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Post by ned3vball on Apr 23, 2019 13:08:40 GMT -5
What is the theory on the Open seeding? They go straight across 1-8, why not just go back in the other directions 9-16, and return 17-24 , and so forth? They flip within pairs for the 2 seeds (8 v 10 and 7 v 9). Then for the 3 seeds they flip the pairs (19 and 20 flipped with 17 and 18). I worked through it. The answer is they want the 24 teams that advance to the 8 G1 challenge groups to be in pure seed groupings (1, 16, 17), (2, 15, 18), (3, 14, 19), . . . . (8, 9, 24). So they shifted the #2 seed in each R1 pool, 1 pool over, and #3 seed in each R1 pool, 2 pools over, that way overall seeds 1, 16, and 17 are in 3 different R1 pools and can be advanced to the same challenge group, and so forth 7 more times. Pretty neat. And you can not play a team from your original pool till the semi-finals at the earliest.
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Post by azvolleydad on Apr 23, 2019 13:25:23 GMT -5
What is the theory on the Open seeding? They go straight across 1-8, why not just go back in the other directions 9-16, and return 17-24 , and so forth? They flip within pairs for the 2 seeds (8 v 10 and 7 v 9). Then for the 3 seeds they flip the pairs (19 and 20 flipped with 17 and 18). I worked through it. The answer is they want the 24 teams that advance to the 8 G1 challenge groups to be in pure seed groupings (1, 16, 17), (2, 15, 18), (3, 14, 19), . . . . (8, 9, 24). So they shifted the #2 seed in each R1 pool, 1 pool over, and #3 seed in each R1 pool, 2 pools over, that way overall seeds 1, 16, and 17 are in 3 different R1 pools and can be advanced to the same challenge group, and so forth 7 more times. Pretty neat. And you can not play a team from your original pool till the semi-finals at the earliest. Wow. It's funny that I'm surprised when USAV actually does something with seeding that makes so much sense!
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 23, 2019 13:29:12 GMT -5
That is interesting. I hadn't noticed. I know that they flip teams around to avoid having multiple teams from the same region in the same pool, but that doesn't explain the 8v10, 7v9 flips. Maybe they're trying to avoid challenge matches after pool play between teams from the same region, assuming that seeding holds? I recall a few years ago 3 Texas teams (2 with 30 miles of each other) were in an opening day pool at a regional qualifier. Just a horrible deal even if just an anomaly. At some of the qualifiers, I'm not sure those are always an anomaly. Some have the appearance of stacking the pools to perhaps provide an easier path for some local teams.
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Post by MsRSV on Apr 23, 2019 15:45:58 GMT -5
And for the really important stuff... whatever happened to effin' wristbands??? We have to show a QR code and an ID every time we enter? I think I'll have to laminate the QR code for 85+yo mom, she doesn't carry a cell phone and she'll be digging through her handbag for ID... it's gonna slow things down. Arrrrrg.
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Post by ned3vball on Apr 23, 2019 18:29:52 GMT -5
And for the really important stuff... whatever happened to effin' wristbands??? We have to show a QR code and an ID every time we enter? I think I'll have to laminate the QR code for 85+yo mom, she doesn't carry a cell phone and she'll be digging through her handbag for ID... it's gonna slow things down. Arrrrrg. I know, it is getting ridiculous. At Boston this year, instead of handing someone $15 in cash and slapping on a wristband. I was walked over to a laptop and had to fill in a registration form. All so they could email me a QR code. You have a cell phone don't you, they said accusingly. I almost lied and said no and played the "old guy" card, but I was polite and went through it all. And then, after waiting in line, you have to show a driver's license and the code to a semi-comatose security guy. I hope you are not trying to carry a coat or anything at the same time. Arrrrg is right!
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Post by joethecoach on Apr 23, 2019 18:33:32 GMT -5
And for the really important stuff... whatever happened to effin' wristbands??? We have to show a QR code and an ID every time we enter? I think I'll have to laminate the QR code for 85+yo mom, she doesn't carry a cell phone and she'll be digging through her handbag for ID... it's gonna slow things down. Arrrrrg. If it's like the system they used at Big South & DC, it's actually pretty easy. They were great with the seniors we were with and accepted printed barcode and ID. They actually printed one for my aunt and had it waiting for us when we left. We also didn't have to wait in line to get our wristbands the first day which can take a lot of time. The morning line to get in was pretty fast and it's nice that they know everyone in the CC. I was told by a scanning person (not confirmed) that they caught two creepers who were arrested and won't be able to get into another one of their events because their names and IDs are blacklisted. I'm sure it's more about preventing cheaters from sharing wristbands, but the security part is reassuring with so many girls running around.
