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Post by tamz on Apr 26, 2019 16:11:41 GMT -5
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Post by tamz on Apr 29, 2019 11:46:25 GMT -5
Update: Brazilians Alison/Alvaro and Andre/George have a last chance this week in Malaysia to obtain some more ranking points and obtain their spot for Hamburg World Champs by being ranked within the World’s top 23 pairs. Alison/Alvaro is currently sitting tied with two other teams at 22nd and Andre/George is at 33rd. hamburg2019.com/en/2614/brazilian-duos-face-fight-for-qualificationSeriously, if Andre didn’t make the switch from Evandro to Alison and then to George now he wouldn’t be walking on thin ice not knowing whether he’s qualified or not. He IS the defending world champion after all. If Brazil has 3 teams in the top 23, then the Brazilian federation will choose which team to send for the 4th team at World Champs. However, if Brazil has 4 teams in the top 23 via FIVB Team Entry Rankings, then Uruguay will get a spot as they are 2nd ranked in the South American confederation.
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Post by tamz on Apr 29, 2019 16:59:48 GMT -5
www.fivb.com/en/about/news/american-collegiate-championships-feature-foreign-players?id=81570&sf211791181=1“Three of the participants in the NCAA Championships will be competing this June in the FIVB World Championships in Hamburg, Germany. Megan and Nicole McNamara from UCLA will be representing Canada in the world championships while Stacey Sponcil is scheduled to compete for the United States with Kelly Claes in Hamburg.” Did we miss Sarah’s real/nickname?? LOL Well... great news for Claes/Sponcil because they’re the 3rd ranked team for the USA on entry points ranking now. Not so good news for Larsen/Stockman who is 180 points behind and both teams will not be in KL 3* this week.
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Post by ajm on Apr 29, 2019 19:12:41 GMT -5
www.fivb.com/en/about/news/american-collegiate-championships-feature-foreign-players?id=81570&sf211791181=1“Three of the participants in the NCAA Championships will be competing this June in the FIVB World Championships in Hamburg, Germany. Megan and Nicole McNamara from UCLA will be representing Canada in the world championships while Stacey Sponcil is scheduled to compete for the United States with Kelly Claes in Hamburg.” Did we miss Sarah’s real/nickname?? LOL Well... great news for Claes/Sponcil because they’re the 3rd ranked team for the USA on entry points ranking now. Not so good news for Larsen/Stockman who is 180 points behind and both teams will not be in KL 3* this week. How did Sponcil and Claes get into the World Champs? Did they get a wild card? Or has the entry points period now closed? How high did Stockman/Larsen have to finish in Xiamen to pass Sponcil/Claes? Wonder if they're regretting skipping The Hague and Sydney now?
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Post by ajm on Apr 29, 2019 19:22:09 GMT -5
www.fivb.com/en/about/news/american-collegiate-championships-feature-foreign-players?id=81570&sf211791181=1“Three of the participants in the NCAA Championships will be competing this June in the FIVB World Championships in Hamburg, Germany. Megan and Nicole McNamara from UCLA will be representing Canada in the world championships while Stacey Sponcil is scheduled to compete for the United States with Kelly Claes in Hamburg.” Did we miss Sarah’s real/nickname?? LOL Well... great news for Claes/Sponcil because they’re the 3rd ranked team for the USA on entry points ranking now. Not so good news for Larsen/Stockman who is 180 points behind and both teams will not be in KL 3* this week. How did Sponcil and Claes get into the World Champs? Did they get a wild card? Or has the entry points period now closed? How high did Stockman/Larsen have to finish in Xiamen to pass Sponcil/Claes? Wonder if they're regretting skipping The Hague and Sydney now? Oh, I see that Kuala Lumpur is the final event that counts toward WC qualifying. Stockman/Larsen are skipping it to play Huntington Beach. www.fivb.com/en/about/news/world-tour-stops-in-malaysia-for-final?id=81568Still it seems like they could have fairly easily moved into 3rd by playing the other events, especially knowing that Sponcil couldn't play.
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Post by tamz on Apr 29, 2019 20:44:47 GMT -5
ajmMind blowing but I took a screenshot yesterday and Sponcil/Claes had 2280 points. Larsen/Stockman had 2400 points. Now, Sponcil/Claes stayed the same and Larsen/Stockman dropped to 2100 points.
