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Post by vbjustice on May 2, 2019 12:25:39 GMT -5
Does anyone know why these meetings took place in New York? Seems a like a strange location for a Big Ten meeting. Good question. And in Queens? St Johns territory.
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Post by Wolfgang on May 2, 2019 12:30:53 GMT -5
Why does it have to be held in B1G country? From my experience, all "big" meetings, e.g., conferences, are held in locations far far away from home base, often in Maui, Monterey (CA), Santa Monica (CA), or Las Vegas.
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Post by vbjustice on May 2, 2019 12:32:58 GMT -5
Is BTN headquartered out of NY?
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Post by lukeskywalker on May 2, 2019 12:39:32 GMT -5
Is BTN headquartered out of NY? I thought big ten offices were located in Chicago, which would make sense for a meeting location
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Post by pepperbrooks on May 2, 2019 12:40:18 GMT -5
Why does it have to be held in B1G country? From my experience, all "big" meetings, e.g., conferences, are held in locations far far away from home base, often in Maui, Monterey (CA), Santa Monica (CA), or Las Vegas. Those are all sunny.
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 2, 2019 12:50:36 GMT -5
Iowa, Illinois and RU probably have the most diverse coaching staffs. diverse = not white male Shymansky, Tamas and Werneke are awfully white and male. Bond at least is from Iowa City, did undergrad and grad at Iowa, and played for the Iowa men’s club team.
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Post by Phaedrus on May 2, 2019 13:07:04 GMT -5
Of course. I was referring to their entire coaching staff (incl assistants and associates). I know you were. I'm not being entirely fair, but balancing a staff with assistants and associates reminds me of a defense contractor I worked for in the distant past that balanced their staff of all white male engineers by hiring minority women to clean at night. Yes, the books balanced, but something was inherently wrong with that picture. One thing that comes with the staffing is that they are giving the minority coaches a chance to be seen and a chance to be mentored, assuming that they are being mentored. This is somewhat the same thought as the Rooney rule, the NFL teams are required to at least interview minority candidates. This is nothing like hiring minority female janitors. The hope is that these candidates will move on to better and more responsible jobs, thereby moving them up the food chain until they can get a shot at the big chair in a top conference. Having said that, will we soon see a brave AD make that big hire in a big time school? I don't think so, but at least we will have a group of known and hopefully well trained minority candidates to consider so that when the ADs do stonewall and pretend that there aren't any qualified minority or female candidates, counterexamples can be offered. This is better than sacrificing the inexperienced and ill-prepared candidates jump into the big seat and fail miserably, thereby giving the ADs more ammo and causing them to quit and get out of coaching altogether.
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Post by hammer on May 2, 2019 14:49:20 GMT -5
The B1G knows about their diversity problem and have identified two multi-sport coaches that they will require every team to consider for any coaching position ... FYI: Age discrimination will not be an issue like the Pac-12
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 2, 2019 15:07:56 GMT -5
One thing that comes with the staffing is that they are giving the minority coaches a chance to be seen and a chance to be mentored, assuming that they are being mentored. This is somewhat the same thought as the Rooney rule, the NFL teams are required to at least interview minority candidates. This is nothing like hiring minority female janitors. The hope is that these candidates will move on to better and more responsible jobs, thereby moving them up the food chain until they can get a shot at the big chair in a top conference. Having said that, will we soon see a brave AD make that big hire in a big time school? I don't think so, but at least we will have a group of known and hopefully well trained minority candidates to consider so that when the ADs do stonewall and pretend that there aren't any qualified minority or female candidates, counterexamples can be offered. This is better than sacrificing the inexperienced and ill-prepared candidates jump into the big seat and fail miserably, thereby giving the ADs more ammo and causing them to quit and get out of coaching altogether. After 50 years of women's college volleyball championships with women's participation dramatically higher than men's, we are still waiting for a "brave AD"? Here is the thing: Those same AD's have hired 11 women basketball HC's in the B1G, in a sport where participation for men is higher than for women. This is volleyball problem, and a big one. How can you blame ADs who contact and want to hire the top women coaches, but those coaches aren't taking HC jobs or refuse to move from mid-level jobs to big ones?
