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Post by stevehorn on Apr 19, 2019 17:47:08 GMT -5
I am curious about the SEC reference. Is the conference unique in this respect? It is the only one I have experience with, so I wouldn't know about others. I assumed in fully funded programs across the nation, especially P5's, that it would be the same. Generically, SEC schools have the most money and the fewest sports to spend that money on. I’d think they’re most likely to have no issue funding both classes and housing year-round for athletes. There are some poorly-funded Power 5s. (Rutgers comes to mind) No P5 school, including Rutgers, should be called poorly funded. Rutgers being in the Big 10 is getting over $40 million in television revenue if it is now getting a full share. Not sure that they are getting a full share yet, but they are getting a good chunk of it.
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Post by n00b on Apr 19, 2019 18:11:21 GMT -5
Generically, SEC schools have the most money and the fewest sports to spend that money on. I’d think they’re most likely to have no issue funding both classes and housing year-round for athletes. There are some poorly-funded Power 5s. (Rutgers comes to mind) No P5 school, including Rutgers, should be called poorly funded. Rutgers being in the Big 10 is getting over $40 million in television revenue if it is now getting a full share. Not sure that they are getting a full share yet, but they are getting a good chunk of it. It's all relative. Compared to Nebraska, Rutgers is poorly funded. Compared to many D3 schools, St. Peter's is very well-funded.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 19, 2019 19:33:04 GMT -5
No P5 school, including Rutgers, should be called poorly funded. Rutgers being in the Big 10 is getting over $40 million in television revenue if it is now getting a full share. Not sure that they are getting a full share yet, but they are getting a good chunk of it. It's all relative. Compared to Nebraska, Rutgers is poorly funded. Compared to non-P5 schools, Rutgers is well funded. In terms of the current discussion, Rutgers has plenty of funding for summer scholarships for its athletes.
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 19, 2019 19:49:19 GMT -5
Hypothetical:
Let’s say it’s fall 2018 and there’s a team filled with 12 scholarship players of one (1) senior plus a bunch of other players of various classes. This is the senior’s final year of eligibility for indoor volleyball. It’s now May 2019 and graduation is almost upon us. This team has one recruit who has signed her NLI.
Let’s say this senior can’t graduate on time in May 2019. She has plans to register for more classes in June/July 2019. The recruit also wants to register early so that she can take classes in June/July 2019. How does the scholarship distribution work? Would the senior get funded some other way which does not count toward the max 12, while the recruit gets funded and gets counted toward the max 12?
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Post by trainermch on Apr 19, 2019 20:14:09 GMT -5
Hypothetical: Let’s say it’s fall 2018 and there’s a team filled with 12 scholarship players of one (1) senior plus a bunch of other players of various classes. This is the senior’s final year of eligibility for indoor volleyball. It’s now May 2019 and graduation is almost upon us. This team has one recruit who has signed her NLI. Let’s say this senior can’t graduate on time in May 2019. She has plans to register for more classes in June/July 2019. The recruit also wants to register early so that she can take classes in June/July 2019. How does the scholarship distribution work? Would the senior get funded some other way which does not count toward the max 12, while the recruit gets funded and gets counted toward the max 12? If a now-senior took classes across 3 summers and "can't" graduate on time, then something's amiss. The incoming freshman should get the scholarship. Maybe the senior would secure a job on or off-campus or work the camps that summer. Get motivated to graduate maybe.
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Post by trainermch on Apr 19, 2019 20:21:25 GMT -5
Generically, SEC schools have the most money and the fewest sports to spend that money on. I’d think they’re most likely to have no issue funding both classes and housing year-round for athletes. There are some poorly-funded Power 5s. (Rutgers comes to mind) No P5 school, including Rutgers, should be called poorly funded. Rutgers being in the Big 10 is getting over $40 million in television revenue if it is now getting a full share. Not sure that they are getting a full share yet, but they are getting a good chunk of it. This was also my thought process. I am genuinely curious about this. Not feeling defensive in the least about the SEC's being named, so don't read into this. Was that just an example, or is the SEC different from other conferences in this respect? Educate me!
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Post by n00b on Apr 19, 2019 20:43:59 GMT -5
No P5 school, including Rutgers, should be called poorly funded. Rutgers being in the Big 10 is getting over $40 million in television revenue if it is now getting a full share. Not sure that they are getting a full share yet, but they are getting a good chunk of it. This was also my thought process. I am genuinely curious about this. Not feeling defensive in the least about the SEC's being named, so don't read into this. Was that just an example, or is the SEC different from other conferences in this respect? Educate me! Nothing special about the SEC. they just have more money than the other conferences.
