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Post by 808 on May 16, 2019 19:00:01 GMT -5
I do not mind if they're leaving because of beach vb playing time reasons. I hope they're not leaving because they hated Hawaii or the University of Hawaii. That would break my heart. Yeah, Monkhouse leaving the program definitely hurt more than Luyties or Bunn (although I heard Bunn was homesick). Am I understanding your comment correctly? Monkhouse left because she hated Hawaii or the University of Hawaii? And Luyties and Bunn left because of lack of playing time?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 19:13:47 GMT -5
It is surprising to me that Stevens left being that she traveled with the team. I wonder if there was self doubt (skill wise) that she could compete against returning and incoming players. She seems so close to cracking the line-up along with Banz.
Just a direct comparison with Banz, Banz started more games than Stevens did. Banz 9 (2-7), Stevens, 4 (3-1). I wouldn't count Banz's record against her since 4 of those matches were played in the East meets West weekend. They were both in Manhattan beach I just find it odd that Stevens didn't get to start more than Banz since she was at flight 6/alternative.
Maybe there's some in-house issues with the way the roster was handled for the NCAA tournament, allowing Iosia to play over Dreeuws. Looking at it in a players perspective that move may have showed lack of confidence in the players but on the other hand you have to win.
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Post by kaipono on May 16, 2019 22:39:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Monkhouse leaving the program definitely hurt more than Luyties or Bunn (although I heard Bunn was homesick). Am I understanding your comment correctly? Monkhouse left because she hated Hawaii or the University of Hawaii? And Luyties and Bunn left because of lack of playing time? Well, yes. I wouldn't say that Monkhouse hated Hawaii, but a few people stated that "she wasn't happy here". That coupled with UCLA's beach program probably caused her to transfer out. Luyties transferring was most likely due to a lack of playing time, but it is probable that she wanted to go back closer to home as well.
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Post by kaipono on May 16, 2019 23:20:01 GMT -5
I’m thinking that Banz is leaving as well. So the people we will lose from this past season are: Stevens, Forbes, Gaskin, Adolpho, Maglio, Homayun, Huddleston, Misraje, and possibly Banz. The players coming in are: Hannemann, Hardisty, Huddleston, Sato, Maidment, Iosia (for an entire season), and Hellvig. Hopefully, Hall is looking at another transfer or so...
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Post by brooselee on May 16, 2019 23:53:04 GMT -5
I’m thinking that Banz is leaving as well. So the people we will lose from this past season are: Stevens, Forbes, Gaskin, Adolpho, Maglio, Homayun, Huddleston, Misraje, and possibly Banz. The players coming in are: Hannemann, Hardisty, Huddleston, Sato, Maidment, Iosia (for an entire season), and Hellvig. Hopefully, Hall is looking at another transfer or so... Those coming in seems to have better resumes. Gaskin, Adolpho, Misraje, and Banz were not realistically going to play much. Steven is very undersized and not explosive enough an athlete to make up for the lack of size. Dreeuws would be a loss so will lose 4 impact players in Paige, Ari, Emily and Iilawe. Hannemann, Hardisty, Maidment and Hellvig all won numerous medals and are consider future starters. Blossom is from a volleyball family and a four year indoors player and we know what Norene can do. Even a walk on like Ilihia Huddleston could contend. She has size(5-11) and placed first in numerous tournaments. Huddleston and her partner Megan Widener won a few tournaments together. Widener is committed to UH for 2021. Hall will have more talent to choose from in 2020. We should be young in the lower fights but I think we will be much improved too.
