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Post by 310vball on Jun 1, 2019 7:30:30 GMT -5
A couple notes on HP
- I have heard two separate parents almost brag, not exact words but you get the idea: "My son did not have to try out. College Coach X told him, as long as you visit my campus, I will take care of you in HP" - A player who is very talented, has won multiple awards both individual and team in HS. His team is competitive in club. However his bday in the HP 24 month cycle puts him in the 22nd month of the 24 month cycle. Yet the year he is in school puts him with the younger players. Consequently in HP he is going against players who are one, two or three years ahead of him in school. By no fault of his own, well except his birth, he is extremely disadvantaged. - I have seen the tryouts. While they are portrayed as organized, it is mostly a joke. Kids cutting in line. College coaches chit chatting with each other, not paying attention to the tryouts. Players trying to sync themselves in line so that they are teamed with their buddies and/or better players. Some players intimidating others so that they show better. From what I have seen, it is an unadulterated mess. - Some players say, what is the use in trying out? The coaches have already determined who they are picking before the tryouts. - If a player is not in the HP system, good luck getting looks from colleges. It is almost as if a lot of college coaches rule out recruiting anyone who is not in HP. Face it college coaches are lazy. They are not going to tournaments with an open mind to find players. They go and watch so that the players they want, see them watching. - One last note about players. The days of Volleyball being a Southern California sport are over. I have seen a number of very good talented players from outside of the West. I liken volleyball to lacrosse 20-30 years ago. Lax was a regional sport, but is now a national sport. If the growth continues at this pace, ten years from now people will not have the default thinking of only good players come from SoCal.
Before anyone discounts what I am writing by saying I am a parent with sour grapes, I do not have a son who plays volleyball. I am an R1. Yes, go google it.
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Post by coug94 on Jun 1, 2019 14:16:25 GMT -5
coug94 sorry your experience was a negative. From SCVA's HP page: "The approximate cost to participate is $1,850.00 per athlete. The athletes are provided with complete gear from head to toe. The teams travel together and this year the event is in Fort Lauderdale, FL. And, airfare and accommodations are included. Meals while at the tournament are not included." I've seen the $2.5k number before as well, and that total sounds about right - meals, incidentals, and spending money could easily hit $650. A prior version of that page may have had it as the estimated total. SCVA's all A1, with 15 boys max for both Select and Youth (basically, 18u and 16u, but calendar year, not sept. to sept.) So, as above, my kid's doing it for the t-shirt/experience of the tryout, 0 expectation of an offer. The future select (8th graders and under - 05 and 06) looks like a pretty sweet deal: 40 to 50 boys, local (well, Anaheim), with their own tourney. If I had a 13/14u kid, I'd be all over that. I forgot that SCVA included flights and $1850 is more like I remembered from previous years. In the past A1 and SCVA was equivalent in cost but SCVA included flights and A1 you have to get your own flight - but A1 included more days on site so more hotel nights because the training for A1 happened on location and the SCVA training happened before they traveled. When I saw the $2500 number I thought that was a huge jump from past A1 prices. [ It seems like SCVA can hold their tryout on a day where they don’t have playoffs, like tomorrow, that’s a super long day.
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Post by backinthesaddle on Jun 1, 2019 15:56:13 GMT -5
The Youth SCVA Regional Teams will be a little weaker this year. Many of the players they would have drawn from will be competing at the HPC’s with the Boys Youth National Training Teams. Look for a possible USA vs USA in the International Division finals.
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Post by socal3 on Jun 1, 2019 17:09:45 GMT -5
The Youth SCVA Regional Teams will be a little weaker this year. Many of the players they would have drawn from will be competing at the HPC’s with the Boys Youth National Training Teams. Look for a possible USA vs USA in the International Division finals. We’ll see about that. Plenty of good players and IMO USAV doesn’t always have the strongest roster, but rather a strong roster with a developmental aspect. Even without the top 22, SCVA will have a great team!
