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Post by burbank55 on Apr 7, 2019 13:04:22 GMT -5
Meant to create a USC Beach thread earlier in the season, but have been too busy. I’m sure some people will want to discuss beating UCLA today and better to discuss it in a separate thread than in Sandball’s. Cannon Slater came up big after having a rocky season compared to the expectations after last year’s excellent results. Why such easy wins at 1s and 2s? Very uncharacteristic of the McNamaras and Sponcil-Justine. USC Beach Volleyball Schedule: usctrojans.com/schedule.aspx?path=wbvballUSC Beach Volleyball Pairs Results (through 4/27 matches): Ones - Abril Bustamante / Tina Graudina 31-2
Twos - Terese Cannon / Sammy Slater 24-8
Threes - Alexandra Poletto / Haley Hallgren 29-2
Fours - Joy Dennis / Maja Kaiser 14-8
Joy Dennis / Cammie Dorn 5-3
Joy Dennis / Hannah Martin 1-2
Fives - Cammie Dorn / Mollie Ebertin 6-8
Maja Kaiser / Mollie Ebertin 7-4
Cammie Dorn / Laurel Kujan 0-1
Laurel Kujan / Hannah Martin 3-2
Cammie Dorn / Hannah Martin 2-0
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Post by burbank55 on Apr 7, 2019 13:04:47 GMT -5
USC Recruiting news: April 13, 2019 Nourse twins take 5th at FIVB Langkawi worldtour.2019.fivb.com/en/news/dykstra-and-house-clinch-semifinal-spot-at?id=80847April 4, 2019 Nourse twins make third FIVB main draw: www.fivb.org/en/BeachVolleyball/viewPressRelease.asp?No=80712&Language=enUSC Beach Recruiting List: 2019 Audrey Nourse - 2018 Team USA A1 U19, 2018 USAV U19 Champions, 2017 BVCA 16U Champs Nicole Nourse - 2018 Team USA A1 U19, 2018 USAV U19 Champions, 2017 BVCA 16U Champs Kyla Doig - 2018 Team USA A1 U19, 2018 USAV U19 5th place Harper Hallgren - 2018 Team USA A1 U19, 2018 USAV U19 4th place Presley Simo Anastasia Lima - 2018 USAV U19 10th place Molly Davis Anaree Smith Ariyana Kim 2020 Delaynie Maple - 2018 Team USA U17, 2018 USAV U17 Champions Olivia Bakos - 2018 Team USA U17, 2018 USAV U17 2nd place Meg Kraft - 2018 Team USA U17, 2018 USAV U17 Champions Hallie Carballo Ivana Rusich Tommi Stockham - 2018 BVCA 16U Gold Champion, decommitted Caitlin Cummings - 2018 USAV U19 7th place Lauren Harrison 2021 Natalie Myszkowski - 2018 Team USA U17, 2018 USAV U17 6th place Tatiana Rusich Ava Gallien - 2018 Team USA U17, 2018 USAV U17 7th place Eden McCoy - 2017 BVCA 14U Gold 2nd place, soap opera ⭐️ Ava Kirunchyk - 2017 BVCA 14U Gold 5th place Colby Bennett - 2017 BVCA 14U Gold 2nd place Thinking about the pairs for 2020: Slater/Hallgren (Haley hasn’t blocked in 2 years, but they have proven chemistry) Nourse/Nourse Dennis/Kaizer Dorn/Ebertin lots who could challenge for the Fives |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 14:28:37 GMT -5
This would have been a good board early in the season. There were some comments about the team in another board that could have been discussed here. Anyways, great win for USC and handing UCLA their first loss. I was really wondering if Sponcil/Justine were going to go undefeated throughout the season but they've dropped 2 now and same with the Twins (although both losses were to Bustamante/Graudina). I didn't think Slater/Cannon would get over the hump against the Sponcil/Justine combo. I at least thought Cannon would have some insights on Sponcil since they paired up in a few circuits. Also what's with pair 4 at USC? Monkhouse/Simmo(UCLA) are no joke (although you could joke about them winning a set 21-4 and then losing the next two sets to lose the dual) but Joy & her partner are not as competitive when facing them (except the first meeting when Joy/Kaiser lost by 4 both sets) |
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Post by noblesol on Apr 7, 2019 18:24:53 GMT -5
This would have been a good board early in the season. There were some comments about the team in another board that could have been discussed here. Anyways, great win for USC and handing UCLA their first loss. I was really wondering if Sponcil/Justine were going to go undefeated throughout the season but they've dropped 2 now and same with the Twins (although both losses were to Bustamante/Graudina). I didn't think Slater/Cannon would get over the hump against the Sponcil/Justine combo. I at least thought Cannon would have some insights on Sponcil since they paired up in a few circuits. Also what's with pair 4 at USC? Monkhouse/Simmo(UCLA) are no joke (although you could joke about them winning a set 21-4 and then losing the next two sets to lose the dual) but Joy & her partner are not as competitive when facing them (except the first meeting when Joy/Kaiser lost by 4 both sets) Re some of these lopsided set scores, which get erased in later sets. I don't know if it's being coached, but I've seen some pairs that are losing a set will expend minimum energy to come back in the set and instead just try to get their opponent to expend maximum energy in winning out the set. They are losing the set anyway, so all that is to be gained is to conserve energy while making the opponent chase their tails off getting to 21. It's a 'rope a dope' strategy. The opponent gets overconfident and tires out some, while the loser is cruising in the set loss. The next set they come out guns blazing and the momentum shift catches the overconfident pair by surprise. |
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Post by sonofdogman on Apr 7, 2019 20:40:30 GMT -5
This would have been a good board early in the season. There were some comments about the team in another board that could have been discussed here. Anyways, great win for USC and handing UCLA their first loss. I was really wondering if Sponcil/Justine were going to go undefeated throughout the season but they've dropped 2 now and same with the Twins (although both losses were to Bustamante/Graudina). I didn't think Slater/Cannon would get over the hump against the Sponcil/Justine combo. I at least thought Cannon would have some insights on Sponcil since they paired up in a few circuits. Also what's with pair 4 at USC? Monkhouse/Simmo(UCLA) are no joke (although you could joke about them winning a set 21-4 and then losing the next two sets to lose the dual) but Joy & her partner are not as competitive when facing them (except the first meeting when Joy/Kaiser lost by 4 both sets) Re some of these lopsided set scores, which get erased in later sets. I don't know if it's being coached, but I've seen some pairs that are losing a set will expend minimum energy to come back in the set and instead just try to get their opponent to expend maximum energy in winning out the set. They are losing the set anyway, so all that is to be gained is to conserve energy while making the opponent chase their tails off getting to 21. It's a 'rope a dope' strategy. The opponent gets overconfident and tires out some, while the loser is cruising in the set loss. The next set they come out guns blazing and the momentum shift catches the overconfident pair by surprise. Can you explain how to force an opponent to expend maximum energy without expending a bit yourself? I'm having trouble figuring that scenario out. |
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Post by retej13 on Apr 7, 2019 21:42:43 GMT -5
Mcnamara twins just ran out of gas, played matches Wednesday then flew to Toronto for Canadian World Trials, WON that event had to go straight to airport to fly back To Cali on Fri night to play matches Saturday and Sunday. my guess is they just were exhausted.