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Post by tamz on Apr 29, 2019 20:53:50 GMT -5
www.fivb.com/en/about/news/american-collegiate-championships-feature-foreign-players?id=81570&sf211791181=1“Three of the participants in the NCAA Championships will be competing this June in the FIVB World Championships in Hamburg, Germany. Megan and Nicole McNamara from UCLA will be representing Canada in the world championships while Stacey Sponcil is scheduled to compete for the United States with Kelly Claes in Hamburg.” Did we miss Sarah’s real/nickname?? LOL Well... great news for Claes/Sponcil because they’re the 3rd ranked team for the USA on entry points ranking now. Not so good news for Larsen/Stockman who is 180 points behind and both teams will not be in KL 3* this week. How did Sponcil and Claes get into the World Champs? Did they get a wild card? Or has the entry points period now closed? How high did Stockman/Larsen have to finish in Xiamen to pass Sponcil/Claes? Wonder if they're regretting skipping The Hague and Sydney now? The 17th place finish in Xiamen is the worst result for Larsen/Stockman since their 25th in Itapema last May. Since then, they’ve posted 5ths and 9ths. And a 4th at a 3* event. But they have yet to obtain a medal. Double checking on the math, their last 6 events are: Vienna - 360 points Moscow - 200 points NORCECA - 240 points Yangzhou - 200 points Las Vegas - 240 points Xiamen - 160 points Their 4 highest are: (360+240+240+200)x2 = 2080 How do they have 2100 points on the FIVB website?
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Post by ajm on Apr 29, 2019 23:28:14 GMT -5
ajmMind blowing but I took a screenshot yesterday and Sponcil/Claes had 2280 points. Larsen/Stockman had 2400 points. Now, Sponcil/Claes stayed the same and Larsen/Stockman dropped to 2100 points. So Stockman/Larsen would have made World Champs if they had just dropped out of Xiamen? Wow!
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Post by tamz on Apr 29, 2019 23:35:36 GMT -5
ajmMind blowing but I took a screenshot yesterday and Sponcil/Claes had 2280 points. Larsen/Stockman had 2400 points. Now, Sponcil/Claes stayed the same and Larsen/Stockman dropped to 2100 points. So Stockman/Larsen would have made World Champs if they had just dropped out of Xiamen? Wow! That’s how I see it. Sponcil/Claes basically didn’t have to do anything since The Hague and found themselves a spot in World Champs. But anyways, the unofficial list will be released next Monday following the KL 3* event. Any guesses on the WCs? I think USA will get a wildcard for each gender. KWJ/Sweat gets one and Hyden/Doherty gets one. Second pick would be Casey/Chase for the men’s.
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Post by acrossthepond on Apr 30, 2019 6:02:10 GMT -5
How did Sponcil and Claes get into the World Champs? Did they get a wild card? Or has the entry points period now closed? How high did Stockman/Larsen have to finish in Xiamen to pass Sponcil/Claes? Wonder if they're regretting skipping The Hague and Sydney now? The 17th place finish in Xiamen is the worst result for Larsen/Stockman since their 25th in Itapema last May. Since then, they’ve posted 5ths and 9ths. And a 4th at a 3* event. But they have yet to obtain a medal. Double checking on the math, their last 6 events are: Vienna - 360 points Moscow - 200 points NORCECA - 240 points Yangzhou - 200 points Las Vegas - 240 points Xiamen - 160 points Their 4 highest are: (360+240+240+200)x2 = 2080 How do they have 2100 points on the FIVB website? The regional tours (in this case the NORCECA tournament) are treated somehow as bonus tournaments. So the entry ranking in principal consists of the last 6 >FIVB< tournaments. However, if you have results at regional tours (within the last 365 days) that increase your entry points they will count toward the entry points WITHOUHT kicking out one of the 6 FIVB results. This means that additionally to your listed tournaments also Haiyang - 210 points is still in contention for their entry ranking. Which means that (360+240+240+210)*2 = 2100 points.
