal/championship Ajanaku-POY candidate 2 years, very physical middle who won a title. Was huge in leading Stanford back to the semis after a drought. Washington-another POY candidate and likely a 4x 1st team all american if she didnt miss so many games as a freshman. Outstanding attacker. Hamson-I dont think she stacks up well with the likes of many outsides, but she was dominant as a RS attacker and led BYU to a title game appearance. Didnt include Blair Brown since she was only playing for 1 year (2010). Lauren Carlini-toss up for me between her and Hancock, but I think what she accomplished at Wisconsin was truly remarkable...the program went 5 straight years without a tournament appearance and she led an unheralded group to a title appearance where they put up a huge fight against a loaded Penn State team. Carlini was a standout every year even though she never made it back despite coming close (two 5 set losses and an injury as a soph) Hentz-best libero in the nation all 3 years IMO. Just a ridiculous digger and has 2 titles to her name. 2nd team: OH-Vansant, stud outside for Wash OH-Eckerman, another beast on the outside all 4 years MB-Rettke, statistically just incredible as a middle. Likely a 4x 1st Teamer. MB-Alhassan, immensely physical and a dominant force at Florida. Led team to first Final Four in 14 years. RS-Nwanebu, the 2 years when she was on were incredible. Arguably the weakest of the bunch though. S-Hancock, easily could be on 1st team L-Hagglund, incredible defender Noteworthy: S: Poulter SSS OH: Bricio Jupiter Danielson RJP RS: Bergsma Ariel Scott Lowe MB: Chiaka Adams L: JWO As I "liked" the above, I feel that it was pretty 'spot-on'; save for one "noteworthy". S: Gray (Really!) I think Gray could definitely be on the HM list here after next year. I thought she was a solid step below SSS and Poulter this year so I wouldn't include her yet. I personally think she should've been 2nd team AA the past two years, but when her career wraps up with likely 4 Final Fours and 2 (or 3) titles as a 5-1 setter, her resume will stack up favorably with anyone.
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Post by After Dawn on Jan 10, 2019 21:42:32 GMT -5
best serve/block team...
Bricio,Taylor,Hancock
stack the block with Ajanaku,Ogbogu/Alhassan,Plummer
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Post by naujack85 on Jan 11, 2019 0:44:07 GMT -5
best serve/block team... Bricio,Taylor,Hancock stack the block with Ajanaku,Ogbogu/Alhassan,Plummer Talk about some imposing hitters
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Post by donut on Jan 11, 2019 14:44:29 GMT -5
So you're only looking at the last 5-ish years? What would your team be? I only considered players who played 2 or more years between 2010 and 2018 which excludes players like Blair Brown, Ari Wilson, Carli Lloyd, Cassidy Lichtman and Alix Klineman. I also had less love for players who had only one standout season (Kelsey Robinson, Murrey, Kidder, Lowe, Bergsma, Plum) or played on teams that never made a deep tournament run (Murphy, Mann). My b my b Forgot the original focus on this thread was the last decade. I like your list - I would probably sub out Hamson for Lowe. I also think Chiaka deserves Second Team over Alhassan. Would move up Bergsma and Scott over Nwanebu.
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Post by Victory At Hand on Jan 11, 2019 17:06:57 GMT -5
Cepero pales in comparison to Misty May, who is 5'9 and can do everything. I am sure, just like Plummer and Barboza...all that hype. Plummer is the only college player right now that has a chance at playing for the Olympics.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Jan 11, 2019 17:28:17 GMT -5
The way I remember it, Cepero was hailed as the next big thing and "changing the position" (collegiately) because she was so tall and so athletic. Then she went to train with Toshi, and her hands came back an absolute wreck. Suddenly she wasn't as highly touted.
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Post by Victory At Hand on Jan 11, 2019 20:31:00 GMT -5
The way I remember it, Cepero was hailed as the next big thing and "changing the position" (collegiately) because she was so tall and so athletic. Then she went to train with Toshi, and her hands came back an absolute wreck. Suddenly she wasn't as highly touted. Oh yeah let's blame Toshi. She was always a highly touted player, heck she was the National Player of the Year. She just didn't put up the same numbers she did over the course of her career. She was highly talented, no questions about that, and one of the best at Nebraska.
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