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Post by XAsstCoach on May 20, 2019 14:03:14 GMT -5
Just finished watching the last episode. I was scrolling through Yahoo news articles while I waited for the streaming to begin and sure enough a website called “Fatherly” posted a picture of Daeni slumped backwards in Jon’s arms and a knife sticking out of her guts. Have to leave a scathing comment for the article.
While I was anticipating the kill moment during Daeni and Jon’s scene in the throne room, all I could think of was how tragic her life was as she tried to convince Jon what she did was for the good of the people.
The rest of the episode was just garbage. Hope Martin comes up with something better.
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Post by vup on May 20, 2019 14:22:57 GMT -5
Would it have been better if Dani didn't destroy King's Landing, Arya kills Cersei, and Dani takes the iron throne as the heroine?
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Post by mikegarrison on May 20, 2019 15:31:46 GMT -5
For hundreds of years, the Iron Islands and Dorne were kind of semi-independent from the Targaryen "seven kingdoms". Now we are supposed to believe that they agree to be vassals to Bran Stark? And that when Sansa says, "nope, we're independent" everybody else just nods their head and says, "that's fine"?
Much more realistic would be that without the threat of dragons, most of the six kingdoms would say: "we're independent now". After all, is Bran going to lead any armies to stop that? Especially if the North gets to be independent, why would the others agree to "bend the knee" to Bran?
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Post by jayj79 on May 20, 2019 16:52:31 GMT -5
For hundreds of years, the Iron Islands and Dorne were kind of semi-independent from the Targaryen "seven kingdoms". Now we are supposed to believe that they agree to be vassals to Bran Stark? And that when Sansa says, "nope, we're independent" everybody else just nods their head and says, "that's fine"? Much more realistic would be that without the threat of dragons, most of the six kingdoms would say: "we're independent now". After all, is Bran going to lead any armies to stop that? Especially if the North gets to be independent, why would the others agree to "bend the knee" to Bran? didn't Sansa say something about having an army of northmen with her? That probably bolstered her claim for independence. Neither Yara nor the new prince of Dorne were all that established in their positions yet, and probably didn't have military forces with them to press claims at that time. But I wouldn't be surprised if they made secession efforts sometime in the future.
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Post by volleyguy on May 20, 2019 17:02:34 GMT -5
For hundreds of years, the Iron Islands and Dorne were kind of semi-independent from the Targaryen "seven kingdoms". Now we are supposed to believe that they agree to be vassals to Bran Stark? And that when Sansa says, "nope, we're independent" everybody else just nods their head and says, "that's fine"? Much more realistic would be that without the threat of dragons, most of the six kingdoms would say: "we're independent now". After all, is Bran going to lead any armies to stop that? Especially if the North gets to be independent, why would the others agree to "bend the knee" to Bran? didn't Sansa say something about having an army of northmen with her? That probably bolstered her claim for independence. Neither Yara nor the new prince of Dorne were all that established in their positions yet, and probably didn't have military forces with them to press claims at that time. But I wouldn't be surprised if they made secession efforts sometime in the future. The election of Bran the Broken to be King only existed to further a plot line for Tyrion as master deal broker, but none of the arguments for it made any real sense. It made no sense politically to elect Bran, as a member of the Stark family, while allowing the North (and the rest of Bran's family) to become Independent.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 20, 2019 17:04:59 GMT -5
For hundreds of years, the Iron Islands and Dorne were kind of semi-independent from the Targaryen "seven kingdoms". Now we are supposed to believe that they agree to be vassals to Bran Stark? And that when Sansa says, "nope, we're independent" everybody else just nods their head and says, "that's fine"? Much more realistic would be that without the threat of dragons, most of the six kingdoms would say: "we're independent now". After all, is Bran going to lead any armies to stop that? Especially if the North gets to be independent, why would the others agree to "bend the knee" to Bran? didn't Sansa say something about having an army of northmen with her? That probably bolstered her claim for independence. Neither Yara nor the new prince of Dorne were all that established in their positions yet, and probably didn't have military forces with them to press claims at that time. But I wouldn't be surprised if they made secession efforts sometime in the future. It's not like BRAN has an army. He's got Brienne and Podrick. I suppose he's got Bronn too, since Bronn's claim to Highgarden comes via Tyrion's promise, although once Bronn got established I doubt he would have any hesitation to break away and be king. Sansa has a huge aversion to sending Northmen down south to die in southern wars. I expect that even for Bran she would shrug and say, "good luck, brother". Basically, what happened was that Tyrion gave a speech about the importance of stories (written by people who tell stories for a living...), and everybody else said, "OK, Bran can be king". Sansa was the last to speak, and she said, "Nope, we're independent." I would have thought the next words from everybody else would be, "Hey, can she do that? We want to be independent too!" But it would have left Bran and Tyrion looking like fools. (And of course, cue all the jokes about Bran: "I don't want anything anymore" suddenly saying "Hell yeah I want to be King; why do you think I wheeled myself down here from Winterfell?")
