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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 20:17:25 GMT -5
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Mar 28, 2019 20:31:38 GMT -5
I doubt that coaches are taking any of that into account when they recruit players. They just want to win.
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Post by MonicaGeller on Mar 28, 2019 20:32:49 GMT -5
Hmmm - as a parent of many girls that are also athletes, I agree, however it is not limited to females, men athletes are also judged on their appearance and frequently objectified on their sports “uniforms”. Think swimmers or wrestlers. Is their uniform too revealing? Athletes are athletes and are often put on a pedestal for their skills AND appearance. Many athletes are also models - their career choice, who are we to judge.
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 28, 2019 20:33:13 GMT -5
There’s enormous pressure on women to be attractive.
I was just reading an article about Elizabeth Holmes, the scammer of Theranos, on Vox (I think) which touched upon this issue. While only 2% of the population is blonde, among female CEOs, the percentage is at a whopping 48% — the vast vast majority being bottle blondes. (Being blonde is seen as being attractive.)
I also noticed that in the book Red Notice, which is about Russian corruption and which has nothing to do with athletics or beauty, the author (male) had this annoying tendency to point out whether a female was pretty or not. EVERY SINGLE FEMALE! It’s an otherwise fine book but that habit by the author really got under my skin. The pressure on women to be attractive isn’t alleviated by people like this who subconsciously objectify women.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 20:37:07 GMT -5
I doubt that coaches are taking any of that into account when they recruit players. They just want to win. Sure, but with regards to volleyball (the article covers other sports as well) it's more like parents hesitate to allow their daughter to play club volleyball. Plus guys not wanting to become volleyball fans cause they don't want to be seen as "creeps".
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 28, 2019 20:37:19 GMT -5
Speaking of good looks, I don’t know if it’s just me but Hawaii’s men’s player Colton Cowell was, I thought, really handsome last year when he was just a serving sub. This year, when he became a full time starter at OH, his looks went down a notch (or two). Maybe it was all the weight loss coupled with weight training that made his face look famished. I don’t know.
(I'll probably get ripped apart for this post, but hey, Colton is a guy and he probably doesn't give a rat's arse. Maybe his parents care, but I suspect they may agree with me. Mom: "You need more fat in your cheeks, honey.")
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 20:38:41 GMT -5
Speaking of good looks, I don’t know if it’s just me but Hawaii’s men’s player Colton Cowell was, I thought, really handsome last year when he was just a serving sub. This year, when he became a full time starter at OH, his looks went down a notch (or two). Maybe it was all the weight loss coupled with weight training that made his face look famished. I don’t know. This board used to be pretty against discussing player's looks (but discussing coaches' looks was fine).
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 28, 2019 20:58:02 GMT -5
I doubt that coaches are taking any of that into account when they recruit players. They just want to win. Sure, but with regards to volleyball (the article covers other sports as well) it's more like parents hesitate to allow their daughter to play club volleyball. Plus guys not wanting to become volleyball fans cause they don't want to be seen as "creeps".Don't get me started on beach volleyball and the bikinis... But it is rather sad to hear that, I mean would one say the same for female fans of the NBA? Or MLB? Funny thing is, when I visited Brazil and Italy and ask the locals about their volleyball scene, they do not really see volleyball as a sport defined by gender (i.e. girl's sport), or at least not as strongly defined by it as in the US. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that both their male NTs have strong performance and have won Olympic medals. But then so have the US, yet here it's very much seen as a "girl's sport".
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 28, 2019 21:11:04 GMT -5
There’s enormous pressure on women to be attractive. I was just reading an article about Elizabeth Holmes, the scammer of Theranos, on Vox (I think) which touched upon this issue. While only 2% of the population is blonde, among female CEOs, the percentage is at a whopping 48% — the vast vast majority being bottle blondes. (Being blonde is seen as being attractive.) It is quite possible that some male investors got duped due to Holmes' physical appeal. Although it wasn't just her looks that made her appear convincing. She had a way of making presentations and arguments that was very powerful. She could really sell any idea. That combined with her looks probably made her an excellent fraudster. But strictly just my personal view as a guy, I don't find Holmes attractive. Have you seen her publicity photos? She had that blank creepy stare. As if something is off-kilter with her. Now we know why, but even before the scandal broke, I always felt something wasn't right with her scary glance. Not attractive one bit.