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Post by kaipono on May 17, 2019 0:06:56 GMT -5
I’m thinking that Banz is leaving as well. So the people we will lose from this past season are: Stevens, Forbes, Gaskin, Adolpho, Maglio, Homayun, Huddleston, Misraje, and possibly Banz. The players coming in are: Hannemann, Hardisty, Huddleston, Sato, Maidment, Iosia (for an entire season), and Hellvig. Hopefully, Hall is looking at another transfer or so... Those coming in seems to have better resumes. Gaskin, Adolpho, Misraje, and Banz were not realistically going to play much. Steven is very undersized and not explosive enough an athlete to make up for the lack of size. Dreeuws would be a loss so will lose 4 impact players in Paige, Ari, Emily and Iilawe. Hannemann, Hardisty, Maidment and Hellvig all won numerous medals and are consider future starters. Blossom is from a volleyball family and a four year indoors player and we know what Norene can do. Even a walk on like Ilihia Huddleston could contend. She has size(5-11) and placed first in numerous tournaments. Hall will have more talent to choose from in 2020. We should be young in the lower fights but I think we will be much improved too. Agreed (although I'm still hoping that Dreeuws isn't transferring). I do think we will maybe be one player away from competing with UCLA, USC, and all the other top schools though, so I'm still holding out hope that we will get a transfer.
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Post by volleyrate on May 17, 2019 11:17:51 GMT -5
2019 HAWAII has 5 Transfers
Presley Forbes-Going to FIU. Look back at news articles Forbes went into the program as the “GEM” quoted by head coach Hall. Big loss for Hawaii. Forbes & Stevens player at East Meets West & took LSU to 3 games lost by 2 points. They played #30 of LSU who finished the season in line 3. The game they won was by a land slide. They lost both games by 2. Forbes is a stud! Big loss for HAWAII
Paige Dreeuws-STUD will get picked up! She should had never been out of the line up to begin with. Dreeuws a beach only player had been a blocker & defender is 100 times better than putting an indoor player in that has not played beach in year. What the heck are these coaches doing? Biggest mistake on a national level that these coaches made by pulling Dreeuws out for Gulf Shores. Big loss for HAWAII
Ashley Stevens-LMU another all beach player with great ball control. She could had been a steady player for them next year. Watched her at East Meets West with Forbes and she balled out with another defender against two bigs. Big loss for HAWAII.
Jenna Banz-Some program wold love to have a girl with her potential. She has potential with her long reach. She could had been a solid 5-6 next year. She played with Loker at East Meets West looked solid to me. Big loss for HAWAII
Arden Misraje-Came from indoor. Never saw her play so can’t comment.
Kristen-Transfer from Utah good height what happened to her?
The question is why did they loose so many in one season and why are they still coaching? They had several All beach players who proved they can ball out Stevens/Dreeuws/Forbes leave the program. Evan wrote an article about pairing partners and chemistry. If you watched pair 5 at Gulf Shores who never played together drop balls between them & get aced, would be safe to say Even knows nothing about chemistry. And why do you put two girls who have never played together with a national title on the line when you had several other all beach players to choose from? You could hear Evan telling the girls I need two things from pair 5 in Gulf Shores, I need better focus & more intensity. They could not pass a ball so that’s what he tells them. How about focus on the first pass or chance topic. Sophia was nervous she needed something other than I need better focus and more intensity. That’s the time as a coach you have 3 seconds to snap your players out of a funk not put them under more pressure.
HAWAII lost a lot of talent this year & prior years. They lost Leah to UCLA #1 school, Luyties to Cal Berkelery #10,Smith to Cal Berkelery #10, Forbes to FIU #9. My bet is Dreeuws ends up at a top 10 school. Two questions, why did they loose so many this year & why have they lost so many in the past few years to top 10 schools?
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Post by volleyrate on May 17, 2019 11:49:12 GMT -5
HAWAII dose not need a new transfer they need new coaches!
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Post by newbeach on May 17, 2019 13:41:48 GMT -5
I won't comment on the speculation of players leaving because most of it is speculation.
