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Post by LongSpatch on Mar 14, 2019 17:16:19 GMT -5
GO KERRI & BROOKE!!! ❤️😊🙌🇺🇸🏖🏐 Ok Kerri
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Post by guest2 on Mar 14, 2019 19:10:21 GMT -5
and if I had to play a 2v2 basketball tournament today (not 15 years ago) I wouldn’t be picking Michael Jordan over Giannis Antetokounmpo. Stop looking to the past. Terrible comparison. Jordan retired, Walsh is still playing & with the right partner, she’d dominate any US team. The past is the past, but if you think any US blocker/hitter is head & shoulders above her, you’re wrong. Also terrible because it compares the young US blockers to the best player in the NBA. April and Alix have played fairly well recently, and in the last 12 months, they have had slightly more success than April/Kerri did when Kerri was so badly injured she played left handed. Slightly more success. Thats right, the great hope of US volleyball at the net is marginally better than a 36 year old Kerri playing left handed. Giannis? Try whoever the 4th best player on the Rockets is, thats a better comparison for these US players.
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Post by diskprotek on Mar 14, 2019 22:55:26 GMT -5
Terrible comparison. Jordan retired, Walsh is still playing & with the right partner, she’d dominate any US team. The past is the past, but if you think any US blocker/hitter is head & shoulders above her, you’re wrong. Also terrible because it compares the young US blockers to the best player in the NBA. April and Alix have played fairly well recently, and in the last 12 months, they have had slightly more success than April/Kerri did when Kerri was so badly injured she played left handed. Slightly more success. Thats right, the great hope of US volleyball at the net is marginally better than a 36 year old Kerri playing left handed. Giannis? Try whoever the 4th best player on the Rockets is, thats a better comparison for these US players. So I spent some time watching two of her matches in Sydney. Here's my updated take:
Yes, she looks better than last year. Yes, it would be interesting to see her play with someone better than Brooke at this point. When she swings, which wasn't often, she looks better than last year.
That said, she got served 19 times against Greece and Australia - 4 times she was aced (and I'm counting 2 hubby/wife aces against Kerri since she should be the one to take those and go up an hit) and 5 times she shanked passes completely out of system. That's screwing up on nearly 50% of the serves she faces. Across those matches, she had 4 blocks, 2 blocking errors, and got tooled 13 times. I didn't keep track of the number of times she got a dig when pulling, but certainly against AUS it wasn't many at all.
These stats are from a 3*.
Her blocking wasn't all the effective in the big scheme of things in these two matches, especially considering she wasn't facing 4* and 5* competition. Hard to know what Summer, Claes, and Klineman would do against the same level of competition at this point.
It will be interesting to see how she does in Xiamen assuming she's playing.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 14, 2019 23:20:53 GMT -5
Also terrible because it compares the young US blockers to the best player in the NBA. April and Alix have played fairly well recently, and in the last 12 months, they have had slightly more success than April/Kerri did when Kerri was so badly injured she played left handed. Slightly more success. Thats right, the great hope of US volleyball at the net is marginally better than a 36 year old Kerri playing left handed. Giannis? Try whoever the 4th best player on the Rockets is, thats a better comparison for these US players. So I spent some time watching two of her matches in Sydney. Here's my updated take:
Yes, she looks better than last year. Yes, it would be interesting to see her play with someone better than Brooke at this point. When she swings, which wasn't often, she looks better than last year.
That said, she got served 19 times against Greece and Australia - 4 times she was aced (and I'm counting 2 hubby/wife aces against Kerri since she should be the one to take those and go up an hit) and 5 times she shanked passes completely out of system. That's screwing up on nearly 50% of the serves she faces. Across those matches, she had 4 blocks, 2 blocking errors, and got tooled 13 times. I didn't keep track of the number of times she got a dig when pulling, but certainly against AUS it wasn't many at all.
These stats are from a 3*.
Her blocking wasn't all the effective in the big scheme of things in these two matches, especially considering she wasn't facing 4* and 5* competition. Hard to know what Summer, Claes, and Klineman would do against the same level of competition at this point.
It will be interesting to see how she does in Xiamen assuming she's playing.
