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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 22, 2019 18:45:07 GMT -5
Not many changes in regional representation for 18 Open. The top 7/8 regions in the country have almost two-thirds of the field... no notable shifts in geographical dominance.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 22, 2019 18:49:20 GMT -5
Not many changes in regional representation for 18 Open. The top 7/8 regions in the country have almost two-thirds of the field... no notable shifts in geological dominance. Geographical dominance.
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Post by azvolleydad on Apr 22, 2019 18:52:54 GMT -5
Not many changes in regional representation for 18 Open. The top 7/8 regions in the country have almost two-thirds of the field... no notable shifts in geological dominance. Arizona landed five open bids in 18s this year. I think that's a first for us!
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 22, 2019 19:05:14 GMT -5
Not many changes in regional representation for 18 Open. The top 7/8 regions in the country have almost two-thirds of the field... no notable shifts in geological dominance. Arizona landed five open bids in 18s this year. I think that's a first for us! Knocking on the door of the Top 5!
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Post by vbprisoner on Apr 22, 2019 21:02:08 GMT -5
I can't believe there will be around 272 - 280 teams attending the 18s GJNC in Dallas. 48 teams - Open 48 teams - National 48 teams - American 64 teams - USA 64-72 teams - Patriot I just figured after maybe the top 75-100 teams the remainder of the 18s teams would wind down senior year and look to stay healthy before they head off to school for summer training as incoming Freshman. Not that it changes much, but there are 48 teams in USA division, not 64. Yeah, I mixed up USA and American division. American lists out 64 teams while USA shows 48 teams.
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Post by vbjustice on Apr 22, 2019 21:14:16 GMT -5
do we even count Patriot? Are those earned bids? Serious question.
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Post by charger0304 on Apr 22, 2019 21:34:25 GMT -5
do we even count Patriot? Are those earned bids? Serious question. Patriot Division is sign-up-and-pay-first.
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Post by boh on Apr 22, 2019 23:51:10 GMT -5
Patriot filled very quickly I believe, I am curious what that level of play looks like....how many clubs in there are good but just played open all year and couldn’t qualify? I’m sure there are some teams that aren’t great in that group, but could the championship or even last few rounds of gold be really good Vb? Asking that honestly.
I’d be shocked if anyone outside of the top 5 seeds win open. I do agree that overall it seems 18s are down this year, but still some great talent. And the top few 18 open teams I’ve seen this year were very fun to watch.
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Post by ned3vball on Apr 23, 2019 5:59:57 GMT -5
Not many changes in regional representation for 18 Open. The top 7/8 regions in the country have almost two-thirds of the field... no notable shifts in geological dominance. Arizona landed five open bids in 18s this year. I think that's a first for us! The New England region had a team qualify for Open (SMASH VBC). But it will probably be a few geological epochs before we get to dominance.
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Post by ned3vball on Apr 23, 2019 6:34:09 GMT -5
What is the theory on the Open seeding? They go straight across 1-8, why not just go back in the other directions 9-16, and return 17-24 , and so forth? They flip within pairs for the 2 seeds (8 v 10 and 7 v 9). Then for the 3 seeds they flip the pairs (19 and 20 flipped with 17 and 18).
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 23, 2019 6:44:33 GMT -5
Patriot filled very quickly I believe, I am curious what that level of play looks like....how many clubs in there are good but just played open all year and couldn’t qualify? I’m sure there are some teams that aren’t great in that group, but could the championship or even last few rounds of gold be really good Vb? Asking that honestly. I’d be shocked if anyone outside of the top 5 seeds win open. I do agree that overall it seems 18s are down this year, but still some great talent. And the top few 18 open teams I’ve seen this year were very fun to watch. Doubtful there are any "Open" teams that you describe in the Patriot division. If a team played Open in national qualifiers and didn't qualify, they still would have the opportunity to qualify for one of the other divisions in their regional qualifier. For instance, I noticed Houston Juniors is in the American division.
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Post by vbjustice on Apr 23, 2019 7:18:21 GMT -5
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Post by azvolleydad on Apr 23, 2019 11:45:50 GMT -5
What is the theory on the Open seeding? They go straight across 1-8, why not just go back in the other directions 9-16, and return 17-24 , and so forth? They flip within pairs for the 2 seeds (8 v 10 and 7 v 9). Then for the 3 seeds they flip the pairs (19 and 20 flipped with 17 and 18). That is interesting. I hadn't noticed. I know that they flip teams around to avoid having multiple teams from the same region in the same pool, but that doesn't explain the 8v10, 7v9 flips. Maybe they're trying to avoid challenge matches after pool play between teams from the same region, assuming that seeding holds?
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Post by salsolomon on Apr 23, 2019 13:00:32 GMT -5
Arizona landed five open bids in 18s this year. I think that's a first for us! The New England region had a team qualify for Open (SMASH VBC). But it will probably be a few geological epochs before we get to dominance. SMASH 18s beat the 6 seed Elevation at Crossroads and also beat the 8 seed MAVS at Triple Crown. Looks like SMASH is finally trying to turn the club's total dominance of New England into some degree of success nationally. I've coached against that team and they have some strong players, but no real superstars.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 23, 2019 13:03:01 GMT -5
What is the theory on the Open seeding? They go straight across 1-8, why not just go back in the other directions 9-16, and return 17-24 , and so forth? They flip within pairs for the 2 seeds (8 v 10 and 7 v 9). Then for the 3 seeds they flip the pairs (19 and 20 flipped with 17 and 18). That is interesting. I hadn't noticed. I know that they flip teams around to avoid having multiple teams from the same region in the same pool, but that doesn't explain the 8v10, 7v9 flips. Maybe they're trying to avoid challenge matches after pool play between teams from the same region, assuming that seeding holds? Like you I couldn't readily spot any obvious reason for the flips. Is a bit puzzling.
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