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Post by guest2 on May 8, 2019 16:43:43 GMT -5
And you all thought Kerri rules the universe. Once again me may own the AVP, but he’s still as AHole!! Kerri doesn't rule the universe but she was certainly influential enough to wreck young aspiring potential volleyball careers, she thought she was bigger than the AVP and couldn't have been more wrong. The grass is not always greener and the allure of the great Kerri Walsh will soon dissipate, Billy has no one to blame except himself and the Walsh Jennings clan (who are far more financially set than he is) for what will most likely soon be the downward trajectory of his professional volleyball career with the new up and coming guys starting to make it on the AVP tour. Billy was 30 when this happened. His career was not trending up, that happened after the AVP boycott and that boycott actually helped him because he got a good partner that may have moved on if they were both playing AVP. Young, aspiring, and potential are not words anyone thought of in connection with Kolinske then. His career was always likely to go downhill once he and Miles re-entered the AVP pool, particularly given their recent results Also as mentioned by others there was widespread opposition to the contract, thats why Donald had to threaten to shutter the AVP to force people to sign (which was a smart move by him). Billy wasnt tricked into opposing the contract by KWJ
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Post by hustleslowly on May 8, 2019 16:46:03 GMT -5
What is the point of trying to ban Travis from covering the AVP? Isn’t media coverage a good thing? And let’s face it, for all the things the AVP is doing well, getting lots of media coverage is not one of them. Was there a single story about Huntington by a non-vb-specific media entity? No point at all just Donald flexing his EGO and letting everyone know he's the big man on campus. Standard bully stuff. As far as Travis not getting a media credential, do you really want to drive traffic to your competitor? I don't know the Kolinske situation, but I'd be more inclined to let him play.
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 8, 2019 17:43:35 GMT -5
Kerri doesn't rule the universe but she was certainly influential enough to wreck young aspiring potential volleyball careers, she thought she was bigger than the AVP and couldn't have been more wrong. The grass is not always greener and the allure of the great Kerri Walsh will soon dissipate, Billy has no one to blame except himself and the Walsh Jennings clan (who are far more financially set than he is) for what will most likely soon be the downward trajectory of his professional volleyball career with the new up and coming guys starting to make it on the AVP tour. Billy was 30 when this happened. His career was not trending up, that happened after the AVP boycott and that boycott actually helped him because he got a good partner that may have moved on if they were both playing AVP. Young, aspiring, and potential are not words anyone thought of in connection with Kolinske then. His career was always likely to go downhill once he and Miles re-entered the AVP pool, particularly given their recent results Also as mentioned by others there was widespread opposition to the contract, thats why Donald had to threaten to shutter the AVP to force people to sign (which was a smart move by him). Billy wasnt tricked into opposing the contract by KWJ To play devil's advocate here I am curious how many of our top USA athletes trended downward after 30, and what their highest 5 finishes were before 30.
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Post by haze on May 8, 2019 18:55:44 GMT -5
Billy was 30 when this happened. His career was not trending up, that happened after the AVP boycott and that boycott actually helped him because he got a good partner that may have moved on if they were both playing AVP. Young, aspiring, and potential are not words anyone thought of in connection with Kolinske then. His career was always likely to go downhill once he and Miles re-entered the AVP pool, particularly given their recent results Also as mentioned by others there was widespread opposition to the contract, thats why Donald had to threaten to shutter the AVP to force people to sign (which was a smart move by him). Billy wasnt tricked into opposing the contract by KWJ To play devil's advocate here I am curious how many of our top USA athletes trended downward after 30, and what their highest 5 finishes were before 30. Not many trend downward. IMO a beach volleyball player should be improving and maintaining till he's 35, generally speaking. There are exceptions to old er and younger. The problem with this conversation on an International level is the world is significantly younger than 30, and alot of these teams in the more prominent countries aren't even 25 years old. That's a big issue in the direction of Beach Volleyball that the world is trending and that USA is trending.
