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Post by luckydawg on Feb 7, 2019 17:43:05 GMT -5
SO I see a lot of these "volunteer" coaching positions available with no pay or benefits, do they have other jobs and just come during practices? Is that even legit with labor laws? Hmmmmm Volunteering is quite legal. Think of hospitals, food banks, religious organizations, schools, etc. In this case it's an exchange of unpaid time for experience. Like an internship.
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Post by vbjustice on Feb 7, 2019 18:09:57 GMT -5
Is that even legit with labor laws? Hmmmmm Volunteering is quite legal. Think of hospitals, food banks, religious organizations, schools, etc. In this case it's an exchange of unpaid time for experience. Like an internship. There is a fine line. In recent years reference case law on class actions and former interns vs companies
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Post by vbjustice on Feb 7, 2019 18:11:52 GMT -5
Volunteering is quite legal. Think of hospitals, food banks, religious organizations, schools, etc. In this case it's an exchange of unpaid time for experience. Like an internship. There is a fine line. In recent years reference case law on class actions and former interns vs companies
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Post by vbjustice on Feb 7, 2019 18:13:47 GMT -5
There is a fine line. In recent years reference case law on class actions and former interns vs companies I should have specified “unpaid” interns
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Post by Not Me on Feb 7, 2019 21:15:03 GMT -5
I should have specified “unpaid” interns Well, some of these volunteers do get paid, but not through the school. And then there are the summer camps
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Post by XAsstCoach on Feb 7, 2019 22:16:06 GMT -5
SO I see a lot of these "volunteer" coaching positions available with no pay or benefits, do they have other jobs and just come during practices? Is that even legit with labor laws? Hmmmmm Just posted in the jobs thread about this. Think the sponsor Nike should step up an require sponsored schools to ban “volunteer” asst. Just as they require all their factories to pay their workers a salary, why should athletics programs be any different? If there are skill sets required, tell HR to create a job.
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Post by vbjustice on Feb 7, 2019 23:01:47 GMT -5
I should have specified “unpaid” interns Well, some of these volunteers do get paid, but not through the school. And then there are the summer camps All I’m saying is that these programs have to becareful because the respective DOLs don’t favor “volunteer” work. Times are changing. They are getting strict with FLSA laws. Too many cases of suits against employers treating contractors like employees and not offering benefits, employing unpaid interns as a means of free labor, etc etc. You can’t call someone a volunteer yet lay out a whole job despcription with requirements etc., not pay them, have them working crazy hours or on a fixed schedule etc etc....very slippery slope.
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Post by luckydawg on Feb 8, 2019 0:15:15 GMT -5
Think of a volunteer assistant as the coaching equivalent of a walk-on player.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 8, 2019 7:45:31 GMT -5
I guess I'm confused by this. Is my understanding correct that sometimes volunteer assistants are given housing and have tuition paid for by the school? Isn't that technically compensation? Or do some schools forego that completely?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 8:59:18 GMT -5
Nebraska's head gymnastics coach stepped down unexpectedly a few months ago because he knew he was being investigated for compensating his volunteer assistant coach. The volunteer assistant was also the team's choreographer, and was being paid unreasonable amounts of money for each floor exercise routine he choreographed, thus essentially making him a fourth paid coach.
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see as much of the "it's a volunteer position, but they're paid $20K in camp money" or the like in the future across all NCAA sports, due to slowly closing loopholes that allow many volunteers to become essentially a fourth (or however many depending on the sport) paid coach by paying them in lump sums "for other work."
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Post by joetrinsey on Feb 8, 2019 15:34:54 GMT -5
Is that even legit with labor laws? Hmmmmm Just posted in the jobs thread about this. Think the sponsor Nike should step up an require sponsored schools to ban “volunteer” asst. Just as they require all their factories to pay their workers a salary, why should athletics programs be any different? If there are skill sets required, tell HR to create a job. I think that would be a mistake. Speaking from my personal experience, volunteer coaches often receive training and mentorship worth far more than the salary they would be paid.
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Post by joetrinsey on Feb 8, 2019 15:38:25 GMT -5
I guess I'm confused by this. Is my understanding correct that sometimes volunteer assistants are given housing and have tuition paid for by the school? Isn't that technically compensation? Or do some schools forego that completely? Volunteer assistants (a position that really only exists in D1 because of the limits on assistant coaches), cannot be given housing or tuition. There are “graduate assistants” at the D1 level but this would take the place of a paid assistant as graduate tuition would be compensation. There might be a couple of these at the D1 level who are actually coaching but that would be rare. More commonly is that a GA is in a non-coaching role such as video coordinator or director of ops. Graduate assistants who actually get to coach are more common at D2/3 schools who don’t have the budget for 2 salaried assistants.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 8, 2019 17:27:07 GMT -5
Just posted in the jobs thread about this. Think the sponsor Nike should step up an require sponsored schools to ban “volunteer” asst. Just as they require all their factories to pay their workers a salary, why should athletics programs be any different? If there are skill sets required, tell HR to create a job. I think that would be a mistake. Speaking from my personal experience, volunteer coaches often receive training and mentorship worth far more than the salary they would be paid. You are being trolled. I have the same experience as you. It is the way to get started in the profession for many people.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Feb 8, 2019 18:47:20 GMT -5
I think that would be a mistake. Speaking from my personal experience, volunteer coaches often receive training and mentorship worth far more than the salary they would be paid. You are being trolled. I have the same experience as you. It is the way to get started in the profession for many people. Not trolling, just bringing up a discussion. I’m obviously not the only one noticing the wide use of volunteer assistants.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 8, 2019 18:52:53 GMT -5
You are being trolled. I have the same experience as you. It is the way to get started in the profession for many people. Not trolling, just bringing up a discussion. I’m obviously not the only one noticing the wide use of volunteer assistants. Big time troll. Volunteer assistants have been used in D-1 volleyball for 40 years at least.
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