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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 16, 2019 9:27:58 GMT -5
If you have not been coaching club, I would recommend starting with not starting your own club.
Go get hired at one of the bigger clubs in your area, see what is involved, and decide if you have enough money to lose if your first 3 years do not work out.
If you have been coaching club then you probably have a good idea of what doing so entails, and you have been saving enough money for everything else you have no idea about yet.
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Post by ddwebb on Jan 16, 2019 16:49:56 GMT -5
How many parents have gone from coaching their daughters in youth volleyball like NYS to starting a actual club and have been successful?
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 16, 2019 17:51:02 GMT -5
Why did the original OP get deleted from this thread?
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Post by floorcarpenter on Jan 17, 2019 9:57:49 GMT -5
What kind of unseen cost are they forgetting to lose money on?
you need:
Court cost (price of court X number of practices)
Uniforms (find packaged deal)
How much are you going to pay coaches/assistant coaches and background check.
Then do your tournament costs. this is listed with the tournaments (add up 6-9 tournaments and see how much that cost) ( I like to add money to this for meals/ gas/ and a day rate for being there all day
Balls (cost of ball) (put this fee in the base) Let the kid keep ball or stop adding this fee when you have enough.
Add a little for admin.
and done.
no money out of pocket, maybe a little time.
ok and now you can rip me and remind me of everything i forgot.
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Post by n00b on Jan 17, 2019 11:27:36 GMT -5
What kind of unseen cost are they forgetting to lose money on? you need: Court cost (price of court X number of practices) Uniforms (find packaged deal) How much are you going to pay coaches/assistant coaches and background check. Then do your tournament costs. this is listed with the tournaments (add up 6-9 tournaments and see how much that cost) ( I like to add money to this for meals/ gas/ and a day rate for being there all day Balls (cost of ball) (put this fee in the base) Let the kid keep ball or stop adding this fee when you have enough. Add a little for admin. and done. no money out of pocket, maybe a little time. ok and now you can rip me and remind me of everything i forgot. Agreed. If you're starting a small club and renting court time (NOT building/buying a new facility), there's no reason to expect to lose money. |
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Post by ddwebb on Jan 17, 2019 16:09:33 GMT -5
In Tucson Az we have lost 2 small clubs because they could not keep up with the cost and part of it may have been cause they did not have enough quality coaches to keep girls in the program as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 16:54:47 GMT -5
What kind of unseen cost are they forgetting to lose money on? you need: Court cost (price of court X number of practices) Uniforms (find packaged deal) How much are you going to pay coaches/assistant coaches and background check. Then do your tournament costs. this is listed with the tournaments (add up 6-9 tournaments and see how much that cost) ( I like to add money to this for meals/ gas/ and a day rate for being there all day Balls (cost of ball) (put this fee in the base) Let the kid keep ball or stop adding this fee when you have enough. Add a little for admin. and done. no money out of pocket, maybe a little time. ok and now you can rip me and remind me of everything i forgot. No need to "rip you" because you have not detailed anything out so it is hard to even understand your point. Put some numbers up and then take a stand one way or another and then people can help you with what you are missing. I would love to know the numbers. |
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Post by floorcarpenter on Jan 17, 2019 19:07:49 GMT -5
ok and now you can rip me and remind me of everything i forgot.[/quote] No need to "rip you" because you have not detailed anything out so it is hard to even understand your point.
