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Post by codigger on Feb 5, 2019 10:49:28 GMT -5
So there are three concurrent showcases going on in conjunction with the upcoming Las Vegas President's Day Weekend Tournament. Prepvolleyball.com, SCVA/Marki and Biokats. This certainly makes for tough recruiting choices for both athletes who have had to choose which one to register for and then also for college coaches who also have to choose between the three to recruit at. SCVA/Marki is the new kid on the block. The traditional player was the Prepvolleyball.com event. Biokats has also been there for a while.
Are there any insights into which event will provide the most value for athletes and coaches?
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Post by vbnerd on Feb 5, 2019 10:53:51 GMT -5
Last year Marki was the easiest to attend (right at the tournament site) and by far most players, which makes it the place where most coaches will look.
But as a player, the most players may not be your best opportunity to stand out and draw attention to yourself.
And then some coaches are going to feel the same way about themselves and go to the smaller events.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 11:58:03 GMT -5
NIT is on President's Day and says they have 500 college coaches attending. How are these coaches going to be in Kansas City, and at three showcases in Las Vegas?
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Post by volleav on Feb 5, 2019 12:24:45 GMT -5
NIT is on President's Day and says they have 500 college coaches attending. How are these coaches going to be in Kansas City, and at three showcases in Las Vegas? There is also a recruiting combine in St Louis at the President's Day Classic Friday night.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 12:37:02 GMT -5
NIT is on President's Day and says they have 500 college coaches attending. How are these coaches going to be in Kansas City, and at three showcases in Las Vegas? There is also a recruiting combine in St Louis at the President's Day Classic Friday night. Does this not strike people as strange? There are only about 1200 schools total that have volleyball correct? (D1, D2, D3, NAIA, JuCo). NIT has all the best teams in the country but also all the second tier teams too (they have over 100 teams in 15-18s). That is in KC. I assume the 500 coaches that are going there, are not also going to be in Las Vegas and St. Louis, let alone trying to figure out which of the 3 different showcases to drop in on. To answer the OP, before signing up for any of those showcases, I would ask for a list of coaches that have RSVPed (not a list that MAY attend the tournament and might drop by).
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Post by Semp12 on Feb 5, 2019 12:44:28 GMT -5
There is also a recruiting combine in St Louis at the President's Day Classic Friday night. Does this not strike people as strange? There are only about 1200 schools total that have volleyball correct? (D1, D2, D3, NAIA, JuCo). NIT has all the best teams in the country but also all the second tier teams too (they have over 100 teams in 15-18s). That is in KC. I assume the 500 coaches that are going there, are not also going to be in Las Vegas and St. Louis, let alone trying to figure out which of the 3 different showcases to drop in on. To answer the OP, before signing up for any of those showcases, I would ask for a list of coaches that have RSVPed (not a list that MAY attend the tournament and might drop by). Well with many showcases streaming now, they can technically claim a lot more eyes in addition to the ones that are physically there. The top D1 schools potentially would split their staff up on weekends that have multiple top level tournaments, so some schools can be counted multiple times. Definitely possible for even lower level teams to have their staffs split up between traveling and the local qualifier. RSVP'ing doesn't exactly mean the school will be there either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 12:52:38 GMT -5
NIT is on President's Day and says they have 500 college coaches attending. How are these coaches going to be in Kansas City, and at three showcases in Las Vegas? 3 coaches per staff. I know. But let's be realistic. Even when NIT was in SLC (and EVERYONE loves an excuse to go Vegas), most of the coaches dropped in on Vegas and then hightailed it to SLC. Now that the NIT has moved to KC, coaches cannot do that quick hop. Plus, NIT has expanded the number of teams (it as large as JOs). Do you really think that many people will go to Vegas? I think that tent tournament started dying 3 years ago and it will likely continue. I doubt there will be national representation. Maybe a lot of regional.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 13:15:56 GMT -5
