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Post by itsallrelative on Jan 23, 2019 8:06:22 GMT -5
Bad call against the Saints? Yes. Feel bad for them? No. hopefully your memories are so short that you can recall when Sean Peyton was suspended for having coaches pay "bounties" for for his defense to go out and injure other players. I think it was like $25k for concussion and $50l for a torn acl..... (numbers might be off, but "bounty-gate" was for real. karma is a b*tch If it was truly karma, it would be the Saints, after the way that the Rams organization lied, and cheated their way out of st louis, then decided to try burn everything down as they left. Kroenke is NEVER welcomed in his home state again.
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Post by breakoutsports on Jan 23, 2019 9:42:07 GMT -5
This is often shown as an example of a team stopping play too soon, but I thought it was a horrible call. I don't know what they decided and told the teams before the match, but hitting something hanging from the ceiling over the crowd and well out of play should always be out. It was ridiculous to allow the ball to ricochet back onto the court. Terrible! I’ve never seen anything so blatantly out. If I were one of the BYU players I would definitely argue to keep the point, but I don’t know about all of the jumping up and down and celebrating how bad the ref is
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Post by oldman on Jan 23, 2019 11:01:55 GMT -5
The Saints absolutely put the game in the refs hand since they are complaining about one call the refs didn't make. One call in a 60-minute game. They had enough chances to win, they were outplayed and the game stats prove it. The Rams didn't cry about all the no-calls that went against them. They kept playing, that's why they're moving on. Nothing will happen with the officials, outside of a talking to. These are the best crews in the league. The league is not going to fire officials because one fanbase can't handle defeat. Please. They have every right to complain. This is the volleyball equivalent of not calling a missed serve that hit the net, had the server run forward grab it and throw it over the net. If that kept Hawaii from the Final Four, youd go nuts. The play call was brilliant. LA expected the run and New Orleans got a wide open receiver. There isn't a single NFL player former or current saying anything different. THe closest to different has been Jon Gruden who said - Hey, I've lived through a call like that so now I have someone to share the pain with. It was a horribly blown call and rationalizing with, well they should've called a run is bs. It was pass interference. It was head-to-head contact. They missed multiple obvious calls that would've given New Orleans a 99.9% chance of victory. Zenstudent if you keep having strong takes like this you might have to change your name to Zenmaster.
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Post by oldman on Jan 23, 2019 11:04:13 GMT -5
Just thought of this one. How did the refs missing the libero blocking the ball.
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Post by azvb on Jan 23, 2019 12:12:12 GMT -5
This is often shown as an example of a team stopping play too soon, but I thought it was a horrible call. I don't know what they decided and told the teams before the match, but hitting something hanging from the ceiling over the crowd and well out of play should always be out. It was ridiculous to allow the ball to ricochet back onto the court. Terrible! I’ve never seen anything so blatantly out. If I were one of the BYU players I would definitely argue to keep the point, but I don’t know about all of the jumping up and down and celebrating how bad the ref is Do you know the ground rules in the Smith Fieldhouse?
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Post by azvb on Jan 23, 2019 12:17:49 GMT -5
This is often shown as an example of a team stopping play too soon, but I thought it was a horrible call. I don't know what they decided and told the teams before the match, but hitting something hanging from the ceiling over the crowd and well out of play should always be out. It was ridiculous to allow the ball to ricochet back onto the court. Hmm, there's no good angle in the replay to see if that vent is actually above the court or above non-playable area. If the point where the ball contacted the vent is above the volleyball court, the ball is still in play (even if the ball would've landed 20 rows into the bleachers had it not struck the vent). I think the point about the ball hitting the bottom of the vent was it was going straight up, not out in the stands?
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Post by shotcaller on Jan 23, 2019 12:48:32 GMT -5
Not sure if it's come up yet in this thread or others, but was anyone else frustrated that there were not live replays of the CRS at the arena for the National Championships? Would have added to the atmosphere. I like the hawkeye system in tennis where it is a simple in our out call and the crowd get's into it with a slow clap...could be utlize hawkeye?