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Post by bealzabubba on Jun 3, 2019 12:46:11 GMT -5
*Impressions*, with the caveat I was focused on Select:
The HP director for SCVA comes across well - enthusiastic, knowlegeable, and approachable. He did say that the original price was $2500, but that they were able to lower it, so... that was a stealth change to the website. The future select program is $400. A steal, IMHO.
Looked like ~90 boys last night, roughly 50/50 between Select and Youth. Didn't see a lot of obvious MB's, at least for Select (again, my focus), and there were a *lot* of very talented players missing - ones that are not on USAV HP (any level). Joshua Walker (HI) was handling the two select courts, with Sato (but in a green shirt?) observing; Hawks was handling the Youth, but again, I really wasn't watching that. SCVA's HP director was helping out run the courts, as well.
The *parent* consensus reaction was: it was useless. I'm not sure I agree, and my kid had fun, which is all I was really going for (why yes, there is the "lotto-like" feeling of "he'll make it!" on my behalf, but it's just that - a fantasy I know won't happen.)
He got a good work out, got to talk to a bunch of boys he plays against - so, I'm good with the $50 Tee-shirt fee.
I totally see why hitters would be tempted to move around to get with setters they know (setters varied widely, and depended on passes from libs they didn't know either), and ~1/2 the time the hitters were in 6 deep lines. Setters were being rotated more, and liberos (a LOT) were getting more action than hitters.
For all the talk of the boys "misbehaving" to get paired with preferred / better players, I didn't see any of it.
That said, the hitters didn't really stand out (except for an oppo from SAVC, but I'd never seen him before, and he's very long). Several I "know" from competition simply didn't look as good as I know them to be.
Moderately Funny Occurrence: So, the tryout shirts have numbers. Ask yourself: what one number should you really, really NOT put on a teenage boy's shirt? Well, they did. The boys that did get that number were being offered money by the other boys to sell it. (not much, mind you, but ... it happened.)
ETA: Spoke with a couple other parents I know that were more closely watching Youth. Looks like they segregated a presumptive team out last night - working out on a smaller court (by # of players) which was being run by Hawks.
I will also add the coaches were watching Points 4 - I saw Ring, Hawks, Hunt and Hanson watching the "A" courts Saturday, and those same guys were still there last night, so I infer they were watching yesterday, too.
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Post by teamjess on Jun 4, 2019 18:25:01 GMT -5
*Impressions*, with the caveat I was focused on Select: The HP director for SCVA comes across well - enthusiastic, knowlegeable, and approachable. He did say that the original price was $2500, but that they were able to lower it, so... that was a stealth change to the website. The future select program is $400. A steal, IMHO. Looked like ~90 boys last night, roughly 50/50 between Select and Youth. Didn't see a lot of obvious MB's, at least for Select (again, my focus), and there were a *lot* of very talented players missing - ones that are not on USAV HP (any level). Joshua Walker (HI) was handling the two select courts, with Sato (but in a green shirt?) observing; Hawks was handling the Youth, but again, I really wasn't watching that. SCVA's HP director was helping out run the courts, as well. The *parent* consensus reaction was: it was useless. I'm not sure I agree, and my kid had fun, which is all I was really going for (why yes, there is the "lotto-like" feeling of "he'll make it!" on my behalf, but it's just that - a fantasy I know won't happen.) He got a good work out, got to talk to a bunch of boys he plays against - so, I'm good with the $50 Tee-shirt fee. I totally see why hitters would be tempted to move around to get with setters they know (setters varied widely, and depended on passes from libs they didn't know either), and ~1/2 the time the hitters were in 6 deep lines. Setters were being rotated more, and liberos (a LOT) were getting more action than hitters. For all the talk of the boys "misbehaving" to get paired with preferred / better players, I didn't see any of it. That said, the hitters didn't really stand out (except for an oppo from SAVC, but I'd never seen him before, and he's very long). Several I "know" from competition simply didn't look as good as I know them to be. Moderately Funny Occurrence: So, the tryout shirts have numbers. Ask yourself: what one number should you really, really NOT put on a teenage boy's shirt? Well, they did. The boys that did get that number were being offered money by the other boys to sell it. (not much, mind you, but ... it happened.) ETA: Spoke with a couple other parents I know that were more closely watching Youth. Looks like they segregated a presumptive team out last night - working out on a smaller court (by # of players) which was being run by Hawks. I will also add the coaches were watching Points 4 - I saw Ring, Hawks, Hunt and Hanson watching the "A" courts Saturday, and those same guys were still there last night, so I infer they were watching yesterday, too. Did they mention when the teams would be announced?
