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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 29, 2019 10:36:52 GMT -5
Isn't this like saying - 'I have a problem with hitting % as a stat'? Rally Points conveys information - yet it doesn't come close to conveying all the information we want or may need. Hitting % has a ton of stuff unrelated to actually making an attack embedded in the stat - as rally points may have a connection to non-rally points.
All these stats are flawed - yet most convey information that some people are interested in knowing. It doesn't tell us everything (far from it), but it tells us something. I find the concept of breaking a game down between rally points and non rally points as being helpful. I like the idea of trying to break down all rally points - and maybe I end up being completely on the wrong track? Maybe I/we end up being completely wrong about this as we begin to understand volleyball analytics. Volleyball analytics right now is so darn immature - there is an endless supply of information yet to be discovered. Hopefully this kind of stuff will proceed.
I have similar takeaways. Something I've learned is that the broader you make a stat, the more it predicts winning and losing, but the less specific information it conveys. The narrower you make a stat, the more actionable information you get, but the less it predicts winning and losing. For example, hitting efficiency predicts winning and losing better than any stat besides sideout % (which is just another way of keeping score). But hitting efficiency tells you very little actionable information. It doesn't tell you much about how the kills were scored, what situations, etc. You can narrow that down, but then you lose predictive power. So I think a good coach tries to balance the two aspects there. Don't get too bogged down in the weeds, but don't be so vague you lose the ability to prioritize and focus. Or, as I tried to explain earlier, "what question are you trying to answer?"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 13:58:52 GMT -5
Good god, Mike.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 29, 2019 17:11:37 GMT -5
So I gotta know, and I mean no disrespect, is there a story behind your username, shhhhhh? There are lots of stories about him ever since he first showed up here as a Penn State fan claiming a close association with the team going by AllAmerican11. Since I don't know which of them are true and which are not, I'll leave you to search back for them if you care.
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Post by After Dawn on Jan 29, 2019 20:35:09 GMT -5
is shhhhhh a woman? therefore everyone is wrong and should stop trying to argue about petty things. Stanford won fair and square, don't need to make it complicated and involve math otherwise you're just making yourself look like a complete volleyball nerd hahaha Sexist much? not really its a bad joke and only applies to mr. know it all shhhh over here.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Jan 29, 2019 20:38:43 GMT -5
not really its a bad joke and only applies to mr. know it all shhhh over here. Great! I love jokes. I'm kinda slow so please tell me more about this one cause I want to be entertained as well.
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Post by After Dawn on Jan 29, 2019 20:40:36 GMT -5
not really its a bad joke and only applies to mr. know it all shhhh over here. Great! I love jokes. I'm kinda slow so please tell me more about this one cause I want to be entertained as well. you won't get it since you're slow
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 23:50:44 GMT -5
Great! I love jokes. I'm kinda slow so please tell me more about this one cause I want to be entertained as well. you won't get it since you're slow Well, THAT stopped this ol' thread dead in its tracks, eh?
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Post by joetrinsey on Feb 7, 2019 12:03:15 GMT -5
Dying to find a catchier term for it. I’m all ears if somebody has a better descriptor. How's about "LIVE" points (rally) and " DEAD" points (non-rally)? (Or somethin' like that?) Terminal Serves vs Live Rallies?
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