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Post by n00b on Apr 19, 2019 20:44:46 GMT -5
It's all relative. Compared to Nebraska, Rutgers is poorly funded. Compared to non-P5 schools, Rutgers is well funded. In terms of the current discussion, Rutgers has plenty of funding for summer scholarships for its athletes. Glad to hear that. I believe it was just in the past few years that they were supplied with the full 12 scholarships.
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Post by n00b on Apr 19, 2019 20:47:17 GMT -5
Hypothetical: Let’s say it’s fall 2018 and there’s a team filled with 12 scholarship players of one (1) senior plus a bunch of other players of various classes. This is the senior’s final year of eligibility for indoor volleyball. It’s now May 2019 and graduation is almost upon us. This team has one recruit who has signed her NLI. Let’s say this senior can’t graduate on time in May 2019. She has plans to register for more classes in June/July 2019. The recruit also wants to register early so that she can take classes in June/July 2019. How does the scholarship distribution work? Would the senior get funded some other way which does not count toward the max 12, while the recruit gets funded and gets counted toward the max 12? If a now-senior took classes across 3 summers and "can't" graduate on time, then something's amiss. The incoming freshman should get the scholarship. Maybe the senior would secure a job on or off-campus or work the camps that summer. Get motivated to graduate maybe. Kids change majors. If they’re in a niche program, coaches might not let them take some required classes due to practice schedules. There are many reasons that a driven, intelligent, hard-working athlete could take more than 4 years to get a degree.
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Post by trainermch on Apr 19, 2019 20:58:04 GMT -5
If a now-senior took classes across 3 summers and "can't" graduate on time, then something's amiss. The incoming freshman should get the scholarship. Maybe the senior would secure a job on or off-campus or work the camps that summer. Get motivated to graduate maybe. Kids change majors. If they’re in a niche program, coaches might not let them take some required classes due to practice schedules. There are many reasons that a driven, intelligent, hard-working athlete could take more than 4 years to get a degree. I did think of the major change as I typed, but 3 summers of classes is a minimum of 6 classes. I would guess that the hypothetical situation occurs somewhat frequently, yet the show must go on. I was speculating that the program would go ahead and assign the incoming freshman the scholarship (as promised) and perhaps assist the senior by directing them to some form of employment for income whilst they completed their requirements to graduate. I didn't mean to imply they would be left to figure it all out on their own, although I wouldn't be surprised if that were someone's story.
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Post by n00b on Apr 19, 2019 21:14:35 GMT -5
Kids change majors. If they’re in a niche program, coaches might not let them take some required classes due to practice schedules. There are many reasons that a driven, intelligent, hard-working athlete could take more than 4 years to get a degree. I did think of the major change as I typed, but 3 summers of classes is a minimum of 6 classes. I would guess that the hypothetical situation occurs somewhat frequently, yet the show must go on. I was speculating that the program would go ahead and assign the incoming freshman the scholarship (as promised) and perhaps assist the senior by directing them to some form of employment for income whilst they completed their requirements to graduate. I didn't mean to imply they would be left to figure it all out on their own, although I wouldn't be surprised if that were someone's story. I’m not positive, but I actually think the year of counter status ends with the spring semester and the summer class count as the following year. So the not-graduating senior wouldn’t be a counter because she has no eligibility remaining. Should be able to scholarship both kids (if the budget allows). Edit: this has to be true or schools wouldn’t be able to ever pay for summer classes for incoming freshmen.
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Post by trainermch on Apr 19, 2019 21:18:25 GMT -5
I did think of the major change as I typed, but 3 summers of classes is a minimum of 6 classes. I would guess that the hypothetical situation occurs somewhat frequently, yet the show must go on. I was speculating that the program would go ahead and assign the incoming freshman the scholarship (as promised) and perhaps assist the senior by directing them to some form of employment for income whilst they completed their requirements to graduate. I didn't mean to imply they would be left to figure it all out on their own, although I wouldn't be surprised if that were someone's story. I’m not positive, but I actually think the year of counter status ends with the spring semester and the summer class count as the following year. So the not-graduating senior wouldn’t be a counter because she has no eligibility remaining. Should be able to scholarship both kids (if the budget allows). Edit: this has to be true or schools wouldn’t be able to ever pay for summer classes for incoming freshmen. Aaaahhh makes much sense.
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