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Post by bkedane on May 2, 2019 15:47:43 GMT -5
One thing that comes with the staffing is that they are giving the minority coaches a chance to be seen and a chance to be mentored, assuming that they are being mentored. This is somewhat the same thought as the Rooney rule, the NFL teams are required to at least interview minority candidates. This is nothing like hiring minority female janitors. The hope is that these candidates will move on to better and more responsible jobs, thereby moving them up the food chain until they can get a shot at the big chair in a top conference. Having said that, will we soon see a brave AD make that big hire in a big time school? I don't think so, but at least we will have a group of known and hopefully well trained minority candidates to consider so that when the ADs do stonewall and pretend that there aren't any qualified minority or female candidates, counterexamples can be offered. This is better than sacrificing the inexperienced and ill-prepared candidates jump into the big seat and fail miserably, thereby giving the ADs more ammo and causing them to quit and get out of coaching altogether. After 50 years of women's college volleyball championships with women's participation dramatically higher than men's, we are still waiting for a "brave AD"? Here is the thing: Those same AD's have hired 11 women basketball HC's in the B1G, in a sport where participation for men is higher than for women. This is volleyball problem, and a big one. You are right that they have hired many women head coaches in basketball. Have those big ten coaches won any basketball championships?
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Post by JT on May 2, 2019 18:12:19 GMT -5
Median age in the B1G is, iirc, under 50 (using the assumption that people graduated at 23 if a birth date wasn't found)
How many years of experience should a coach have before getting a HC position in a major conference school?
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Post by stevehorn on May 2, 2019 18:47:14 GMT -5
After 50 years of women's college volleyball championships with women's participation dramatically higher than men's, we are still waiting for a "brave AD"? Here is the thing: Those same AD's have hired 11 women basketball HC's in the B1G, in a sport where participation for men is higher than for women. This is volleyball problem, and a big one. You are right that they have hired many women head coaches in basketball. Have those big ten coaches won any basketball championships? To be accurate, the list of B1G volleyball coaches who have won national championships at a B1G school is not a long one. I believe it is only two.
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Post by stevehorn on May 2, 2019 18:50:38 GMT -5
After 50 years of women's college volleyball championships with women's participation dramatically higher than men's, we are still waiting for a "brave AD"? Here is the thing: Those same AD's have hired 11 women basketball HC's in the B1G, in a sport where participation for men is higher than for women. This is volleyball problem, and a big one. How can you blame ADs who contact and want to hire the top women coaches, but those coaches aren't taking HC jobs or refuse to move from mid-level jobs to big ones? Do you really think this is the problem? If so, explain why it is a problem in volleyball when women's basketball seems to be able to find a large number of women coaches to take HC jobs and move from mid level jobs to big ones.
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Post by dizzydean on May 2, 2019 18:57:09 GMT -5
So...who should these ADs be hiring for these Big Ten jobs instead of Aird, Hughes, Bond, Tamas...
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 2, 2019 19:07:02 GMT -5
How can you blame ADs who contact and want to hire the top women coaches, but those coaches aren't taking HC jobs or refuse to move from mid-level jobs to big ones? I didn't say I blamed AD's. I want to know what is wrong with the volleyball community to account for the fact that women make up 88% of participants in high school level volleyball, but account for just 7% of women's volleyball head coaches in the B1G, while girls are only 43% of participants in high school basketball, but account for 79% of women's basketball head coaches in the B1G? I am not interested in excuses, I want to know the cause if these numbers. What possible explanation is there after 50 years as a college championship sport other than rampant and systemic sexual discrimination? Volleyball is unique in that the biggest and highest-paying jobs are on the women's side. ~60% of NCAA women's basketball head coaches are women, meaning ~80% of NCAA basketball head coaches are men (because all of the men's teams have male head coaches). What percentage of total NCAA volleyball coaches are men? Maybe it's aspects of being an NCAA head coach that is responsible for the lack of women, not idiot ADs.
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