I will say that some players have left because they wanted playing time and they weren't getting it. The reality is some of those players were not good enough to crack the starting lineup with the personnel that was there. Just because some of these players were good junior players does not mean they will be good D1 players. We also had a lot of defenders this year and that meant some were going to sit. The players did get opportunity to step up and either they didn't prove themselves and/or have good chemistry with whom they were paired with. The #5 pair was an issue all season long.
UH has been a top 3-5 team for the past several years and decent players will leave to lower-ranked teams where they think they will get more playing time. It's not like any of them (with the exception of Monkhouse) are leaving to higher ranked teams. The ones that have left have not proved that they could get playing time even at lower ranked schools (Luyties played in a few matches but was not a regular starter for Cal. I consider her a player with a lot of potential compared to some of the others that left and hopefully she will get playing time next season there).
Sometimes players do have to work their way into the lineup and it will take a couple years. Many players don't want to wait. With the exception of this past season, it was pretty tough to crack the lineup with the depth we had. Carly Kan was an exceptional player who worked her way into the lineup because she was good! She may not have had as extensive beach background as some players, but she more than proved herself. This is tough for some of the all-beach players who sit as a result.
One of the reasons Luyties left was due to an inter-personal problem with a player who played in 2018 (but was not there in 2019). Monkhouse didn't exactly fit in with the UH girls (she really didn't talk to anyone at the first tournament of the year at UH). She cited many various reasons for leaving UH which I know was confusing even to some of her former teammates. Lea wants to go to the Olympics and she felt she would have a better chance playing for a "better" team. Yes, she did have some problems with Hall over her release (but some of that is understandable given the situation with her defecting) and she felt she could get better coaching and competition at UCLA. What was kind of sad is that I think if Maglio had committed to come back to UH sooner, Monkhouse may not have left and would have tried to stick it out for another year (they were possibly going to be partners). The timing with Monkhouse leaving and Maglio committing to coming back were just a few weeks off and at the time Maglio didn't know for sure that Lea was leaving, and Lea didn't know Mags was coming back. It may not have made a difference, but it might have. Partly, for Lea the team didn't look like it would be very strong and she wanted to play for a contender.
Banz did have a wrist injury that affected her this past season and she was a little behind where she would have been if not for the injury. I would not think Jenna leaves because she loves Hawaii, but I guess you never know...defections tend to cause a ripple affect. Banz and Dreeuws are good friends, so let's hope Dreeuws doesn't leave either. I can't see why Dreeuws would leave, she also loves Hawaii and would definitely be a starter again next year. I can also see Banz getting starting time.
I have commented before about the incoming players I think will get playing time (Maidment, Hellvig etc.), but Huddleston should also be in the mix. IMO.
There was apparently a few girls who didn't get along (at the lower flights and alternatives). Not sure who and why. Doesn't much matter, but those kind of things also affect transfers. Ables has had some injuries and I am not sure how committed she was to the team. She didn't always show up to games or practices (because she was injured) whereas someone like Banz did.
I find it funny that when someone likes the coach they say "that player can't be very good because the coach isn't playing them" (Sibley was one example in indoors where people said this because they liked the coaching staff, the problem had to be with Sibley and not that she wasn't in the coaches favor at the time). When people don't like the coaches, they say "that player is good, they had so much potential" and imply that the coaches are bad because that player isn't getting playing time. There will always be coaches "prejudices" over some players and not others (in every sport, at every level) and team chemistry also plays into who gets playing time. As well, the player personnel affect who gets playing time (and it is different every year).
I am happy that Russo got playing experience at the NCAA's because I think she has potential to become a good player with her work ethic. Maybe a few more defenders had more experience than she did, but you also have to sit someone. I think that #5 spot was a puzzle this year and it was hard to find the right fit. Iosia joined the team to see if she could help at the #5 spot and maybe even to shake things up a bit to get players to step up. I am of the mindset that if you want to play, then step-up. I don't know that anyone really did (and I don't include Paige in this).
