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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 20:42:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 20:50:56 GMT -5
I liked that scene too. It confirms again Arya is just a badass now. I had the opposite conclusion. I thought I could see Arya questioning herself. What did he do to make her hate him -- he killed a boy she had been playing with. But she kills people ALL THE F*CKING TIME now. Is she really any different from the Hound? Is the Hound really a bad guy? Well The Hound follows the orders of that @$$%*!* Joffrey, bad in the way he doesn’t intervene in the injustice of others unless it affects him directly. Arya doesn’t follow orders to kill the actress, but beats the Waif when she is sent to kill her. I mean they both kill people out of self defense, revenge, and justice. So they are the kind of bad people that you want on your side.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 16, 2019 21:16:24 GMT -5
I liked that scene too. It confirms again Arya is just a badass now. I had the opposite conclusion. I thought I could see Arya questioning herself. What did he do to make her hate him -- he killed a boy she had been playing with. But she kills people ALL THE F*CKING TIME now. Is she really any different from the Hound? Is the Hound really a bad guy? Well, many of the Game of Thrones characters aren't really completely "good" or "evil". Sure, you got pretty clear-cut villains like Tywin Lannister, Joffrey and Ramsay Bolton. But they were eventually all killed off. And even other amoral characters like Little Finger actually aided Sansa for quite a while before his treacherous history is revealed and executed. Even Cersei, one of the remaining big bad in the final season, has a complicated history. And her incestuous brother has shown shades of grey throughout the series, committing evil acts on one hand and feeling conflicted emotions and eventually deciding to abandon her sister to aid the North. At least in Arya's case, she only kills people who she thought deserved it (I.e. getting revenge for the Red Wedding and sparing an innocent maid). She kill those who harmed her family, not killing at random. I don't think she regretted that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 22:08:30 GMT -5
Anticipating the words Lyanna Mormont will have for Ser Jorah. Jamie and Brienne reunion. Bran and Jamie awkward conversation. I don’t think there’s enough time for Brienne, Tormund, and the Hound shenanigans.
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Post by jayj79 on Apr 16, 2019 22:47:16 GMT -5
Anticipating the words Lyanna Mormont will have for Ser Jorah. I don't think Lyanna Mormont was even born yet when Jorah was exiled. I wouldn't be surprised if those two never really had any interaction on screen. They both already saw and talked each other in Kings Landing at the end of season 7. I bet Bran realizes that if Jaime had never pushed him off the tower, he never would have become the Three-Eyed Raven.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 16, 2019 22:52:47 GMT -5
At least in Arya's case, she only kills people who she thought deserved it Um ... she was an assassin for the House of Black and White. She had to kill anybody they ordered her to kill.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 23:09:10 GMT -5
Anticipating the words Lyanna Mormont will have for Ser Jorah. I don't think Lyanna Mormont was even born yet when Jorah was exiled. I wouldn't be surprised if those two never really had any interaction on screen. They both already saw and talked each other in Kings Landing at the end of season 7. I bet Bran realizes that if Jaime had never pushed him off the tower, he never would have become the Three-Eyed Raven. I’m sure she knows her family history. Seems like ages ago doesn’t it, Reunion was probably the wrong word, maybe a reconciliation that rather than face her in battle, he wants to be on the right side. The Bran we know as a little kid is dead, I just look forward to beautiful people in uncomfortable situations.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 16, 2019 23:47:51 GMT -5
At least in Arya's case, she only kills people who she thought deserved it Um ... she was an assassin for the House of Black and White. She had to kill anybody they ordered her to kill. No. She join because she wanted to avenge the killers of her parents and get revenge on the Lannisters. Killing others were a means to an end. When she had a choice, she did not kill innocents (like that maid). Like I said, there are many characters, like Arya, who aren't black and white in Game of Thrones, they sometimes resort to immoral trickery or violence to survive, but fundamentally, the audience would root for Arya, she is an anti-hero.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 17, 2019 2:54:44 GMT -5
Um ... she was an assassin for the House of Black and White. She had to kill anybody they ordered her to kill. No. She join because she wanted to avenge the killers of her parents and get revenge on the Lannisters. Killing others were a means to an end. When she had a choice, she did not kill innocents (like that maid). Like I said, there are many characters, like Arya, who aren't black and white in Game of Thrones, they sometimes resort to immoral trickery or violence to survive, but fundamentally, the audience would root for Arya, she is an anti-hero. I didn't watch those early seasons of the TV show, but the Arya of the books killed anybody she was ordered to kill. In fact, she had to put away her identity as Arya Stark and become "no one". The only thing she held back was hiding Needle instead of destroying it like she was ordered to. The Faceless Assassins don't kill for pay; they kill for the god of death. However, they accept contracts for money that goes to the House Of Black And White. Arya never quite really becomes "no one", but she certainly does kill many people simply because she is ordered to, not because she thinks the deserve it.