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Post by guest2 on May 8, 2019 22:52:13 GMT -5
Billy was 30 when this happened. His career was not trending up, that happened after the AVP boycott and that boycott actually helped him because he got a good partner that may have moved on if they were both playing AVP. Young, aspiring, and potential are not words anyone thought of in connection with Kolinske then. His career was always likely to go downhill once he and Miles re-entered the AVP pool, particularly given their recent results Also as mentioned by others there was widespread opposition to the contract, thats why Donald had to threaten to shutter the AVP to force people to sign (which was a smart move by him). Billy wasnt tricked into opposing the contract by KWJ To play devil's advocate here I am curious how many of our top USA athletes trended downward after 30, and what their highest 5 finishes were before 30. In general our men are peaking later, mostly because they started later but historically and internationally the 22 to 24-32 or 33 year old years are the peak years. Billy however was thought of as somewhat of an up an comer, not a great prospect but a prospect, in his early years on tour. Then he was picked up by Casey J. That was his first partner of note, but they didn't last long and I believe Casey moved on - playing with Robbie and Billy played with Avery. At the time it felt like that was sort of the tour's judgment on Billy. Mid-level Drost partner type
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Post by hustleslowly on May 8, 2019 23:01:01 GMT -5
My dream is to have Billy play with Adam Roberts and they beat Field so I can watch 405s head explode 😁
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Post by 405LAX on May 8, 2019 23:45:21 GMT -5
My dream is to have Billy play with Adam Roberts and they beat Field so I can watch 405s head explode 😁 This is science fiction of the highest order.
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 9, 2019 7:06:31 GMT -5
Travis wrote/covered the HB tournament despite Donald threatening to ban him if he wrote about it. That is a FACT!!! Leave it to a guy from Baltimore to stand up to a bully. You have to differentiate between Bully and Business. I work for Marriott, I attend another brand's golf tournament with passes, but I still can't attend some things because they have proprietary items. Donald SHOULD absolutely protect his brand. and lets not act like the P1440 is some established news outlet. I'd say pretty much to the person on here, we all like or at least respect Travis. But he chose his side, and there are sides.
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Post by beachking on May 9, 2019 9:41:55 GMT -5
I think he chose P40 because he is getting compensated for his writing, I'm assuming, similarly to what he was for volleyball mag in addition to access to all their coaching, clinics, developmental tournaments etc. Plus he is doing broadcasting for them. Obviously it was substantial enough for him to jump on board. Hopefully the AVP let him know the ramifications of it prior to him jumping, but Travis seemed surprised last week.
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 9, 2019 9:55:05 GMT -5
Travis posted he would go into this more, did he address it on Sandcast yet or will he put out an article explaining his decision?
It's not like he owes us anything, but for a guy who has been pretty transparent and built a following I would like to understand why I can't look forward to his articles this season and/or how unreasonable Sun is possibly being.
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Post by Semp12 on May 9, 2019 10:15:31 GMT -5
It is easy to have these feelings now that is seems the AVP has won the battle and P1440 is struggling, but what if it went the other way. If P1440 did gain traction and the AVP was now struggling- then we would be having discussions that if Donald was smart he would made the players sign contracts, he would have not let P1440 steal his viewers. P1440 is still around (with the daily email spam) so Donald has to protect his business and his interests.
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 9, 2019 10:20:00 GMT -5
It is easy to have these feelings now that is seems the AVP has won the battle and P1440 is struggling, but what if it went the other way. If P1440 did gain traction and the AVP was now struggling- then we would be having discussions that if Donald was smart he would made the players sign contracts, he would have not let P1440 steal his viewers. P1440 is still around (with the daily email spam) so Donald has to protect his business and his interests. Totally hear you, and hindsight is always 20-20, but just like my comparison to the revolutionary war we can only assume what 1440 would have done to those that backed the AVP through and through. Unfortunately Travis made a decision and we are now seeing the outcome, hopefully having a popular podcast within the volleyball community with a potential Olympian as the co host could keep him in good graces and maybe have some people help get his credentials back. Sun is totally within his right to protect his interests, as he should be, until 1440 is dead and buried like the NVL.
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Post by 405LAX on May 9, 2019 10:39:00 GMT -5
I think he chose P40 because he is getting compensated for his writing, I'm assuming, similarly to what he was for volleyball mag in addition to access to all their coaching, clinics, developmental tournaments etc. Plus he is doing broadcasting for them. Obviously it was substantial enough for him to jump on board. Hopefully the AVP let him know the ramifications of it prior to him jumping, but Travis seemed surprised last week. This is definitely what happened, he wanted to get paid, which we all know BVB doesn't, certainly for players who struggle to qualify consistently. I don't blame Travis for taking the job but he's oblivious if he thought Sun would treat him the same way he had in the past after taking this gig. Does Travis wear a P1440 patch on his shorts for God's sake? It's obvious why he hasn't said anything, he doesn't want to further fracture an already messed up relationship.