Julia's injury was untimely and I think had she been 100% Dreeuws would have been in the lineup. At the time the lineups had to be submitted for the NCAA's there was no guarantee Julia would be able to play and I think the thought was that Paige would play at one of the higher flights and the call was made to put Russo in at the lower flights (instead of as an alternate). I can't make judgement on this call, because I think it was a tough call to make. In the end, it may have hurt the team (maybe not). IF it hurt the team in losing transfers, that would be too bad. But, in my mind, that is on the girls as well. If you want to play, step up. Maybe it is the coaches don't think you are a good player, then you either prove that you are undeniably better than any of the alternatives, or I guess you transfer out to a team that you think will believe in you. Personally, I would love to see Forbes and Stevens get playing time at their new schools, and if the situation is right (with the right personnel etc.), they should get it. I wish them all the best.
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Post by noblesol on May 17, 2019 16:19:37 GMT -5
I've wondered for a while now if the beach team would benefit having a strong female with player cred on the coaching staff. On the indoor side, Shoji seemed to have figured that out.
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Post by kaipono on May 17, 2019 18:56:12 GMT -5
I will say that some players have left because they wanted playing time and they weren't getting it. The reality is some of those players were not good enough to crack the starting lineup with the personnel that was there. Just because some of these players were good junior players does not mean they will be good D1 players. We also had a lot of defenders this year and that meant some were going to sit. The players did get opportunity to step up and either they didn't prove themselves and/or have good chemistry with whom they were paired with. The #5 pair was an issue all season long. Banz did have a wrist injury that affected her this past season and she was a little behind where she would have been if not for the injury. I would not think Jenna leaves because she loves Hawaii, but I guess you never know...defections tend to cause a ripple affect. Banz and Dreeuws are good friends, so let's hope Dreeuws doesn't leave either. I can't see why Dreeuws would leave, she also loves Hawaii and would definitely be a starter again next year. I can also see Banz getting starting time. I have commented before about the incoming players I think will get playing time (Maidment, Hellvig etc.), but Huddleston should also be in the mix. IMO. I am happy that Russo got playing experience at the NCAA's because I think she has potential to become a good player with her work ethic. Maybe a few more defenders had more experience than she did, but you also have to sit someone. I think that #5 spot was a puzzle this year and it was hard to find the right fit. Iosia joined the team to see if she could help at the #5 spot and maybe even to shake things up a bit to get players to step up. I am of the mindset that if you want to play, then step-up. I don't know that anyone really did (and I don't include Paige in this). Agreed. Sure there are players that we think should've been given a chance to crack the line-up, but we aren't there at all of their practices to actually see where the team stands. With that said, on the topic of Banz, on her instagram story, she cited that it's her last day in Hawaii, and Stevens did the same as well, and she tagged Banz on her story... Dreeuws also added on her story that it is Jenna's last day, so I think it is a possibility that Banz may leave the team. Still not sure about Dreeuws transferring though. However, even with all of these transferring going on, there is a still a possible line-up of (including Dreeuws transferring, which I hope she doesn't): Martin/Ozee Scoles/Napoleon Hellvig/Maidment Loker/Iosia Russo/Huddleston And in my opinion, this is still a pretty solid line-up, and I feel that we may still be one transfer/player away from being really competitive for a NC (but we should definitely still be in contention). The depth of the team would suffer, but we should still be able to put together a good team. Also, Russo was a surprise for the team this year (as I don't think any of us expected her to come in and start before the Fall), and maybe Hannemann/Hardisty/Sato could come surprise as well. Like newbeach said, I also think Huddleston has a lot of potential to crack the line-up this following season. Especially with a lot of inexperience in defending (although she can also split-block), I think that she could do well to step-in.