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Post by azvb on Jan 23, 2019 12:55:18 GMT -5
I think the point about the ball hitting the bottom of the vent was it was going straight up, not out in the stands? It was definitely not going straight up. Speakers must extend at least partly over the wood colored floor for them to allow it to be in. Only the blue (where the table and chairs end) should be considered in the field of play. Hard to tell, but maybe barely they overlap the blue. Obviously a shank from in the court that hits that speaker was going very deep into the stands. Valid point. And a shank off a serve is probably heading into the stands. Talked to my daughter, she can’t remember if those speakers extend over the blue area a bit. If they do, they are playable. That must have been Verna’s reason to not blow it dead? BTW, if you squint, I’m in this picture 😀
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 14:59:49 GMT -5
Please. They have every right to complain. This is the volleyball equivalent of not calling a missed serve that hit the net, had the server run forward grab it and throw it over the net. If that kept Hawaii from the Final Four, youd go nuts. The play call was brilliant. LA expected the run and New Orleans got a wide open receiver. There isn't a single NFL player former or current saying anything different. THe closest to different has been Jon Gruden who said - Hey, I've lived through a call like that so now I have someone to share the pain with. It was a horribly blown call and rationalizing with, well they should've called a run is bs. It was pass interference. It was head-to-head contact. They missed multiple obvious calls that would've given New Orleans a 99.9% chance of victory. Zenstudent if you keep having strong takes like this you might have to change your name to Zenmaster. High praise, sir. I'll stick with being a student though. The other one sounds like I'm in charge and that carries responsibility. No thanks.
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Post by tstokke on Jan 23, 2019 16:54:09 GMT -5
Just thought of this one. How did the refs missing the libero blocking the ball. Stupid question: Is there an explicit rule against assisting a teammate? If you reversed the situation, and Sterling was lifting his blocker to give him an extra 12 inches on his jump, is that legal? (always love that clip, BTW). Straight out of the NCAA rule book. And it's the same for NFHS. I assume the same for FIVB, but I'm not sure. 14.4.2 Assisted Hit 14.4.2.1 No player may take support from a teammate in order to reach the ball. It is legal for a player to stop or hold a teammate who is not making a play on the ball in order to prevent a fault. 14.4.2.2 A player may not play the ball while gaining support from the pole, cable, net supports or referee’s stand. It is not a fault to play the ball while supported by any other object (for example, chair, team bench, bleacher or wall) if a body part is in contact with the playing surface.
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Post by tstokke on Jan 23, 2019 17:12:43 GMT -5
According to the announcers the ref knew exactly what she was calling and was apparently the correct call because while USC was not happy, they didn't argue the point after it was explained. They said the bottom of the speaker is in play, but anywhere else it would be dead. Where the ball was traveling doesn't matter, at least for anything higher than 15 feet off the ground. If it's less than 15 feet off the ground, such as basketball hoops not pulled up, then the trajectory of ball matters. It's either called out or a replay, depending upon if the official believes an additional contact would have been possible if the obstacle wasn't there. It doesn't matter if the ball hits the top, side, or bottom of something in the ceiling. Everything up there is played as part of the ceiling. It all comes down to if where the ball hit the ceiling is over a playable area. If not, it's out. If yes, it's good. If the obstacle isn't 100% vertical, it's possible the top of something could be out and the bottom could be good (or vice verse), but we're back to contact location above the floor and not the side of the obstacle. These decisions are talked about in the captains meeting, so everyone would know how the call would be made.
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Post by crug68 on Feb 8, 2019 11:09:55 GMT -5
My vote is this call from last weekends tournament. As one dad said, "Proposed Rule of Thumb: If you’re the first official, perched on the elevated referee stand, and you have to move your head and upper body back to avoid possibly being hit by the ball, that ball was probably out! And when in doubt, ask the line judge and trust her judgement...please!"
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Post by trainermch on Feb 8, 2019 11:17:19 GMT -5
My vote is this call from last weekends tournament. As one dad said, "Proposed Rule of Thumb: If you’re the first official, perched on the elevated referee stand, and you have to move your head and upper body back to avoid possibly being hit by the ball, that ball was probably out! And when in doubt, ask the line judge and trust her judgement...please!" Worst of all time? Lol. You need to get out more. The zoom in “proof” at the end with the R1’s leaning was rich.
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Post by springs on Feb 8, 2019 11:26:41 GMT -5
My vote is this call from last weekends tournament. As one dad said, "Proposed Rule of Thumb: If you’re the first official, perched on the elevated referee stand, and you have to move your head and upper body back to avoid possibly being hit by the ball, that ball was probably out! And when in doubt, ask the line judge and trust her judgement...please!" It’s actually funny that the correct call was “play on” and not “out”.
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Post by univbfan on Feb 8, 2019 15:35:32 GMT -5
Late '90s, early '00s in the West Gym at the University of Northern Iowa. Opposing player tosses for a jump serve, and her toe catches or something, regardless, she doesn't jump. Instead she sets the ball over, both hands, and nothing is called. The R1 saw the toss and looked away apparently. I think everyone was like, um, she can't do that, but he wasn't watching, so play on.
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