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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 0:20:15 GMT -5
USC will never worry about money. Great. That’s one school that supposedly will never have to worry about money. They can’t carry the whole conference. Realistically, Stanford's continued participation --and year after year domination as the NCAA's best athletic program -- is much more threatened (if not endangered) by the Faculty's growing questioning of one of the world's best research and academic universities continuing to participate in/devote resources to something indirectly tied to what it sees as its mission. Finance-wise, maybe not as many diehard fans as Troy, but more than enough deep pockets to continue funding Cardinal athletics for a v-e-r-y long time...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 0:25:49 GMT -5
Aren't the Cali schools pretty strapped for cash? I remember they had to drop football at Pacific, Long Beach and Fullerton back in the 90s. Most people don't know that under termed-out Governor Jerry [ex-Moon Beam] Brown, California now has what I understand to be the nation's largest budget surplus.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 9, 2019 1:06:32 GMT -5
I do think the PAC-12 is in some danger of dropping out of the "power 5" category. Larry Scott has been a disaster, and the PAC-12 gets a lot less money back for their schools than the other top conferences. And yes, this makes a difference. That money pays for travel. It pays for swanky practice facilities. It pays for coaches. It pays for recruiting trips. It pays for gyms.
It's really hard to compete in sports when you are being constantly out-spent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 1:46:30 GMT -5
I do think the PAC-12 is in some danger of dropping out of the "power 5" category. Larry Scott has been a disaster, and the PAC-12 gets a lot less money back for their schools than the other top conferences. And yes, this makes a difference. That money pays for travel. It pays for swanky practice facilities. It pays for coaches. It pays for recruiting trips. It pays for gyms. It's really hard to compete in sports when you are being constantly out-spent. Yes... isnt't that why Pac 12 is going outside the box?
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 9, 2019 9:21:15 GMT -5
I do think the PAC-12 is in some danger of dropping out of the "power 5" category. Larry Scott has been a disaster, and the PAC-12 gets a lot less money back for their schools than the other top conferences. And yes, this makes a difference. That money pays for travel. It pays for swanky practice facilities. It pays for coaches. It pays for recruiting trips. It pays for gyms. It's really hard to compete in sports when you are being constantly out-spent. Yes... isnt't that why Pac 12 is going outside the box? I'm sorry, I don't follow the reference. "Going outside the box"?
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Post by horns1 on Jan 9, 2019 10:06:07 GMT -5
Was very disappointed that my cable provider, ATT Uverse, recently dropped the PAC TV network from my Uverse 450 package; had it for several years. Didn't bother to find out why, but I'm assuming it has to do with the PAC trying to raise its rates, and Uverse refused.
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Post by Semp12 on Jan 9, 2019 10:15:25 GMT -5
Last week it was reported that the Pac 12 is looking for a $500 million investment in exchange for 10% of the conference (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pac-12-wants-500m-investment-060000739.html) 10% of the Pac 12 Network- not the actual conference itself. When I first read that I thought to myself there is no way that could be right. As much as college athletics is a business, there is no way a conference (under the NCAA- with the schools that are members already the shareholders) would give us a stake to a private business and how could a private business even have a say in conference workings. The Network on the other hand is a complete different piece. The PAC12 always seems to do well in the Overall Directors Cup, but unfortunately the overall sports landscape isn't what the fans truly care about, or what pays the ridiculous amounts of money for broadcasting rights. From an outsiders stance, it is interesting to think what is the future. Do the strongest of the PAC12 end up leaving at some point and do we end up with fewer"Power Conferences". Do these groups break away from the NCAA and their strict rules and eventually become some sort of minor league football league where they keep even more millions to themselves?
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Post by johnbar on Jan 9, 2019 11:02:48 GMT -5
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 9, 2019 11:22:53 GMT -5
Not really. I suspect they are just trying to avoid branding it as PAC-12 Networks given its prominent struggles. That said, how much they want to make from a stake sale isn't how much they are going to make, and Larry & Friends shouldn't have a ton of credibility on their revenue projections with the general public right now.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 9, 2019 11:29:56 GMT -5
I don't understand the infatuation the Presidents/Chancellors of the Pac 12 have for Larry Scott. He's been mediocre at best, and smarmy af.
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Post by cdizzle on Jan 9, 2019 11:37:07 GMT -5
USC won the 2018 womens water-polo National Championship. USC will win the 2019 womens water polo National Championship USC won the 2018 mens water-polo National Championship. USC will will win the 2019 mens National Championship. UCLA won the 2018 womens gymnastics National Championship. UCLA will win the 2019 womens's gymnastics National Championship That’s short term. Look a little further. If you don’t have success in football or basketball, you don’t have money. You don’t have money, all sports are affected. I don’t think that’s true. Stanford’s Athletic Department is Endowed, and most of the coach’s positions and scholarships have specific Endowments. Even if their Football or Basketball tank (it already has), I don’t see I’d effecting the overall health of the Athletic department. In fact, you could argue that those “revenue” sports drain money away from more successful sports that they could be focusing on (like they did in the 90s).
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Post by gobruins on Jan 9, 2019 11:37:27 GMT -5
I grew up in the East Bay, as the son of a UCBerkeley star athlete, when UC was in the Pacific Coast Conference. That changed to the AAWU, the Pac-8, Pac-10, and now the Pac-12. Both of my parents went to UC. I ended up going to Stanford after attending UCDavis. As a Card fan, I do NOT see any potential problems w/ W VB, afa SU is concerned. The PAC has won 516 NCAA titles, I do believe; they have won 16 out of 36 W VB NC's. I DON'T Feel that our sport will have Any attrition, nor any programs being cut out. The conference's success is unmatched in NCAA history! In other words, I know the Conference! SU has an Athletic Department endowment which is in the $100s of millions I do believe (the entire University endowment is over 1 Billion). They are NOT going to be hurting! Afa the management (especially the Pac12Net) of the current conference fiscal situation? Sucks Big Time! They Will figure it out. A one billion dollar endowment is not very much for a major university. Stanford's is actually over $25 billion.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 9, 2019 12:01:54 GMT -5
USC will never worry about money. Great. That’s one school that supposedly will never have to worry about money. They can’t carry the whole conference. USC does not care about anybody else in the conference. They would love to be a independant like Notre Dame. It is USC after all and don't you ever forget that!
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Post by bigfan on Jan 9, 2019 12:05:39 GMT -5
Realistically, Stanford's continued participation --and year after year domination as the NCAA's best athletic program -- is much more threatened (if not endangered) by the Faculty's growing questioning of one of the world's best research and academic universities continuing to participate in/devote resources to something indirectly tied to what it sees as its mission. Finance-wise, maybe not as many diehard fans as Troy, but more than enough deep pockets to continue funding Cardinal athletics for a v-e-r-y long time... What is the point here?
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Post by bigfan on Jan 9, 2019 12:06:27 GMT -5
I don't understand the infatuation the Presidents/Chancellors of the Pac 12 have for Larry Scott. He's been mediocre at best, and smarmy af. They starting to realize that Scott is in way over his head.
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