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Post by Wahinevball1234 on Jul 24, 2019 0:21:49 GMT -5
www.fivb.com/en/about/news/haiyang-to-host-septembers-fivb-beach-volleyball?id=80644- to be held Sept. 18-22, 2019 in Haiyang, China - 16 teams per gender will play in this event - host (China) gets one spot per gender - the top 15 teams in the world (based on July 16, 2019 Rankings) will compete, but maximum one team representing each national federation - an athlete who has won World Champs in Hamburg is ineligible to compete in this tournament - As for the competition, there will be four phases starting with four groups of four teams each (Pools A, B, C and D). The top three teams from each group in Phase I will advance and play in four pools of three pairs each (Pools E, F, G and H). Phase III will feature two groups of four teams each (Pools I and J). The top two teams in each group advance to the Final Phase where the Pool I winner will play the Pool J runner-up and the Pool J winner will meet the Pool I runner-up. Basically, 16 teams cut to 12 teams, cut to 8 teams, then 4 teams and the two winners get a berth to the Olympics for their federation. - no FIVB points or prize money awarded This is a pointless event for the American women. It is essentially guaranteed that our federation is going to get two bids based off of entry points.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 24, 2019 1:31:40 GMT -5
Why not Sara/Kerri? In theory wouldnt they be highest in world ranking points? That might be a chance to qualify etc. despite the event limit.
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Post by Wahinevball1234 on Jul 24, 2019 2:03:31 GMT -5
Why not Sara/Kerri? In theory wouldnt they be highest in world ranking points? That might be a chance to qualify etc. despite the event limit. I mean they could play together... but all it would do is lock in a berth to the Olympics for the US... It means nothing for them as a pair. It just would mean the highest ranked US team gets to go to the Olympics even if that team is ranked 50th in the world, which we obviously are not.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 24, 2019 4:09:36 GMT -5
Why not Sara/Kerri? In theory wouldnt they be highest in world ranking points? That might be a chance to qualify etc. despite the event limit. I mean they could play together... but all it would do is lock in a berth to the Olympics for the US... It means nothing for them as a pair. It just would mean the highest ranked US team gets to go to the Olympics even if that team is ranked 50th in the world, which we obviously are not. Sure but say they earned the berth, then played enough events to qualify, likely by mixing in some 3 stars etc. Do you think the US is going to tell Kerri/Sara/NBC/Nike, "nope, Slaes averaged 254 points per event and Kerri/Sara only averaged 244"? Id say its pretty doubtful
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Post by ajm on Jul 24, 2019 6:00:56 GMT -5
I mean they could play together... but all it would do is lock in a berth to the Olympics for the US... It means nothing for them as a pair. It just would mean the highest ranked US team gets to go to the Olympics even if that team is ranked 50th in the world, which we obviously are not. Sure but say they earned the berth, then played enough events to qualify, likely by mixing in some 3 stars etc. Do you think the US is going to tell Kerri/Sara/NBC/Nike, "nope, Slaes averaged 254 points per event and Kerri/Sara only averaged 244"? Id say its pretty doubtful Right. USAV has full discretion to send whichever teams they choose, provided they meet the eligibility requirements. Other sports’ governing bodies sometimes send athletes to the Olympics who didn’t necessarily have the highest scores during the qualification process, for example gymnastics and figure skating. As someone else noted, USAV generally doesn’t make decisions that bypass the usual process, but it isn’t unprecedented either. Recall that they sent Emily Day with Nicole Branagh as an injury replacement for Kerri in the 2017 world champs, when they should have just sent the alternate team of Day and Britt Hochevar. I bet that if Kerri really wanted to switch to Sara at this point, USAV would find a way to make it happen.
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Post by graham on Jul 24, 2019 8:15:07 GMT -5
Sure but say they earned the berth, then played enough events to qualify, likely by mixing in some 3 stars etc. Do you think the US is going to tell Kerri/Sara/NBC/Nike, "nope, Slaes averaged 254 points per event and Kerri/Sara only averaged 244"? Id say its pretty doubtful Right. USAV has full discretion to send whichever teams they choose, provided they meet the eligibility requirements. Other sports’ governing bodies sometimes send athletes to the Olympics who didn’t necessarily have the highest scores during the qualification process, for example gymnastics and figure skating. As someone else noted, USAV generally doesn’t make decisions that bypass the usual process, but it isn’t unprecedented either. Recall that they sent Emily Day with Nicole Branagh as an injury replacement for Kerri in the 2017 world champs, when they should have just sent the alternate team of Day and Britt Hochevar. I bet that if Kerri really wanted to switch to Sara at this point, USAV would find a way to make it happen. If Kerri and Sarah play in the OQT and earn an Olympic spot for USA, Sarah only needs to play in 4 more FIVB tournaments to be eligible. Remember, once a spot is earned by an NOC, the NOC can choose any COMBINATION of their top 12 eligible athletes to create the team. As long as the individuals have played in 12 tournaments, regardless of partner, they are eligible. So a Kerri/Sarah team wouldn't even need to play in 12 tournaments together.