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Post by MonicaGeller on Mar 28, 2019 21:17:36 GMT -5
Speaking of good looks, I don’t know if it’s just me but Hawaii’s men’s player Colton Cowell was, I thought, really handsome last year when he was just a serving sub. This year, when he became a full time starter at OH, his looks went down a notch (or two). Maybe it was all the weight loss coupled with weight training that made his face look famished. I don’t know. 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 21:20:18 GMT -5
Sure, but with regards to volleyball (the article covers other sports as well) it's more like parents hesitate to allow their daughter to play club volleyball. Plus guys not wanting to become volleyball fans cause they don't want to be seen as "creeps".Don't get me started on beach volleyball and the bikinis... But it is rather sad hear that, I mean would one say the same for female fans of the NBA? Or MLB? Funny thing is, when I visited Brazil and Italy and ask the locals about their volleyball scene, they do not really see volleyball as a sport defined by gender (i.e. girl's sport), or at least not as strongly defined by it as in the US. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that both their male NTs have strong performance and have won Olympic medals. But then so have the US, yet here it's very much seen as a "girl's sport". I think here in the US there`s not many boys playing volleyball because volleyball is simply a sport that does not pay much. So they easily go into football and basketball...of course besides the popularity. Just like in Brazil and Italy boys dream of becoming a soccer player. Fame and $$$....They won`t get that (much) with volleyball. But if you are 6'8 let`s say soccer won`t be good for you, so volleyball and basketball are next on the list. I remember one time reading something that Micah Christenson tried and wanted to be a basketball player but he realized he would not have much a chance in making it big, but volleyball would be a more realistic option.
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 28, 2019 21:32:28 GMT -5
There’s enormous pressure on women to be attractive. I was just reading an article about Elizabeth Holmes, the scammer of Theranos, on Vox (I think) which touched upon this issue. While only 2% of the population is blonde, among female CEOs, the percentage is at a whopping 48% — the vast vast majority being bottle blondes. (Being blonde is seen as being attractive.) It is quite possible that some male investors got duped due to Holmes' physical appeal. Although it wasn't just her looks than her made her appear convincing. She had a way of making presentations and arguments that was very powerful. She could really sell any idea. That combined with her looks probably made her an excellent fraudster. Companies tend to hire attractive people for sales -- and for good reason. Physical appearance is probably 50% of the battle. Unless you're a used car salesman, in which case they just hire the fatties. This reminds me of a joke. From the Captain Scarlett DLC of the Borderlands 2 video game. Captain Scarlett, who is female, says, "I have one rule on my ship: no deserters. That, and no fatties."
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 28, 2019 21:33:23 GMT -5
It's a tough to wrestle issue. I am all for gender equality of sports and non-objectification of women. But at the same time, I think it's kind of unrealistic to just pretend human biology have no impact on athletes. It is unavoidable that some may be drawn to an athlete's looks (and let's face it, some volleyball players have even took advantage of that by actually earning some extra $$$ on the side with some part-time modelling, not saying that is right or wrong, but I am simply stating a fact, not implying a value judgement). I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with someone who happened to be beautiful, yet is also highly talented and hard-working athlete. To tackle the issue, one must first recognized that sex appeal does exist, not necessarily a comfortable subject to discuss between men and women, especially in this time of heightened sensitivity over sexual harassment and the room for misunderstanding, but I think one needs to confront the issue between the sexes honestly for there to be some progress on dealing with sexualized portrayal of female athletes. I mean, it's easy to say "we must not objectify female athletes", but does it get us anywhere in terms of real change in attitude? There has to be some frank discussion between guys and girls, done in atmosphere of mutual respect of the sexes to be sure, but where both gender feel comfortable airing their thoughts first.
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 28, 2019 21:41:25 GMT -5
It is quite possible that some male investors got duped due to Holmes' physical appeal. Although it wasn't just her looks than her made her appear convincing. She had a way of making presentations and arguments that was very powerful. She could really sell any idea. That combined with her looks probably made her an excellent fraudster. Companies tend to hire attractive people for sales -- and for good reason. Physical appearance is probably 50% of the battle. Unless you're a used car salesman, in which case they just hire the fatties. This reminds me of a joke. From the Captain Scarlett DLC of the Borderlands 2 video game. Captain Scarlett, who is female, says, "I have one rule on my ship: no deserters. That, and no fatties." Of course, only the truly naive would think those hired for PR or marketing are solely on their ability and not for their looks. In the Holmes' case, it is interesting. She was able to enlist some powerful folks to come on the board of Theranos. And the venture capital folks are supposed to do due diligence to check on the numbers behind any start-up to see if the math works out or not. You are not supposed to buy someone ideas' just by how good-looking or persuasive the entrpreneur is. But they failed their own test with the Theranos scandal. I read somewhere this is because Holmes did presentations like telling a story. We all like good stories, and Holmes happened to be a good story-teller, although she had nothing to back up her tales in that case.
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Post by Not Me on Mar 28, 2019 21:43:09 GMT -5
I find this an ironic conversation to be having for volleyball, when 1/2 the sport is mostly known to the general public because the participants play in bathing suits.
Btw, many male athletes are judged on their physical appearance.
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