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Post by tamz on Feb 23, 2019 8:22:57 GMT -5
Haven’t paid much attention to Alison and Andre. Are they split blocking or is Andre defending?
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Post by 23flavors on Feb 23, 2019 8:42:02 GMT -5
I mostly agree, but I don’t trust Alison and Andre to have many high finishes. Ricardo and Alvaro might be better than them anyways. I definitely don’t think Pedro and Vitor Felipe are going. Any chance Ricardo has essentially depends on Andre/Allison both staying together and continuing to fail. Either one, with a different partner, is a better big than Ricardo at this point and Andre seems like the second best Brazilian big overall, with Alison third, although I haven't seen Saymon nearly as much as many here so maybe he belongs in there somewhere. I have a hard time accepting that Saymon is better than Andre though. Andre is both younger and has enjoyed much more recent success, and more success overall. Where are the Brazilian defenders is what I wonder about. It seems like most of the top Brazilians are blockers and the best defender is still Bruno? For all the hype around Guto, when I saw him play with Ricardo, who was borderline retired a few seasons ago, Guto was getting 75%+ of the serves. Very reminiscent of when the top 3 US players were Gibb, Lambo, and Phil Saymon is 11 months older than Andre, so not buying the age argument at this point. Andre has blocked full time in ONE tournament in his entire career, so not buying he is the second best big. Might be the second best player (not in my opinion) but he is mostly unproven as a blocker. Alison is blocking full time, there aren’t many wooly mammoths playing defense in the world. Any of the top Brazilian teams can beat each other (Evandro and Bruno May prove this wrong really soon). Guto and Alvaro have big futures. Bruno is still the man at the moment, but those “kids” can ball!!! If you had your choice of serving the 6’7 veteran that is one of the greatest side out players of all time, or the 24 year old 6’0 (generous) kid... I’d prolly go at Guto, but that strategy cost a lot of teams a loss last season. Watching these past few days, Bruno looks like a new man playing with Evandro. He looks fresh and like he is having fun again. He is chasing down many more balls than recent past (easier when the block is about the size of the freedom tower)
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Post by guest2 on Feb 23, 2019 9:20:51 GMT -5
Any chance Ricardo has essentially depends on Andre/Allison both staying together and continuing to fail. Either one, with a different partner, is a better big than Ricardo at this point and Andre seems like the second best Brazilian big overall, with Alison third, although I haven't seen Saymon nearly as much as many here so maybe he belongs in there somewhere. I have a hard time accepting that Saymon is better than Andre though. Andre is both younger and has enjoyed much more recent success, and more success overall. Where are the Brazilian defenders is what I wonder about. It seems like most of the top Brazilians are blockers and the best defender is still Bruno? For all the hype around Guto, when I saw him play with Ricardo, who was borderline retired a few seasons ago, Guto was getting 75%+ of the serves. Very reminiscent of when the top 3 US players were Gibb, Lambo, and Phil Saymon is 11 months older than Andre, so not buying the age argument at this point. Andre has blocked full time in ONE tournament in his entire career, so not buying he is the second best big. Might be the second best player (not in my opinion) but he is mostly unproven as a blocker. When I said the second best big, I meant the second best player in the big role. Not necessarily only including blocking - which is not a great strength of Evandro either. I agree we have to sort of extrapolate since he has only really split blocked on a top team.
I wasn't arguing that Andre was better or had more potential because he was younger - they are effectively the same age as far as I am concerned, but I think the perception of Saymon, and Guto to an extent, is "these young guys have so much potential just wait" so I was pointing out that that wasn't really something that works when comparing Saymon with Andre.
Yes Andre hasn't blocked full time much, but he was winning split blocking with an absolutely awful defender. Is he a Mol/Phil level blocker not considering other skills? No, but his sideout play to me seems much, much better than Saymon's and I think his blocking is plenty good enough that Saymon isnt far enough ahead to make up the difference, if he is at all. I look at Saymon's offense in the China event and Andre's pretty much anytime and it seems like a big gap for me.
Im a huge believer in Andre though. As far as Brazilian players that are or could be top 5-10 players in the world, its really just him, Evandro and maybe a Bruno comeback of the players I have seen.
Alison is blocking full time, there aren’t many wooly mammoths playing defense in the world. I love Alison, he never gets enough credit. Better Olympic performance than Phil! Any of the top Brazilian teams can beat each other (Evandro and Bruno May prove this wrong really soon). Isn't that really because they are on teams that don't make much sense though, or were and Allison/Andre still are. Guto and Alvaro have big futures. Bruno is still the man at the moment, but those “kids” can ball!!! If you had your choice of serving the 6’7 veteran that is one of the greatest side out players of all time, or the 24 year old 6’0 (generous) kid... I’d prolly go at Guto, but that strategy cost a lot of teams a loss last season. I like the way you phrased that question, but if you rephrase it so it is, "would you rather serve the 43 year old who isnt in the best shape or the 24 year old" its more of an indictment. I love Guto's defense but offensively it feels like he has a long way to go to reach the top level. Alvaro is already solid, but I dont see how he gets much better. I think he keeps winning maybe 1 or 2 every few years - better than almost every US player - but hardly what we expect from top Brazilian defendersWatching these past few days, Bruno looks like a new man playing with Evandro. He looks fresh and like he is having fun again. He is chasing down many more balls than recent past (easier when the block is about the size of the freedom tower) I wish Alison and Andre had advanced.