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Post by yupyupyup on Jul 24, 2019 8:51:04 GMT -5
Right. USAV has full discretion to send whichever teams they choose, provided they meet the eligibility requirements. Other sports’ governing bodies sometimes send athletes to the Olympics who didn’t necessarily have the highest scores during the qualification process, for example gymnastics and figure skating. As someone else noted, USAV generally doesn’t make decisions that bypass the usual process, but it isn’t unprecedented either. Recall that they sent Emily Day with Nicole Branagh as an injury replacement for Kerri in the 2017 world champs, when they should have just sent the alternate team of Day and Britt Hochevar. I bet that if Kerri really wanted to switch to Sara at this point, USAV would find a way to make it happen. If Kerri and Sarah play in the OQT and earn an Olympic spot for USA, Sarah only needs to play in 4 more FIVB tournaments to be eligible. Remember, once a spot is earned by an NOC, the NOC can choose any COMBINATION of their top 12 eligible athletes to create the team. As long as the individuals have played in 12 tournaments, regardless of partner, they are eligible. So a Kerri/Sarah team wouldn't even need to play in 12 tournaments together. NOC isn’t going to force Kerri to play with anyone. The only way Kerri plays with Sarah is if Brooke is ‘injured’
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Post by graham on Jul 24, 2019 9:37:50 GMT -5
If Kerri and Sarah play in the OQT and earn an Olympic spot for USA, Sarah only needs to play in 4 more FIVB tournaments to be eligible. Remember, once a spot is earned by an NOC, the NOC can choose any COMBINATION of their top 12 eligible athletes to create the team. As long as the individuals have played in 12 tournaments, regardless of partner, they are eligible. So a Kerri/Sarah team wouldn't even need to play in 12 tournaments together. NOC isn’t going to force Kerri to play with anyone. The only way Kerri plays with Sarah is if Brooke is ‘injured’ Oh, I totally agree! I was just speculating on a possible scenario if Kerri CHOSE to dump Brooke to play with Sarah.
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Post by ajm on Jul 24, 2019 10:46:20 GMT -5
NOC isn’t going to force Kerri to play with anyone. The only way Kerri plays with Sarah is if Brooke is ‘injured’ Oh, I totally agree! I was just speculating on a possible scenario if Kerri CHOSE to dump Brooke to play with Sarah. I actually wasn't suggesting anyone dump anyone. How about Kerri playing with Sara in Haiyang as sort of a trial event? If they qualify, and they want to continue their partnership through the Olympics (with USAV's blessing), Sara can easily get in the minimum number of events before then. If that doesn't work out, Kerri goes back to Brooke, with whom she is still likely to qualify based on points. You really think Brooke would say no to that? Sara and Summer's chances to qualify are basically zero anyway. Nothing for Sara to lose and I'll bet Summer would even support her friend taking her only chance to qualify for 2020, assuming Summer isn't miraculously healed in a month.
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Post by tamz on Jul 24, 2019 10:56:38 GMT -5
That’s if Brooke is willing to let Kerri go on a test trial with Sara. If they qualify via this event, they Kerri cannot earn another berth for the USA. That’s why we are severely confused with the Bryl/Losiak pairing on the men’s side for this event.
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Post by tafit on Jul 24, 2019 10:57:08 GMT -5
Oh, I totally agree! I was just speculating on a possible scenario if Kerri CHOSE to dump Brooke to play with Sarah. I actually wasn't suggesting anyone dump anyone. How about Kerri playing with Sara in Haiyang as sort of a trial event? If they qualify, and they want to continue their partnership through the Olympics (with USAV's blessing), Sara can easily get in the minimum number of events before then. If that doesn't work out, Kerri goes back to Brooke, with whom she is still likely to qualify based on points. You really think Brooke would say no to that? Sara and Summer's chances to qualify are basically zero anyway. Nothing for Sara to lose and I'll bet Summer would even support her friend taking her only chance to qualify for 2020, assuming Summer isn't miraculously healed in a month. One player can earn maximum one Olympic-spot, so for KW playing with Sarah successfully the Haiyang event equals dumping Brooke. eidt: too slow
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Post by guest2 on Jul 24, 2019 11:14:54 GMT -5
Oh, I totally agree! I was just speculating on a possible scenario if Kerri CHOSE to dump Brooke to play with Sarah. I actually wasn't suggesting anyone dump anyone. How about Kerri playing with Sara in Haiyang as sort of a trial event? If they qualify, and they want to continue their partnership through the Olympics (with USAV's blessing), Sara can easily get in the minimum number of events before then. If that doesn't work out, Kerri goes back to Brooke, with whom she is still likely to qualify based on points. You really think Brooke would say no to that? Sara and Summer's chances to qualify are basically zero anyway. Nothing for Sara to lose and I'll bet Summer would even support her friend taking her only chance to qualify for 2020, assuming Summer isn't miraculously healed in a month. This was my thought as well Give it a try, if it works great, if not she and Brooke are close to in, I think if they qualify for next year's 5 stars. Thanks graham for the clarification
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Post by Wahinevball1234 on Jul 24, 2019 11:20:12 GMT -5
Well regardless, this isn’t happening. Kerri’s making it very clear on social media that she will not be dumping Brooke.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 24, 2019 11:27:23 GMT -5
That’s if Brooke is willing to let Kerri go on a test trial with Sara. If they qualify via this event, they Kerri cannot earn another berth for the USA. That’s why we are severely confused with the Bryl/Losiak pairing on the men’s side for this event. Brooke is not exactly in a position to make demands. What's her option?
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Post by ajm on Jul 24, 2019 12:16:16 GMT -5
Well regardless, this isn’t happening. Kerri’s making it very clear on social media that she will not be dumping Brooke. Never say never. One year ago Kerri made it very clear on social media that she would not be dumping Nicole Branagh!
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