It's not like coaches drove from Vegas to SLC. There are probably more flights from Vegas to KC than there are from Vegas to SLC, and you are adding all of maybe an hour and a half flight time? Plus much less reason to extend the stay in KC than there was in SLC. I don't see the location change being significant at all. The NIT expansion, yes, but not the location. Fair theory, I disagree but we will see. Not a flight expert but I would assume tons of flights from Vegas to SLC considering they are very close. KC - Vegas, no idea. If I was a parent, I would think it through and maybe ask my club director WTF we are wasting money going to Vegas when all the best teams are all in KC though. I am not sure why someone else did not do this years ago. And this year it is great because President's day is the first weekend Div 1 gets to come and watch. Seems like an important weekend (to be in the correct place) if you are an unsigned senior.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 16:01:55 GMT -5
Fair theory, I disagree but we will see. Not a flight expert but I would assume tons of flights from Vegas to SLC considering they are very close. KC - Vegas, no idea. If I was a parent, I would think it through and maybe ask my club director WTF we are wasting money going to Vegas when all the best teams are all in KC though. I am not sure why someone else did not do this years ago. And this year it is great because President's day is the first weekend Div 1 gets to come and watch. Seems like an important weekend (to be in the correct place) if you are an unsigned senior. Likewise, if my team is not in a power pool, why bother going to KC where there are 100's of coaches who won't come near my court? Better to stay at one of the regional showcases with the appropriate level programs in attendance. Relatively cheap flights and hotels for Vegas, so still a viable regional showcase. Now that is a different debate. Power pools... So your contention is that all recruits for a given year come from 24 teams? I will have to disagree with you on that point because....math. I guess we will have to see. Wonder where all the parents will have to sit with 500 coaches crowded around 8 courts. Hope they have lots of chairs. LOL. All kidding aside, I do think that TCS has likely slit the throat of their golden goose though. We will see how they adapt next year. Bringing out 100s of teams sure brings in the money, but having more teams in each age group than JOs has in Open/National/USA/American combined, is likely a little overkill. To keep calling an "Invitational" is becoming a joke since the invited can invite themselves.
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 5, 2019 17:48:45 GMT -5
I too think that exclusivity was a nice draw for triple crown. Might as well now call it preseason nationals.
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Post by vbjustice on Feb 6, 2019 8:21:15 GMT -5
Fair theory, I disagree but we will see. Not a flight expert but I would assume tons of flights from Vegas to SLC considering they are very close. KC - Vegas, no idea. If I was a parent, I would think it through and maybe ask my club director WTF we are wasting money going to Vegas when all the best teams are all in KC though. I am not sure why someone else did not do this years ago. And this year it is great because President's day is the first weekend Div 1 gets to come and watch. Seems like an important weekend (to be in the correct place) if you are an unsigned senior. Likewise, if my team is not in a power pool, why bother going to KC where there are 100's of coaches who won't come near my court? Better to stay at one of the regional showcases with the appropriate level programs in attendance. Relatively cheap flights and hotels for Vegas, so still a viable regional showcase. Is that how it works? All 350/400 coaches only go to the power pool courts?
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Post by donneyp on Feb 6, 2019 10:01:55 GMT -5
UA shows 205 Coaches confirmed for Vegas and 121 for KC.
And while I have no way of knowing this for certain, I'm sure many of those schools are going to be at both.
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Post by vbjustice on Feb 6, 2019 13:14:01 GMT -5
Is that how it works? All 350/400 coaches only go to the power pool courts? Of course not, but it certainly feels that way when you are there. Last year room one had 20 courts all lined with spectators and it was difficult to move. Other rooms were wide open, which is not to say no coaches went there occasionally to come up for air. Even the D2 and D3 coaches like to see and be seen in room 1, but yes, they do move through the rest. Okay Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by eldorado on Feb 6, 2019 14:08:58 GMT -5
UA shows 205 Coaches confirmed for Vegas and 121 for KC. And while I have no way of knowing this for certain, I'm sure many of those schools are going to be at both. Many of those 205 show “0” in number of coaches attending Vegas. That may or may not mean something
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Post by breakoutsports on Feb 6, 2019 17:13:37 GMT -5
Is it safe to assume that most of the truly top level prep players already committed their sophomore or junior years, so a senior showcase isn’t all that important for them?
The teams/players that need to ensure they’re at the “right” tournament are the mid level talent. “Right” meaning “the tournament with coaches looking at your talent level.”
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