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Post by 405LAX on May 9, 2019 10:51:35 GMT -5
Buttery is saying Sun could be changing his stance, if so it's because he was inundated with players telling him to reconsider. I could see Sun change his stance but maybe not immediately with Austin.
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Post by keeweekid on May 9, 2019 10:52:50 GMT -5
I understand the argument of protecting your interests but this is a niche niche sport. Outside of a handful, most of the players will not make $10-$15K per year playing the sport. There playing a sport they love, looking to play at high levels and are getting caught in some tug-of-war from people (sun and KW) that are looking to control the sport. Why punish the athletes?
If this was a sport where the athletes made a living wage, then I totally understand the argument, but this is far from it. A kid working at McDonalds making minimum wage will make more in a year than the majority of players that play in the MD this year.
From what I understand, Sun's contract was not received well by the majority in the first place, but what power did they have. They just want to play ball but again, are caught up in some ridiculous power struggle over a niche sport. I can totally see it from a player's perspective. 1) There are all of ~7 tournaments for the year. WOW! 2) Unless you are consistently placing in the Top 3-4, you are not making $$. Even if you are finishing in the Top 3, you are not making much $$ either to be honest. Guessing a manager at most mid-size businesses make more than most VB players 3) They, like most of us, just like playing VB. To be told you have to get permission to go play VB when the person telling you this is only offering 7 tournaments and is not offering life changing $$, I would be PO'd also. 4) If I was a mid/lower MD team, I would really be upset. To be told you cannot play tournaments without permission but the top teams have the double standard of being released for all FIVB tournaments is crappy for lower MD teams just looking to play and making pick-up some travel $$. 5) Sun is not protecting any interest by banning someone like Billy K. from playing....it is just petty and being a bully. No disrespect to Bill K., but he is not moving the needle on the AVP or any other tour nor are 75%+ of the MD players. AVP/P1440/NVL world was not changing if they had exclusive rights to Slick or Allen, Rafu.... 6) If Sun is protecting his interests, then he would not let his top names go play FIVB either...but he won't cause he doesn't have the power to do that as he would lose the PR battle over not allowing players to follow their Olympic dream. So, it is enforced against lower tier people...nice!! Interest protected???
Personally, VB is such a niche sport, having multiple brands might actually grow the sport better. How are VB fans in places like Florida benefiting from seeing higher level VB?? Right. Since VB is such a niche sport, if AVP runs their tournaments and P1440 or whoever runs their tournaments, I think both would be smart enough to not place them against each other or at least have them far apart (Cally/Florida). More tournaments, more fams/kids/young players get to get out and hopefully catch the VB bug and the more groundswell grows for VB.
If Sun really wants to protect his interests and wants to enforce a "no compete" clause (again ridiculous for such a niche sport that virtually no one makes money off of), then he should sign contracts with the few players that actually draw people (Phil, Taylor, Jake, April, Casey...there will not be many). Pay them to be exclusive...you know like a contract which I am guessing a few might have anyhow. Then let all the others do what they love to do for little to no money to begin with. Let Billy/Miles go play whatever, if Satterfield wants to play some P1440 event in the fall, great, let him go as a Satterfield/Honer/Paulis...is not going to impact either brand one way or another.
Again, this is really odd power struggle for....what again?? The ability to run 7ish tournaments a year where most players make little to no money, then pulling some ego/power trip and telling players they have to be loyal to only the AVP or else you will take your ball and go home. Come on. This really shouldn't be an AVP vs P1440 things for fans/players where we hope the AVP wins. This should about the players and now writers like Travis that are put in positions of choosing sides when all they want to do is play VB, be around VB. Again, IF you are given a contract and paid living wages that is one thing, VB is far far from that.
The argument that Billy made his choice and now has to live with it blows my mind all because he wanted to play VB and didn't want to be limited by an organization that I guarantee you is not giving him any sponsor/contract $. Yet top players can skip AVP as they please in order to play FIVB. As someone that likes VB, I would prefer to support players, not organizations that are battling to control the sport. Don't want players playing in other organized tournaments, fine 1) pay the ones you do not want playing elsewhere and let everyone else go out and play the sport they love.
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