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Post by browniecritic on Feb 10, 2019 22:20:59 GMT -5
I feel like now a days it's almost impossible to get a D1 assistant job without D1 experience? It seems like everyone keeps saying that you have to be a volunteer first....How come back in the day people could get D1 jobs right out of college? Are that many more people interested in college coaching? Do y'all really think the volunteer route is the best bet? Asking for a friend...
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 10, 2019 22:30:46 GMT -5
My mom volunteered at a local senior center. She hated it. She thought the paid employees took advantage of all the volunteers and they themselves did squat.So she quit. Gave them the finger.
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Post by sevb on Feb 10, 2019 22:34:45 GMT -5
It's not WHAT you know... It's WHO you know...
And if you don't know anyone... Or they don't know you... Volunteering is a good way to change that!
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Post by lukeskywalker on Feb 11, 2019 9:57:07 GMT -5
As stated above it’s all about who you know. If you don’t have any true connections in the game volunteering for the biggest school or program you can is a great move. But then that person has to have realistic expectations. Just because you volunteered for 1 season in the Big Ten doesn’t mean you’ll get a big ten coaching job. You’ll probably still struggle but be able to get a low to midmajor job. The benefit you get from volunteeeing will come with the your next job or next one after that. Because assuming you’re at a P5 school those assistant would soon get calls to get HC jobs and then because you’ve worked with them and now have some true coaching experience you’re very likely to be on their shortlist for a better job.
So it will definitely help, you just have to approach it with relaistic expectations for what you’re next move is after that.
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Post by tommyboy on Feb 11, 2019 10:27:08 GMT -5
The short answer is "Yes, there are that many people interested in college coaching."
Most open D1 assistant jobs have 50-100 applicants. You are trying to jump a line that has people who have been working for years for those same jobs. Head and assistant coaches at D2, D3, NAIA, and JC schools all have put time in and getting experience, so unless you know someone you really do need to find a way to get your foot in the door at a smaller level.
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Post by coahc21 on Feb 11, 2019 12:34:38 GMT -5
It is extremely competitive, volunteering is a great route, GA positions as well....go get a master's in coaching education as a GA. I would think that is the quickest route to an assistant job, but even still, a GA job isn't going to put you in line for a big time program right away...apply for anything and everything and see what sticks. Hopefully you'll get a first round of interviews and give you some interviewing experience at least.
Reach out to some collegiate coaches in your area (or even out of the area) and see if you can sit on some practices. Volleyball is amazing in that the community is so interconnected that coaches in our sport are often open to that, regardless of the level. When we develop the game, we all win!
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Post by Winbabywin on Feb 11, 2019 15:56:40 GMT -5
Reach out to some collegiate coaches in your area (or even out of the area) and see if you can sit on some practices. Volleyball is amazing in that the community is so interconnected that coaches in our sport are often open to that, regardless of the level. When we develop the game, we all win! That was beautiful  |
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Post by chancelucky on Feb 11, 2019 15:59:31 GMT -5
It depends on whether you're male or female, whether you have a significant playing background, if you know the people doing the hiring.
If you're male, didn't play at a high level, and don't know anyone going in, I'd say the typical route would be coaching high level club and high school, working college summer camps, getting on as a volunteer or operations manager, then time as a second assistant somewhere possibly d2 or community college, then D1.
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Post by breakoutsports on Feb 11, 2019 18:06:40 GMT -5
It does seem like D1 experience is more valued than any other level (for good reason). I would say turn over every stone until you find a volunteer position or maybe even an assistant position or other staff position at an obscure D1 school. Then start working your way up from there.
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Post by Winbabywin on Feb 11, 2019 19:56:52 GMT -5
D1 experience is not always the best experience. My very 1st job was as an assistant at a D3 school. I've carried more from that job, in my 20 years of coaching, than 2 stints as a D1 assistant (where I learned more about how NOT to be a successful head coach)
Good experience is based on the people, not just the level.
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Post by sevb on Feb 11, 2019 22:18:06 GMT -5
It does seem like D1 experience is more valued than any other level (for good reason). Would you share those (good reasons)? |
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Post by gobruins on Feb 12, 2019 5:36:33 GMT -5
It depends on whether you're male or female, whether you have a significant playing background, if you know the people doing the hiring. If you're male, didn't play at a high level, and don't know anyone going in, I'd say the typical route would be coaching high level club and high school, working college summer camps, getting on as a volunteer or operations manager, then time as a second assistant somewhere possibly d2 or community college, then D1. OTOH, if you are female, you graduate from college, spend two years as an assistant, then become a head coach at a mid-major. After 3-4 unsuccessful seasons, you decide that coaching sucks, and find something else to do with your life. |
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Post by breakoutsports on Feb 12, 2019 11:55:16 GMT -5
It does seem like D1 experience is more valued than any other level (for good reason). Would you share those (good reasons)? The logic is a little circular, but if you show that you have been successful at the D1 level, then coaches and athletic departments are more likely to believe that you can be successful at the D1 level. I believe there are many out there who would say that coaching at other levels isn't good enough preparation for coaching at D1. No hard statistics, just my opinion |
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Post by breakoutsports on Feb 12, 2019 11:56:17 GMT -5
It depends on whether you're male or female, whether you have a significant playing background, if you know the people doing the hiring. If you're male, didn't play at a high level, and don't know anyone going in, I'd say the typical route would be coaching high level club and high school, working college summer camps, getting on as a volunteer or operations manager, then time as a second assistant somewhere possibly d2 or community college, then D1. OTOH, if you are female, you graduate from college, spend two years as an assistant, then become a head coach at a mid-major. After 3-4 unsuccessful seasons, you decide that coaching sucks, and find something else to do with your life. And how does it go if you are male? |
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Post by chancelucky on Feb 12, 2019 15:53:21 GMT -5
Given that it's a women's sport, I really have no issues with women having an easier time getting into coaching it. The one thing no guy will have, barring gender reassignment, is experience playing women's college volleyball.
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