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Post by volleyguy on Apr 23, 2019 10:04:08 GMT -5
Probably because the burden of proof is lower. She isn't alleging rape, and it is well past the actual date of the incident, so there is likely very little, if any, physical evidence. Thanks for explaining. So with no evidence, and potentially just a video of her coming and leaving his room, she is hoping for public exposure and possibly a settlement? I don't think it's necessarily that simple or crass. If it actually happened, what do you want or expect her to do? In a perfect world, she would have reported the incident immediately afterwards, and there would have been a more direct contemporaneous resolution. But it is well-established that many women (and some men) don't report these type of incidents immediately, for a variety of reasons. For example, she may know his wife and/or his kids. I don't know what if any facts may exist, but publicity and/or a settlement are not the only possible motivations that exist here.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 23, 2019 10:08:58 GMT -5
Terrible situation, but why sue instead of going to the authorities? What is the statute of limitations for reporting this in California? Burden of proof is different in a civil case. You just need to convince 5/6 of the jury that the defendant is more likely than not to be guilty. In a criminal case you need to convince 6/6 of a jury that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It's usually really hard to get a criminal conviction with no witnesses, no evidence, and only he said / she said.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 23, 2019 10:15:13 GMT -5
Jesus, the comments under the Bleacher Report article Never look at comments like that unless you want to have your eyes burned out by the hate. It's particularly bad in forums where men expect to be talking to other men (like most sports sites, this forum being an exception).
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Post by volleylearner on Apr 23, 2019 10:24:21 GMT -5
The information in the original article is a bit jumbled. LAT has more/better info. www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-luke-walton-sexual-assault-lawsuit-lakers-kings-20190422-story.htmlIn particular, they had worked together as broadcasters before he went into coaching and she thought of him as a mentor. He had written the foreword for her book and she was dropping off a copy at the hotel. The lawsuit claims she told friends about the hotel incident. There is also a second harassment allegation. Walton's lawyer says Tennant is an opportunist and not credible, but that is to be expected. Her story is certainly believable.
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Post by jgrout on Apr 23, 2019 10:44:34 GMT -5
So we’ve already blamed Tennant for putting herself in that situation of going to his hotel room and questioned whether she may have made the whole thing up due to her mental instability. Maybe this can serve as a short illustration why most rape victims don’t come forward. I didn’t write the article I cited or put words in her mouth. This kind of reaction to facts... that Web page was there and showed up at the top of a Google search and said what I said it did... is one of the reasons I despise attempts to use social media to lynch those alleged of crimes. Now that this thread has descended into tribal defense of “victims”, it should probably be pinned to the politics board.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 23, 2019 10:49:41 GMT -5
The information in the original article is a bit jumbled. LAT has more/better info. www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-luke-walton-sexual-assault-lawsuit-lakers-kings-20190422-story.htmlIn particular, they had worked together as broadcasters before he went into coaching and she thought of him as a mentor. He had written the foreword for her book and she was dropping off a copy at the hotel. The lawsuit claims she told friends about the hotel incident. There is also a second harassment allegation. Walton's lawyer says Tennant is an opportunist and not credible, but that is to be expected. Her story is certainly believable. I would say her story is plausible. Whether you believe it or not is matter of credibility of the only two witnesses. As a general rule, I do tend to believe people who make these kinds of accusations. In this specific case I have no feeling for either person, but I have a general sympathy for Tennant because I'm more familiar with her due to her volleyball announcing.
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Post by jgrout on Apr 23, 2019 11:02:20 GMT -5
If one party in a “he said, she said” can be shown to have signs of diminished mental capacity at the time of an alleged assault, that person’s credibility may be doubted... but other things can make them more credible.. For example, I was repeatedly assaulted as a pre-teen and the offender’s psychiatrist did not report them, as he was obliged to do. Sure, I was a crazy mixed-up kid... but I was also incredibly damaged. I did not want the offender to touch me, and the horror about what I went through was quite credible. The people Ms. Tennant told about what happened at the time may well be able to make her credible no matter what her past may have held. Another point is that, if it happened as she said, she would probably not have been the accused’s first victim... and if multiple other women with plausible accounts, compete with contemporaneous reports to peers, come forward, as they did for Bill Cosby, his credibility would be severely damaged.