This is a misues of statistics. First you are using blocking stats in the same way people do to claim that Tim Bomgren or Jeremy Casebeer are top blockers because they led the AVP in blocks per game at various tournaments. The fallacy that number of blocks = effectiveness as a blocker. The effectiveness of a blocker is in how much they can change the way hitters make decisions and Kerri does that more than any US blocker. In Australia she played several teams (Australia, France and Greece to some extent) who, in matches against other teams were swinging more than shooting and one that was barely shooting at all - France. All 3, against Kerri, went to a much higher percentage of shots than they otherwise did, although France had to get blocked almost off the court before they made the switch. That same French team was able to get away with primarily swinging against Taliqua Clancy, who is a great blocker. Against Kerri, they had to change the way they played - which is why they lost despite Brooke's incompetence. As to the passing, its a weakness to be sure, but most of those out of system passes were fine and Kerri sided them out. With regards to pulling, I didnt see anyone do it better than Kerri including Sude and Clancy, both of whom belong on any list of top 10 blockers in the world. She gets back quickly and digs overhand well. With a partner quicker than Brooke, Kerri's ability to force teams to shoot and then to get back quickly enough to play good D would be even more valuable.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 14, 2019 23:27:27 GMT -5
Also why would it be hard to tell how Claes, Klineman and Summer would block against similar competition? We see them play teams at this level all the time. Both on the AVP and in early rounds of other tournaments.
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Post by ajm on Mar 15, 2019 0:01:44 GMT -5
So I spent some time watching two of her matches in Sydney. Here's my updated take:
Yes, she looks better than last year. Yes, it would be interesting to see her play with someone better than Brooke at this point. When she swings, which wasn't often, she looks better than last year.
That said, she got served 19 times against Greece and Australia - 4 times she was aced (and I'm counting 2 hubby/wife aces against Kerri since she should be the one to take those and go up an hit) and 5 times she shanked passes completely out of system. That's screwing up on nearly 50% of the serves she faces. Across those matches, she had 4 blocks, 2 blocking errors, and got tooled 13 times. I didn't keep track of the number of times she got a dig when pulling, but certainly against AUS it wasn't many at all.
These stats are from a 3*.
Her blocking wasn't all the effective in the big scheme of things in these two matches, especially considering she wasn't facing 4* and 5* competition. Hard to know what Summer, Claes, and Klineman would do against the same level of competition at this point.
It will be interesting to see how she does in Xiamen assuming she's playing.
This is a misues of statistics. First you are using blocking stats in the same way people do to claim that Tim Bomgren or Jeremy Casebeer are top blockers because they led the AVP in blocks per game at various tournaments. The fallacy that number of blocks = effectiveness as a blocker. The effectiveness of a blocker is in how much they can change the way hitters make decisions and Kerri does that more than any US blocker. In Australia she played several teams (Australia, France and Greece to some extent) who, in matches against other teams were swinging more than shooting and one that was barely shooting at all - France. All 3, against Kerri, went to a much higher percentage of shots than they otherwise did, although France had to get blocked almost off the court before they made the switch. That same French team was able to get away with primarily swinging against Taliqua Clancy, who is a great blocker. Against Kerri, they had to change the way they played - which is why they lost despite Brooke's incompetence. As to the passing, its a weakness to be sure, but most of those out of system passes were fine and Kerri sided them out. With regards to pulling, I didnt see anyone do it better than Kerri including Sude and Clancy, both of whom belong on any list of top 10 blockers in the world. She gets back quickly and digs overhand well. With a partner quicker than Brooke, Kerri's ability to force teams to shoot and then to get back quickly enough to play good D would be even more valuable. It would also be interesting to compile stats of other players for comparison. For example, I’d bet Kerri’s side out percentage and hitting percentage against AUS in the semis were much better than Emily Day’s in the finals against the same opponent. Unfortunately, beach stats are nowhere near as complete and/or publicly available as indoor stats.
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Post by diskprotek on Mar 15, 2019 0:03:34 GMT -5
Also why would it be hard to tell how Claes, Klineman and Summer would block against similar competition? We see them play teams at this level all the time. Both on the AVP and in early rounds of other tournaments. for the simple reason that they haven’t played lately. If we were going off how people played last season, I would still be arguing that Kerri was struggling hitting. Kerri made her own bed and is now dealing with it. However, I think we can both agree that she’s not going to make Tokyo with Brooke as her partner.