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Post by acrossthepond on Apr 30, 2019 6:23:32 GMT -5
What's also interesting on the Men's side apart from the Brazilian battle, is the battle for European spots. In contrast to NORCECA the CEV is sending the top 4 teams in the entry ranking outside of the Top23 ranked teams. Since it seems that the Russian teams Liamin/Velichko (#20) and Samoday/Myskiv (#4 on CEV list) both split (and will be playing as Liamin/Myskiv and Samoday/Velichko). Based on this assumption, and hoping that I didn't miss any other new team constellations this means:
Bottom of the Top23 world ranking: #20 Samoday/Velichko #21 Koekelkoren/Van Walle #22 Andre/George #23 Guto/Saymon Andre/Alvaro might kick one Brazilian team out but won't influence the European teams
CEV ranking (top teams not yet qualified) #1 Heidrich/Gerson - 1840 (not playing) #2 Liamin/Myskiv - 1770 (not playing) #3 Perusic/Schweiner - 1760 (not playing) #4 Seidl/Waller - 1720 (not playing)
- Bergmann/Harms - 1660 (playing in Kuala Lumpur - need a 4th to tie Seidl/Waller and a 3rd to overtake them - I don't know what the tie braker would be. - Rossi/Carambula - 1540 (playing in Kuala Lumpur - need a 4th to overtake Seidl/Waller and should finish ahead of Bergmann/Harms - would get a Wild Card anyway most probably) - Beeler/Krattiger - 1500 (playing in Kuala Lumpur - don't really have a chance)
Edit: I did not take into account that 2 spots are guaranteed for German teams. Since Wickler/Thole are within the Top 23 and Bergmann/Harms are the #2 team in Germany those 2 teams are qualified automatically. I guess this leaves one more spot for the Top 23 World Ranking (the spot of Wickler/Thole) and one more spot for the CEV. This means that Heidrich/Gerson should also be qualified via World Rankings and that Rossi/Carambula currently hold the #4 spot on the CEV.
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Post by acrossthepond on May 3, 2019 5:40:49 GMT -5
Update:
It's a little bit tricky how to calculate the ranking points for the WCs. The world ranking will be released on Monday, May 6th. I expect that Huntington 2018 will not count towards this ranking since it finished on May 6th 2018 which means that it is 366 days prior to the released world rankings and usually only results from the last 365 days count.
Based on this assumption Andre/George will lose 10 points in the entry rankings (Huntington 2018 will fall out of George's ranking). This means that they will stay 10 points ahead of Guto/Saymon and are therefore at least the 4th best Brazlian team and will definitely qualify for the WCH. Andre/Alvaro just moved into the Semi Final which means that they gain 10 points if they finish 4th (which will not be enough to overtake Guto/Saymon). They need to finish at least 3rd to overtake Guto/Saymon and qualify for the WCH. So chances are, that Guto/Saymon will miss out by 10 points.
Other teams will not be able to jump into the Top 23 world ranking. If Hyden/Doherty win the 3* this would put them on 1810 entry points (asssuming that Huntington 2018 won't count) which would put them below the 1860 points of Guto/Saymon (and also behind the 1840 points of Heidrich/Gerson if the German team will be counted out of the Top23 ranking since there are 2 quota places for Germany at the WCH).
As for the CEV teams: Rossi/Carambula will jump to 1670 points and should be qualified as #4 CEV (based on the Germany-assumption)
Speculation regarding Wild Cards: 3 Wild Cards will be awarded. In Vienna 2017 2 of those Wild Cards have been awarded to home country teams.
Qualified for Germany: - Thol/Wickler - Bergmann/Harms
In contention for those 2 Wild Cards - Walknhorst/Winter - Ehlers/Flüggen - Betzien/Erdmann - every other team would be a huge surprise
In contention for he international Wild Card - Guto/Saymon (or Alison/Alvaro) - Some team from USA - Varenhorst/van de Velde (Varenhorst won the Bronze Medal in 2017) - ?
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Post by tamz on May 5, 2019 14:40:28 GMT -5
I’m looking at the entry points ranking right now for the women’s.
ATeam stands at 6. 2S is 9. Sponcil/Claes at 14. And Larsen/Stockman at 17.
If that does not change tomorrow when they update the rankings, then NORCECA cannot sent a USA team on the women’s side since FIVB points go first and then continental rankings. The only route to get a 5th team in is through WC which probably will go to KWJ/Sweat (but wildcards will not be announced this week).
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Post by tamz on May 5, 2019 14:48:02 GMT -5
Dalcena and Gibb/Crabb are locked in for World Champs through World Ranking Points. 2T should get in through NORCECA. Wonder who gets the WC.
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Post by tamz on May 6, 2019 7:51:28 GMT -5
Preliminary entry list comes out tomorrow, but Alison/Alvaro are definitely in. If I’m counting correctly, Tri/Trevor just missed the cut to make it in through FIVB entry points rankings. I can’t keep up with the non-active Brazilian team pairings.
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