“trust, but verify” > #WeBelieve
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Post by John Tawa-VolleyballMag.com on Apr 23, 2019 12:13:14 GMT -5
I have neither seen nor spoken to Kelli in quite a long time. She was one of my favorite PEOPLE I covered in all of volleyball. This is a sad situation, for her and for Bre, whom I also know (though not as well).
I believe Kelli. Nothing in my many interactions with her over the years would suggest that she is an opportunist looking for publicity or money. She is a smart, thoughtful woman with the courage to make the accusation publicly, knowing the negative reaction it would generate. I believe in her and wish for her a resolution that brings peace and closure.
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 23, 2019 13:05:02 GMT -5
He is hot and I agree that my comment is totally inappropriate.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 23, 2019 13:38:07 GMT -5
Not that it's a comment on the accusation or anything, but one article I read called Tennant "a star volleyball player for USC". Is that really so? I know she had to leave the sport early (after sophomore year) due to her fibromyalgia. Was she a "star" before then? I guess she was on the conference All-Freshman team. I mainly know her as a PAC12 Network reporter. Interesting that she was a PAC-10 middle blocker and so was Luke Walton's wife, Bre Ladd. I'm confused. Was this suppose to be a highlight reel for motor mouth Kelli Tenant, or Asia Kazcor!
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Post by moderndaycoach on Apr 23, 2019 16:50:26 GMT -5
More articles coming out and they are starting to have different details, one article talked about how Walton wanted her to come up to the room as to avoid being seen, this article says that Walton wanted to catch up. If Walton was seriously making noises and still openly hitting on her in front of people like this article claims he is a monster scumbag, but like a lot of these cases this is going to be a giant pile of he said/she said. www.tmz.com/2019/04/22/luke-walton-sued-sexual-battery/
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 23, 2019 18:28:20 GMT -5
I hadn't realized Kelli had recently left broadcasting. But now I wonder about it. I mean, as an LA sports reporter she obviously would end up interacting with the coach of the Lakers.
As I understand it, many victims of sexual assault don't report it because they just want the whole thing to have not happened. Reporting it tends to end up with the incident taking over your life; many people just want to move on and put it as far behind them as possible even if it means the person who assaulted them gets away with it.
But in her case, she kept running into this guy professionally, and she was the one who ended up being forced out of her profession while he moved forward with his. I can understand her finally saying, "That's just not f*cking right!" and deciding to take action, even if it is several years after the alleged event.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 23, 2019 18:40:29 GMT -5
I hadn't realized Kelli had recently left broadcasting. But now I wonder about it. I mean, as an LA sports reporter she obviously would end up interacting with the coach of the Lakers. As I understand it, many victims of sexual assault don't report it because they just want the whole thing to have not happened. Reporting it tends to end up with the incident taking over your life; many people just want to move on and put it as far behind them as possible even if it means the person who assaulted them gets away with it. But in her case, she kept running into this guy professionally, and she was the one who ended up being forced out of her profession while he moved forward with his. I can understand her finally saying, "That's just not f*cking right!" and deciding to take action, even if it is several years after the alleged event. MANHATTAN BEACH — One door closes, and another opens. Kelli Tennant stepped away for a while after the conclusion of the 2017 Dodgers season. After five seasons with the Time Warner and then Spectrum SportsNet networks, working on baseball, basketball and soccer telecasts and studio shows, she left Spectrum last fall, shut down her social media accounts for a few months, and regrouped even as viewers wonder where she went. www.pe.com/2018/08/18/alexander-with-avp-coverage-and-a-podcast-kelli-tennant-is-busy/
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Post by volleylearner on Apr 23, 2019 21:05:38 GMT -5
Tennant's statement at today's press conference:
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 24, 2019 18:12:57 GMT -5
sports.yahoo.com/luke-waltons-lawyer-doubles-down-with-tonedeaf-statement-against-kelli-tennant-214410443.htmlWalton's lawyer is taking an aggressive "attack Tennant" strategy, claiming that she's just an opportunist in this for the money. I don't know what rock he slithered out from under, but one thing should be clear to everybody by now -- coming forward with an accusation like Tennant has done is extremely painful, and anybody who does it knows they are going to face a sh*t-blizzard of troll attacks. It's beyond belief that Tennant would have opened herself up to this for trivial reasons.
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