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Post by burbank55 on Apr 7, 2019 23:48:24 GMT -5
Yeah, the strategy is used a lot in tennis... if you have a lead and fall behind in a set, then you tank rather than exert energy for a lower chance of winning the set.
Does anyone know what happened to Mollie Ebertin? She was pretty entrenched at the Fives until a couple of weeks ago. It looked like she took the trip to the Bay, but she’s not even playing in the Exhibition matches. She must be either ill, hurt or academically ineligible.
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Post by diskprotek on Apr 8, 2019 0:37:05 GMT -5
Yeah, the strategy is used a lot in tennis... if you have a lead and fall behind in a set, then you tank rather than exert energy for a lower chance of winning the set. Does anyone know what happened to Mollie Ebertin? She was pretty entrenched at the Fives until a couple of weeks ago. It looked like she took the trip to the Bay, but she’s not even playing in the Exhibition matches. She must be either ill, hurt or academically ineligible. Was at the matches this weekend. Heard that she was injured but hoping to return this season. |
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Post by noblesol on Apr 8, 2019 1:39:13 GMT -5
Re some of these lopsided set scores, which get erased in later sets. I don't know if it's being coached, but I've seen some pairs that are losing a set will expend minimum energy to come back in the set and instead just try to get their opponent to expend maximum energy in winning out the set. They are losing the set anyway, so all that is to be gained is to conserve energy while making the opponent chase their tails off getting to 21. It's a 'rope a dope' strategy. The opponent gets overconfident and tires out some, while the loser is cruising in the set loss. The next set they come out guns blazing and the momentum shift catches the overconfident pair by surprise. Can you explain how to force an opponent to expend maximum energy without expending a bit yourself? I'm having trouble figuring that scenario out. The inability of the opponent to understand the strategy, let alone when it is being employed against them, is one of the keys to it working most successfully. |
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Post by sonofdogman on Apr 8, 2019 8:02:17 GMT -5
Can you explain it, or will you just keep on raving mystically about it?
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Post by diskprotek on Apr 8, 2019 8:15:42 GMT -5
Mcnamara twins just ran out of gas, played matches Wednesday then flew to Toronto for Canadian World Trials, WON that event had to go straight to airport to fly back To Cali on Fri night to play matches Saturday and Sunday. my guess is they just were exhausted. I think this may have been an excuse had they played on Saturday, but this match was on Sunday. The matches they played on Saturday were not challenging at all (Washington barely plays beach and Cal had a player from their 6s playing at the 1s spot when Mirkovich was sidelined with flu-like symptoms). It was a beat down. Overall, the twins are 2-4-1 vs Tina and Abril. So it’s not as though this was a stunning upset. Alternatively, under this theory, you might as well toss out USCs loss to South Carolina as the whole team had just played 6 duals in three days, travelled east and then got slotted with a 7am PST start time for that dual. |
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Post by retej13 on Apr 8, 2019 9:40:40 GMT -5
wasn’t making any excuses for the twins (they wouldn’t make any either) or taking away from USC win... the question was asked about the “lopsided” score and i think it may have been due to simply nothing left in the tank after 10 matches and crossing time zones.. just an oponion
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Post by noblesol on Apr 8, 2019 12:28:48 GMT -5
Can you explain it, or will you just keep on raving mystically about it? You'd be most susceptible. |
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Post by Semp12 on Apr 8, 2019 12:59:15 GMT -5
Can you explain it, or will you just keep on raving mystically about it? I didn't see this specific game, but conserving by not exerting a lot of energy. Don't put anything extra onto a serve, swings, or on defense- but continue to hit some shots, dumps, etc, forcing your opponent to use energy to win the set. It's a pretty simple premise. |
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Post by noblesol on Apr 8, 2019 13:04:17 GMT -5
Can you explain it, or will you just keep on raving mystically about it? I didn't see this specific game, but conserving by not exerting a lot of energy. Don't put anything extra onto a serve, swings, or on defense- but continue to hit some shots, dumps, etc, forcing your opponent to use energy to win the set. It's a pretty simple premise. It works best when the opponent doesn't understand it. Even better if you can get them to exert extra mental and emotional energy by teasing/taunting them. |
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