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Post by VolleyChick on May 22, 2019 14:44:24 GMT -5
PS - Volleychick is clearly not a senior (before she kills me) - I am old enough for the both of us! I'm AARPY...
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Post by volleyballjim on May 22, 2019 16:41:23 GMT -5
Not really a fan at all of the way the AVP is utilizing these wildcards. If they arent going to use them for legitimate qualifiers who are investing their time and money into the AVP, at least leave the spots open for 2 more pods of teams to fight through. I understand growing the sport and using a tournament like Manhattan beach to give AVPNext tournament winners too but doing this every tournament, and using 2 spots in a Gold Series Event like NYC which already has a small 16 team draw is getting ridiculous. I guess well see but if the 2 WC spots for NYC are given to 2 teams that rarely play AVP and won some small time regional AVPNext tournament, that's a very poor choice. Women's finalists and Brooke/Brandie are both in the Q by the numbers, lets see if Donald gives them WCs as opposed to using them on some kids who won a Wisconsin 16 and under double b event THAT is funny!
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Post by goldengirlsx3 on May 22, 2019 16:45:00 GMT -5
Women's finalists and Brooke/Brandie are both in the Q by the numbers, lets see if Donald gives them WCs as opposed to using them on some kids who won a Wisconsin 16 and under double b event THAT is funny! Can we all agree that if Brooke & Brandie don’t get a wildcard that Donald has officially lost his mind?
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Post by haze on May 22, 2019 17:26:20 GMT -5
Can we all agree that if Brooke & Brandie don’t get a wildcard that Donald has officially lost his mind? Not if the wildcards are predetermined, which is usually the case, and also incredibly stupid.
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Post by donnyb on May 22, 2019 18:21:25 GMT -5
Can we all agree that if Brooke & Brandie don’t get a wildcard that Donald has officially lost his mind? Agree. If they play in the qualifier they are most likely knocking out a few teams that might have a chance of making it in. Where as if they get wc they only affect one team who probably wouldn’t made it in anyways.
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Post by rainmaker on May 23, 2019 6:41:43 GMT -5
Mark and Ian at 1762 points, and bumped into the Q. That's a lot of points and still having to go thru a Q? Damn..
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Post by bombsaway on May 23, 2019 10:34:59 GMT -5
at what point can we expand the draw? Younger guys looking upward must be thinking damn I might need to go through multiple teams who I watch on YouTube for their "pro tips" (McKibbins and Burik).... and forget about it if you aren't in SoCal training
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Post by acemand23 on May 23, 2019 11:12:12 GMT -5
based on the point results, as a main draw player, as long as you can place 13th in all the events, as a team, you will have ~2000 points, keeping you in the main draw. that means you have to have a couple wins a year in the 24 team main draws, but it makes it almost impossible for a Q team to get in the main until a main draw team decides to retire.... If Austin AVP shows us anything, its that you get the top 4 teams out of the way, its a free for all...
also, the double point NY is why the main draw teams get to stay at the top with an 0-2 finish, 13th in NY equals a 7th (2-2 finish) in Seattle or Austin.....
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 23, 2019 11:12:34 GMT -5
at what point can we expand the draw? Younger guys looking upward must be thinking damn I might need to go through multiple teams who I watch on YouTube for their "pro tips" (McKibbins and Burik).... and forget about it if you aren't in SoCal training We don't, those younger guys looking upward can go through AVP Academy or whatever it is called where they are within their means regarding expenses of traveling and level of competition. Unless you are someone like the Partains you should be grinding it out and earning points through the grassroots program until you are ready to see the likes of the McKibbinns, Mark, Raffe, Ian, Skyler, etc. instead of getting molly whopped by them first match of the morning for a point total of -20. Considering the guys they are looking at, on the Men's side at least, keep going 2 and out or possibly winning one MD match says a lot when they beat these young teams by an absolute blowout in the Q.
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Post by bombsaway on May 23, 2019 11:41:20 GMT -5
I was talking about the 22, 23, 24 year old guys just done with indoor and transitioning to beach that are looking to take it seriously. Have there always been main draw level teams in the first 10 slots of the qualifiers... i doubt it. Like aceman said we saw if you let some of the top qualifiers automatically in, they can wreak havoc even at the main draw level but we are excluding them why?
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 23, 2019 13:11:44 GMT -5
I was talking about the 22, 23, 24 year old guys just done with indoor and transitioning to beach that are looking to take it seriously. Have there always been main draw level teams in the first 10 slots of the qualifiers... i doubt it. Like aceman said we saw if you let some of the top qualifiers automatically in, they can wreak havoc even at the main draw level but we are excluding them why? This season is starting to remind me of the better days, when taking a ninth was a big deal, of course that was when we had 32 team draws.
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Post by Semp12 on May 23, 2019 13:25:57 GMT -5
I was talking about the 22, 23, 24 year old guys just done with indoor and transitioning to beach that are looking to take it seriously. Have there always been main draw level teams in the first 10 slots of the qualifiers... i doubt it. Like aceman said we saw if you let some of the top qualifiers automatically in, they can wreak havoc even at the main draw level but we are excluding them why? This season is starting to remind me of the better days, when taking a ninth was a big deal, of course that was when we had 32 team draws. I'd agree with that. 9th's were still the real deal. We don't give it the same respect now. Have we finally gotten over the hump with competition/parity that we lost when the tour went under?
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Post by guest2 on May 23, 2019 13:46:07 GMT -5
I was talking about the 22, 23, 24 year old guys just done with indoor and transitioning to beach that are looking to take it seriously. Have there always been main draw level teams in the first 10 slots of the qualifiers... i doubt it. Like aceman said we saw if you let some of the top qualifiers automatically in, they can wreak havoc even at the main draw level but we are excluding them why? Who are these main draw level teams that are in the qualifiers now? Top 10 spots? I would guess that the median finish for a qualifier team is 0-2 and losing by at least 10 total points to any Main Draw team they face. Only the McKs would really meet that description (other than small draws like this one where I Mark does too) but even Riley and Madison are a gimme for all but a few MD teams.
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Post by 405LAX on May 23, 2019 14:41:52 GMT -5
Low-mid MD teams include Zaun/Avery and Burik/Ian, slight edge to Zaun but neither of those two teams poses major threats for any established team.
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 23, 2019 15:27:21 GMT -5
I was talking about the 22, 23, 24 year old guys just done with indoor and transitioning to beach that are looking to take it seriously. Have there always been main draw level teams in the first 10 slots of the qualifiers... i doubt it. Like aceman said we saw if you let some of the top qualifiers automatically in, they can wreak havoc even at the main draw level but we are excluding them why? And those guys are still going to get absolute stomped by the top MD guys by at least 10-20 total points in a match like I said in my previous post. All of those players I listed before have been grinding it for years to either be top Q seeded guys or bottom feeders in the MD, and still they are losing their first or second matches of the MD and subsequently getting bounced in the first couple rounds of the losers bracket. There is not enough money, time, or interest to watch teams that can't even qualify get hammered by regular MD guys with the occasional exception.
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