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Post by jayj79 on May 20, 2019 20:54:41 GMT -5
Arya is going to become the new Dread Pirate Roberts.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 21:23:29 GMT -5
Just a reminder about how badly the f***ed up Dany's story.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 21:25:26 GMT -5
That's the other thing. Where did all the magic go? Lord of Light. Resurrections. Fireproof heroes. Seems like it all stopped this season.
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Post by XAsstCoach on May 20, 2019 21:41:18 GMT -5
Would it have been better if Dani didn't destroy King's Landing, Arya kills Cersei, and Dani takes the iron throne as the heroine? The ending was just too...cliche? Everyone sitting together, vote for a king, lets try to make this a better place. Only thing they left out was singing kumbaya together. Same thing with Jon saying goodbye to the Starks, its like they took the idea from a TV show. I dunno, just a bad ending. They could have made ep 5 30 minutes longer and ended the series with Jon stabbing Daeni, and Drogon melting the chair.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 20, 2019 21:56:31 GMT -5
That's the other thing. Where did all the magic go? Lord of Light. Resurrections. Fireproof heroes. Seems like it all stopped this season. Giant army of resurrected ice zombies?
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Post by mikegarrison on May 20, 2019 22:03:17 GMT -5
Also, as soon as Grey Worm sailed out of the harbor, what was stopping the rest of them from running up to Jon Snow and saying, "take that silly black outfit off and come back to the party!"?
I know, I know, Jon Snow. He swore an oath. But the thing is, he swore that same oath earlier and ended up going back on it....
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Post by Millennium on May 20, 2019 22:20:18 GMT -5
Also, as soon as Grey Worm sailed out of the harbor, what was stopping the rest of them from running up to Jon Snow and saying, "take that silly black outfit off and come back to the party!"? I know, I know, Jon Snow. He swore an oath. But the thing is, he swore that same oath earlier and ended up going back on it.... After watching the episode again, I wondered why they even let Jon out of jail early to cross paths with Grey Worm at the harbor? Wasn't that in poor taste and, frankly, quite dangerous for Jon? Why not wait till the Unsullied leave and then tell Jon he's been pardoned, LOL. This way he won't have to promise to take the black. What's Grey Worm going to do? Come back and go to war over Jon? Of course, Jon may have to look over his back the rest of his life. Anyway, too many missing pieces to this puzzle. Disappointing, to say the least.
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Post by ironhammer on May 20, 2019 22:22:15 GMT -5
Would it have been better if Dani didn't destroy King's Landing, Arya kills Cersei, and Dani takes the iron throne as the heroine? The ending was just too...cliche? Everyone sitting together, vote for a king, lets try to make this a better place. Only thing they left out was singing kumbaya together. Same thing with Jon saying goodbye to the Starks, its like they took the idea from a TV show. I dunno, just a bad ending. They could have made ep 5 30 minutes longer and ended the series with Jon stabbing Daeni, and Drogon melting the chair. It would have been more interesting to have Dany remain alive but willing to accept her mistakes and at least tried to change for the better. But maybe that's too cliche too.
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Post by XAsstCoach on May 20, 2019 22:37:46 GMT -5
It would have been more interesting to have Dany remain alive but willing to accept her mistakes and at least tried to change for the better. But maybe that's too cliche too. Thought ending at the point where Daeni was killed would have been perfect. I mean she was so delusional about doing what's right for the people where she went to justified torching King's Landing, and then killed by the one last person who she wanted to count on. And the irony is that her father was killed by someone he trusted, the King's Hand Jamie Lannister. Oh, I see its available on iTunes now. Time to buy it so I can watch it without the pausing associated with streaming.
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