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Post by Wolfgang on May 17, 2019 19:45:37 GMT -5
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Post by volleyrate on May 17, 2019 20:29:50 GMT -5
Regan Hurkett won’t make the line up next year. She’s just not a natural athlete. I watched her warm up & play a few times in line 6. She can’t pull, run in the sand and has a hard time setting. Just don’t see her panning out. Such a shame with her height. Never seen or heard of her playing in any adult tournaments so how could she return to school after summer and be ready all of a sudden. Don’t see Hurkett in next years line up.
It’s been interesting to see everyone’s views & in-site. I am checking into see if anyone interested in gathering the girls of 2019 that transferred & quit to find out why. There is more than we know behind six girls leaving this program. What went wrong?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 21:59:21 GMT -5
Regan Hurkett won’t make the line up next year. She’s just not a natural athlete. I watched her warm up & play a few times in line 6. She can’t pull, run in the sand and has a hard time setting. Just don’t see her panning out. Such a shame with her height. Never seen or heard of her playing in any adult tournaments so how could she return to school after summer and be ready all of a sudden. Don’t see Hurkett in next years line up. It’s been interesting to see everyone’s views & in-site. I am checking into see if anyone interested in gathering the girls of 2019 that transferred & quit to find out why. There is more than we know behind six girls leaving this program. What went wrong? Does it bother you that much that they're leaving or are you just trying to get a story out of this? It sounds a bit dubious to round up a bunch of college girls just to ask them why they left lol... unless you plan to make a story/report about it. You could do some social engineering to get your answers if you were really that interested on why they left.
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Post by Diggin' Water on May 17, 2019 23:56:08 GMT -5
2019 HAWAII has 5 Transfers Presley Forbes-Going to FIU. Look back at news articles Forbes went into the program as the “GEM” quoted by head coach Hall. Big loss for Hawaii. Forbes & Stevens player at East Meets West & took LSU to 3 games lost by 2 points. They played #30 of LSU who finished the season in line 3. The game they won was by a land slide. They lost both games by 2. Forbes is a stud! Big loss for HAWAII Paige Dreeuws-STUD will get picked up! She should had never been out of the line up to begin with. Dreeuws a beach only player had been a blocker & defender is 100 times better than putting an indoor player in that has not played beach in year. What the heck are these coaches doing? Biggest mistake on a national level that these coaches made by pulling Dreeuws out for Gulf Shores. Big loss for HAWAII Ashley Stevens-LMU another all beach player with great ball control. She could had been a steady player for them next year. Watched her at East Meets West with Forbes and she balled out with another defender against two bigs. Big loss for HAWAII. Jenna Banz-Some program wold love to have a girl with her potential. She has potential with her long reach. She could had been a solid 5-6 next year. She played with Loker at East Meets West looked solid to me. Big loss for HAWAII Arden Misraje-Came from indoor. Never saw her play so can’t comment. Kristen-Transfer from Utah good height what happened to her? The question is why did they loose so many in one season and why are they still coaching? They had several All beach players who proved they can ball out Stevens/Dreeuws/Forbes leave the program. Evan wrote an article about pairing partners and chemistry. If you watched pair 5 at Gulf Shores who never played together drop balls between them & get aced, would be safe to say Even knows nothing about chemistry. And why do you put two girls who have never played together with a national title on the line when you had several other all beach players to choose from? You could hear Evan telling the girls I need two things from pair 5 in Gulf Shores, I need better focus & more intensity. They could not pass a ball so that’s what he tells them. How about focus on the first pass or chance topic. Sophia was nervous she needed something other than I need better focus and more intensity. That’s the time as a coach you have 3 seconds to snap your players out of a funk not put them under more pressure. HAWAII lost a lot of talent this year & prior years. They lost Leah to UCLA #1 school, Luyties to Cal Berkelery #10,Smith to Cal Berkelery #10, Forbes to FIU #9. My bet is Dreeuws ends up at a top 10 school. Two questions, why did they loose so many this year & why have they lost so many in the past few years to top 10 schools? Are we gonna start capitalizing Hawaii, like how jake does with Cal Poly?
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