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Post by diskprotek on Mar 15, 2019 0:11:43 GMT -5
for comparison. For example, I’d bet Kerri’s side out percentage and hitting percentage against AUS in the semis were much better than Emily Day’s in the finals against the same opponent. Unfortunately, beach stats are nowhere near as complete and/or publicly available as indoor stats. If I find the time, I’ll try to look at that. Kerri hit very well against AUS - .696 by my count (18 kills, 2 errors, 23 attempts). Not so against Greece (14 kills, 5 errors, 29 attempts, .310).
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Post by guest2 on Mar 15, 2019 0:34:32 GMT -5
Also why would it be hard to tell how Claes, Klineman and Summer would block against similar competition? We see them play teams at this level all the time. Both on the AVP and in early rounds of other tournaments. for the simple reason that they haven’t played lately. If we were going off how people played last season, I would still be arguing that Kerri was struggling hitting. Kerri made her own bed and is now dealing with it. However, I think we can both agree that she’s not going to make Tokyo with Brooke as her partner. We are 100% in agreement on that
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Post by JB Southpaw on Mar 15, 2019 9:26:20 GMT -5
I was thinking of asking the admin to sticky these Olympic threads, anyone mind?
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Post by JB Southpaw on Apr 29, 2019 9:02:43 GMT -5
Updated 4-29-19
Klineman/Ross -4 -2,440 -610 Day/Flint -5 -2,180 -436 Walsh Jennings/Sweat -5 -2,080 -416 Larsen/Stockman- 4 -1,680 -420 Sponcil/Claes -3- 1,600- 533 Summer/Hughes -3- 1,600 -533 Howard/Reeves -5- 1,400 -280 Ledoux/Urango -2- 780 -390 Dykstra/House -3- 520- 173 Nourse A./Nourse N.- 4- 420- 105 Dowdy/Quiggle -1- 360- 360 Wopat/Hochevar- 2- 320- 160
Entry points 4-29-19
Team Pts Klineman/Ross- 2,840 Summer/Hughes- 2,760 Sponcil/Claes- 2,280 Stockman/Larsen -2,100 Flint/Day -1,820 Sweat/Walsh Jennings- 1,780 Reeves/Howard- 1,210 Wopat/Hochevar- 1,196 Ledoux/Urango- 1,170 Dowdy/Quiggle- 1,050 Dicello/Pollock- 934 Dykstra/House- 740
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Post by acrossthepond on May 7, 2019 3:18:28 GMT -5
I have also created a live-updated Olympic Ranking list for Women. It can be filtered, sorted and also contains the average points per tournament. Feel free to use: 12ndr.at/olympic-ranking-womenSame as for the Men's list: If you have suggestions on how to make this table better just let me know.
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Post by bigfan on May 7, 2019 11:03:47 GMT -5
Updated 4-29-19 Klineman/Ross -4 -2,440 -610 Day/Flint -5 -2,180 -436 Walsh Jennings/Sweat -5 -2,080 -416 Larsen/Stockman- 4 -1,680 -420 Sponcil/Claes -3- 1,600- 533 Summer/Hughes -3- 1,600 -533 Howard/Reeves -5- 1,400 -280 Looks like KWJ may not make it.
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Post by goldengirlsx3 on May 7, 2019 11:11:03 GMT -5
Updated 4-29-19 Klineman/Ross -4 -2,440 -610 Day/Flint -5 -2,180 -436 Walsh Jennings/Sweat -5 -2,080 -416 Larsen/Stockman- 4 -1,680 -420 Sponcil/Claes -3- 1,600- 533 Summer/Hughes -3- 1,600 -533 Howard/Reeves -5- 1,400 -280 Looks like KWJ may not make it. 3rd in points not bad for someone that hasn’t been playing, huh?? 🙌😊🤷🏻♀️
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Post by tamz on May 7, 2019 11:16:44 GMT -5
Looks like KWJ may not make it. 3rd in points not bad for someone that hasn’t been playing, huh?? 🙌😊🤷🏻♀️ Actually they’re first in Olympic points now.
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