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Post by jayj79 on Apr 17, 2019 9:09:59 GMT -5
I didn't watch those early seasons of the TV show, but the Arya of the books killed anybody she was ordered to kill. In fact, she had to put away her identity as Arya Stark and become "no one". The only thing she held back was hiding Needle instead of destroying it like she was ordered to. The Faceless Assassins don't kill for pay; they kill for the god of death. However, they accept contracts for money that goes to the House Of Black And White. Arya never quite really becomes "no one", but she certainly does kill many people simply because she is ordered to, not because she thinks the deserve it. I'm fairly sure the books only mention one person that Arya killed simply because she was ordered to, and that would be the Braavosi insurance salesman.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 17, 2019 9:47:45 GMT -5
I didn't watch those early seasons of the TV show, but the Arya of the books killed anybody she was ordered to kill. In fact, she had to put away her identity as Arya Stark and become "no one". The only thing she held back was hiding Needle instead of destroying it like she was ordered to. The Faceless Assassins don't kill for pay; they kill for the god of death. However, they accept contracts for money that goes to the House Of Black And White. Arya never quite really becomes "no one", but she certainly does kill many people simply because she is ordered to, not because she thinks the deserve it. I'm fairly sure the books only mention one person that Arya killed simply because she was ordered to, and that would be the Braavosi insurance salesman. Yes, I guess that's true ... so far. As the books ended, she had accepted a new assignment to infiltrate herself in an acting group, but she hasn't yet been ordered to kill anybody else. I was extrapolating, but it could be that things change.
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Post by akbar on Apr 17, 2019 12:34:46 GMT -5
Tyrion being marginalized bugs me a little but I'm intrigued by Bran or should I say the Three Eyed Ravens storyline.
Basically if Arya, Bran and Tyrion survive and everyone else dies...I'm good with it.
Wonder how long her kill list is?
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 17, 2019 23:59:10 GMT -5
No. She join because she wanted to avenge the killers of her parents and get revenge on the Lannisters. Killing others were a means to an end. When she had a choice, she did not kill innocents (like that maid). Like I said, there are many characters, like Arya, who aren't black and white in Game of Thrones, they sometimes resort to immoral trickery or violence to survive, but fundamentally, the audience would root for Arya, she is an anti-hero. I didn't watch those early seasons of the TV show, but the Arya of the books killed anybody she was ordered to kill. In fact, she had to put away her identity as Arya Stark and become "no one". The only thing she held back was hiding Needle instead of destroying it like she was ordered to. The Faceless Assassins don't kill for pay; they kill for the god of death. However, they accept contracts for money that goes to the House Of Black And White. Arya never quite really becomes "no one", but she certainly does kill many people simply because she is ordered to, not because she thinks the deserve it. Well like I said, she joined to learn the skills to avenge her parents. As for killing other people, well that is a means to an end, that is almost like a motto in the Game of Thrones.
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Post by jayj79 on Apr 18, 2019 15:12:08 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure the books only mention one person that Arya killed simply because she was ordered to, and that would be the Braavosi insurance salesman. Yes, I guess that's true ... so far. As the books ended, she had accepted a new assignment to infiltrate herself in an acting group, but she hasn't yet been ordered to kill anybody else. I was extrapolating, but it could be that things change. It is possible that the book plotline follows a similar path to how the show went (she was told to kill a certain actress, because someone had hired the guild to take out their rival, but Arya decided that she didn't want to kill someone who didn't "deserve" it in her eyes), or it could go in a different direction. There have been instances of both thus far. We won't really know until GRRM finally publishes "Winds of Winter" (if he ever does)
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Post by gnu2vball on Apr 18, 2019 17:53:38 GMT -5
Yes, I guess that's true ... so far. As the books ended, she had accepted a new assignment to infiltrate herself in an acting group, but she hasn't yet been ordered to kill anybody else. I was extrapolating, but it could be that things change. It is possible that the book plotline follows a similar path to how the show went (she was told to kill a certain actress, because someone had hired the guild to take out their rival, but Arya decided that she didn't want to kill someone who didn't "deserve" it in her eyes), or it could go in a different direction. There have been instances of both thus far. We won't really know until GRRM finally publishes "Winds of Winter" (if he ever does) I think Cersei (sp?) contracted for the actress to be killed.
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