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Post by vbfamily on Apr 23, 2019 18:43:28 GMT -5
What is the theory on the Open seeding? They go straight across 1-8, why not just go back in the other directions 9-16, and return 17-24 , and so forth? They flip within pairs for the 2 seeds (8 v 10 and 7 v 9). Then for the 3 seeds they flip the pairs (19 and 20 flipped with 17 and 18). I worked through it. The answer is they want the 24 teams that advance to the 8 G1 challenge groups to be in pure seed groupings (1, 16, 17), (2, 15, 18), (3, 14, 19), . . . . (8, 9, 24). So they shifted the #2 seed in each R1 pool, 1 pool over, and #3 seed in each R1 pool, 2 pools over, that way overall seeds 1, 16, and 17 are in 3 different R1 pools and can be advanced to the same challenge group, and so forth 7 more times. Pretty neat. And you can not play a team from your original pool till the semi-finals at the earliest. They also try to separate teams to prevent inter-region play within the initial pools of six. I was assuming they left the original seed and swapped teams in pools when needed (a seed 2 in a pool for the closes seed 2 in another pool). I didn't notice any pools with teams from the same region, but just checked quickly. In regard to QR codes...UGH...I don't mind the code on the phone, but having to get my license out each time is really a pain! We also went through it in Boston. Coaches/Parents/Spectators all showed codes and ID before entering.
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Post by boh on Apr 23, 2019 20:29:48 GMT -5
Patriot filled very quickly I believe, I am curious what that level of play looks like....how many clubs in there are good but just played open all year and couldn’t qualify? I’m sure there are some teams that aren’t great in that group, but could the championship or even last few rounds of gold be really good Vb? Asking that honestly. I’d be shocked if anyone outside of the top 5 seeds win open. I do agree that overall it seems 18s are down this year, but still some great talent. And the top few 18 open teams I’ve seen this year were very fun to watch. Doubtful there are any "Open" teams that you describe in the Patriot division. If a team played Open in national qualifiers and didn't qualify, they still would have the opportunity to qualify for one of the other divisions in their regional qualifier. For instance, I noticed Houston Juniors is in the American division.
Maybe my example was a little extreme, but your example of Houston Juniors is sort of what I meant. They would easily be a solid national or USA team, they need more ball control to be an open team, yet they are below both national and USA because they played in open.
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Post by n00b on Apr 23, 2019 20:35:38 GMT -5
Doubtful there are any "Open" teams that you describe in the Patriot division. If a team played Open in national qualifiers and didn't qualify, they still would have the opportunity to qualify for one of the other divisions in their regional qualifier. For instance, I noticed Houston Juniors is in the American division.
Maybe my example was a little extreme, but your example of Houston Juniors is sort of what I meant. They would easily be a solid national or USA team, they need more ball control to be an open team, yet they are below both national and USA because they played in open. If they are in the American division, it's because they played in the Lone Star bid tournament and finished too low to get a National bid. They finished 4th behind Austin Jrs, Alamo and TAV Houston.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 23, 2019 21:03:30 GMT -5
Doubtful there are any "Open" teams that you describe in the Patriot division. If a team played Open in national qualifiers and didn't qualify, they still would have the opportunity to qualify for one of the other divisions in their regional qualifier. For instance, I noticed Houston Juniors is in the American division.
Maybe my example was a little extreme, but your example of Houston Juniors is sort of what I meant. They would easily be a solid national or USA team, they need more ball control to be an open team, yet they are below both national and USA because they played in open.
As the poster above mentioned, Houston Juniors is in American because they didn't qualify for a National bid in their regional tournament. Playing Open in their qualifiers did prevent them from playing for a USA bid, but not a National bid since those are only available through regional qualifying, not national qualifiers.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 23, 2019 21:10:21 GMT -5
Maybe my example was a little extreme, but your example of Houston Juniors is sort of what I meant. They would easily be a solid national or USA team, they need more ball control to be an open team, yet they are below both national and USA because they played in open. If they are in the American division, it's because they played in the Lone Star bid tournament and finished too low to get a National bid. They finished 4th behind Austin Jrs, Alamo and TAV Houston. Austin Jrs and Alamo got the National bids. I noticed that the Lone Star region got the top three seeds in the American division with TAV Houston the #2 seed and Houston Juniors the #3 seed.
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Post by boh on Apr 23, 2019 21:43:32 GMT -5
My original post was mainly questioning how wide the level of play would vary based on teams not being able to qualify in the division they wanted to. Houston Juniors was a perfect example because I believe they would get some wins in open, they’d finish probably at worst middle of the pack in national, and probably have a really solid chance of winning USA, yet they are below all of those.
I understand the qualifying process, my question was regarding the variance in levels of play. Like, could you have 2 teams in the final of American that could have also been in the final in National? It seems like that is a solid possibility, maybe I am missing something? But the Houston Juniors example seems to be a good example of what I was trying to say. I guess we will find out this weekend.
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Post by vbfamily on Apr 23, 2019 22:11:25 GMT -5
Always some strong teams in American that just play open qualifiers and are from strong regions with other teams that only play Open Qualifiers. There are some weak regions, so some pool play not great, but once you get to Gold you will see some very good volleyball!
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Post by coachk2 on Apr 24, 2019 9:04:02 GMT -5
In 4th year of new 18's GJNC's, one change has been made in the broadcast schedule of the Gold Medal Finals. The 18 Open Final will be at 1:30 pm CDT rather than the traditional noon start. The 18 National Final will be at noon CDT and the 18 USA Final will be at 3 pm CDT. Looking forward to three great matches, but, for those who only watch Open, plan your day slightly differently! 😁
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Post by gavbdad on Apr 24, 2019 9:25:21 GMT -5
In regards to the QR code hassle, at the Music City qualifier, we simply took a photo of our license, used pic collage app and added it to the QR code in a picture on phone. Only had to show that to enter...no digging through wallet to find ID. Worked great and was very quick. Security loved it!
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