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Post by 23flavors on Feb 23, 2019 9:38:12 GMT -5
I just think the teams are finally starting to make sense. Evandro finally blocking full time, Alvaro and Guto have big guys that allow them to run around and do their best Taylor Crabb imitation.
Alison/Andre makes a little sense because of the hometown training they get together. Though I really don’t know what their future will be. I am not confident in Alison’s future. He was limited athletically even when he was the best team in the world, that athleticism isn’t improving. Though I’m sure many will disagree, i think Ricardo is currently a better option than Alison. Their body compositions aren’t all that different, blocking is a push and Ricardo is a much better offensive player. It’s not the same Ricardo (mentally) that played AVP two years ago.
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Post by guest2 on Feb 23, 2019 10:20:29 GMT -5
I just think the teams are finally starting to make sense. Evandro finally blocking full time, Alvaro and Guto have big guys that allow them to run around and do their best Taylor Crabb imitation. Alison/Andre makes a little sense because of the hometown training they get together. Though I really don’t know what their future will be. I am not confident in Alison’s future. He was limited athletically even when he was the best team in the world, that athleticism isn’t improving. Though I’m sure many will disagree, i think Ricardo is currently a better option than Alison. Their body compositions aren’t all that different, blocking is a push and Ricardo is a much better offensive player. It’s not the same Ricardo (mentally) that played AVP two years ago. Are we sure Taylor isn't doing a Guto impression?
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Post by 23flavors on Feb 23, 2019 11:38:58 GMT -5
I wouldn’t go that far
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Post by guest2 on Feb 23, 2019 12:12:54 GMT -5
Guto has a couple wins, 10 top 3 finishes, and has been in the top 5 pretty consistently for several years. What has Taylor ever done internationally?
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Post by 23flavors on Feb 23, 2019 12:38:53 GMT -5
Guto has a couple wins, 10 top 3 finishes, and has been in the top 5 pretty consistently for several years. What has Taylor ever done internationally? Fair enough, I think they have many similarities. Maybe the difference is partners??? I don’t know, I think Taylor is a bit better offensively, but otherwise they remind me of each other. And here we go with Ricardo and Alvaro in another final. Should be a really good one too
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Post by guest2 on Feb 23, 2019 14:07:14 GMT -5
Guto has a couple wins, 10 top 3 finishes, and has been in the top 5 pretty consistently for several years. What has Taylor ever done internationally? Fair enough, I think they have many similarities. Maybe the difference is partners??? I don’t know, I think Taylor is a bit better offensively, but otherwise they remind me of each other. And here we go with Ricardo and Alvaro in another final. Should be a really good one too Definitely similar players and Guto may have had an edge in partners but Ricardo over Jake Gibb? Even with the resurgence not sure I'd go that far. I wonder if Taylor isnt one of those guys who just needs to see players a lot. He is so much better on the AVP, even against teams that, in theory, are the peers of the ones he loses to on the FIVB. This year should tell somewhat though. Just watched Duda/Agatha get revenge on Ana/Rebecca rematch for last month's loss. Agatha/Duda really struggle to score sometimes, they depend way too much on the block.
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Post by 405LAX on Feb 23, 2019 14:24:25 GMT -5
Guto has a couple wins, 10 top 3 finishes, and has been in the top 5 pretty consistently for several years. What has Taylor ever done internationally? Guto's athleticism and vert are off the charts, even more so than Taylor.
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Post by guest2 on Feb 24, 2019 3:03:35 GMT -5
Any of the top Brazilian teams can beat each other (Evandro and Bruno May prove this wrong really soon). Good call on this one. No one got a game off them. Looks like Brazil is back. Thank goodness, way too many European teams from cold weather countries winning these days
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Post by 23flavors on Mar 18, 2019 10:09:15 GMT -5
Alison and Andre are no more... stay tuned
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Post by tamz on Mar 18, 2019 10:30:23 GMT -5
Google translated article:
Alison and André Stein will follow different paths in the race for a place in the Tokyo-2020 Games. After participating in the 4-star stage of the World Circuit in Doha (Qatar) last weekend, the team met for a conversation that defined the end of the 'double capixaba'. The decision came from André, motivated by frustration with bad results, and the young man highlighted "respect and friendship" with "Mamute" and coach Leandro Andreão, Brachola.
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Post by tamz on Mar 18, 2019 10:31:00 GMT -5
No partners announced yet. Will Alison retire? 😱
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Post by guest2 on Mar 18, 2019 10:51:52 GMT -5
Alison and Andre are no more... stay tuned Now this is interesting. If I were Andre I would be on my knees on Evandro's doorstep, hoping that the weak result in Doha is enough to make him forget getting dumped. If not who is out there for him? Maybe trying to be a full time defender behind Saymon or splitting with Pedro?
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