Put some numbers up and then take a stand one way or another and then people can help you with what you are missing. I would love to know the numbers.[/quote]
Description Average Cost/Item No. Items Base Fee Expense Percentage of Base Fee Base Fee
Facility Rental (48 practices) $50.00 60 $3,000.00 50.20%
Head Coach practice salary (per hour) $15.63 96 $1,500.48 25.11%
Ass't. Coach practice salary (per hour) $8.34 96 $800.64 13.40%
Players/Coaches USAV Fees $50.00 2 $100.00 1.67%
Coaches' Background Checks $20.00 2 $40.00 0.67%
Coaches' Shirts $25.00 2 $50.00 0.84%
Ball $35.00 1 $35.00 5.27%
Administrative Fee $75.00 6 $450.00 7.53%
$5,976.12 104.69%
*based on 9 players Base Fee* $664.01
tournament fee HC pay AC Pay Hotel Brk Lch Dnr Miles Total cost
1 Day in town 150 30 25 0 14 14 0 233
2 Day in town 200 60 50 0 14 14 338
1 day more than 1 hour away 150 30 25 120 14 14 24 430 484.5
3 Day in town 900 90 75 360 42 42 72 1581
1 Day in town 150 30 25 14 14 233
Total 2869.5
9 Players 318.83
Unifrom Package
(2) Asics Setter, Assist, Seige or Precedent (includes 1 Color Logo & Numbers)
(1) Asics Baseline, Slider, Banner or Low Cut Short
(1) Asics Alyso or Cirro Warm-up (includes embroidery on Jacket)
(1) Asics Chico Duffle (includes embroidery)
(1) Asics Coolmax Kneehigh
Shipping and Screen Printing Set-up Fees not included in package price.
12 Package Minimum
$162.50
Total Cost $1,145.35
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 19:37:00 GMT -5
So what is your "stand"?
Are you asking, "Here is my expected costs, help me figure out what I should charge kids?"
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"here is what I think my club should charge me"?
That is what I want to understand. What are you ASKING?
first though, if you can find people that will work two-hour shifts for $8 and $15 for that hour (and drive there and back for that $8), there are tons of businesses you should start.
If you sincerely tell us what you want to know, I will be glad to help. What are you trying to model? Starting a club for one team? Where does it play? What type of league. You do not seem to play many games. What level do you want the team to play at?
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Post by luckydawg on Jan 18, 2019 11:33:56 GMT -5
Only one ball?
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 18, 2019 12:23:35 GMT -5
For some reason OP isn't even on this thread anymore which seems weird, but I am sure they are still reading.
One ball makes sense if you have one ball per kid, with a small club you are likely renting gym space so you do not have an area to store anything. Assume that the coach rounds up 6 balls or so then you require all your kids to bring their balls to practice- then you just practice with your assumed 9 kids per roster and maybe another 6 balls that a coach leaves in the trunk of their car and it should be more than suitable for a 2 hour practice.
The uniforms can be screen printed t-shirts if you really want to keep cost down and if you are a small club offer 6 included tourney dates then make other tourneys an a la carte option. You also will not want to be overzealous with your purchasing before you even know your numbers or team totals and is surely a quick way to start losing money before you are even bringing any in.
If I was starting a club I would also expect to lose money for the first couple years and be excited for whatever little profits you may come across. The main thing to remember is you are doing it for the kids to start and once established you can hope to see profits, otherwise the main reason clubs go under is because they try to get too big, too fast.
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Post by floorcarpenter on Jan 19, 2019 9:02:15 GMT -5
So what is your "stand"? Are you asking, "Here is my expected costs, help me figure out what I should charge kids?" OR "here is what I think my club should charge me"? That is what I want to understand. What are you ASKING? first though, if you can find people that will work two-hour shifts for $8 and $15 for that hour (and drive there and back for that $8), there are tons of businesses you should start. If you sincerely tell us what you want to know, I will be glad to help. What are you trying to model? Starting a club for one team? Where does it play? What type of league. You do not seem to play many games. What level do you want the team to play at? No Stand here. I was just providing some information for says they plan to lose money on doing your own club. You shouldn't ever lose money. unless your really bad at business. it is a middle of the road club numbers with a cheap place to practice. you can adjust the numbers how you want it. the biggest costs are what the coaches get paid and the admin.. everything else is what it is. but i guess since the original poster isn't on here the thread is sadly over.. unless we just want to keep adding to it because the job board is slow. |
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