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Post by bealzabubba on Jun 4, 2019 19:22:25 GMT -5
teamjess Announced? In approximately three weeks the rosters will be posted to the SCVA site. HP director was asked three times, in three different ways, when the boys would be offered. Other than 'quickly,' he deftly avoided any other statement committing to any time frame beyond the above.
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Post by CoastalVB on Jun 8, 2019 0:58:33 GMT -5
imo the HP tryouts are very very biased and skewed. people who've been in the program for a while since future select that have become mediocre make A1, while new talents get shoved into A2/A3 because they aren't well known by the coaches. it almost seems like there's a list that coaches refer to with people who made A1 previously. my tryout experience was very messy, the organizer wasn't too good and everyone was confused. We had a different experience. My son started playing in 9th grade and made an A2 team. He was the new kid. Within a few months after summer HP he was invited to the Holiday Camp. He wasn't shoved down. In fact he very quickly passed a number of kids who had been in the pipeline for several years. He went from newcomer to national team player. He was never told he didn't need to try out. He was never told ahead of time that he made any team. He was only told to work hard and develop his talent. The college coaches were fair to him and professional. The other kids history with the program didn't get in the way of him moving up. The last two Holiday camps and summer HP programs have been intense. There have been no mediocre kids just a lot of studs who can flat out play. The program is designed to identify and move up the most talented kids. I am sure there are other experiences. But for us there was very little nepotism or unprofessionalism and the pipeline worked.
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Post by bealzabubba on Jun 14, 2019 9:48:43 GMT -5
For those interested, SCVA has posted 1 of it's three teams - Boys' Youth International (2k babies eligible for this one):
Nick Slight - Coast 18 Jake TC Cook - Coast 18 Jake Ethan Champlin - Coast 18 Jake
Will Rottman - SB Coast 18 Mattew Suh - SB Coast 18
Bryce Dvorak - Rockstar 18-1 Sean McQuiggan - Rockstar 16-1
Adam Chang - WAVE 18 Darrell Nathan Harlan - 949 18-1 Grant Sloane - OCVC 17-1 Geste Bianchi - Balboa Bay 17-1
Jacob Steele - Pepp Frosh / BB Aiden Wolf-Nielsen - Orange Coast College
Alhasan Houssein
Looks very impressive, though the only one I've personally seen is McQuiggan (6'8"-ish, he's been memorable to me ever since he utterly owned kid my when son was 13, he was playing 14s.)
Team info from AES, except for the two college kids, which is a quick google. Can't find anything on Houssein.
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Post by teamjess on Jun 14, 2019 10:03:09 GMT -5
For those interested, SCVA has posted 1 of it's three teams - Boys' Youth International (2k babies eligible for this one): Nick Slight - Coast 18 Jake TC Cook - Coast 18 Jake Ethan Champlin - Coast 18 Jake Will Rottman - SB Coast 18 Mattew Suh - SB Coast 18 Bryce Dvorak - Rockstar 18-1 Sean McQuiggan - Rockstar 16-1 Adam Chang - WAVE 18 Darrell Nathan Harlan - 949 18-1 Grant Sloane - OCVC 17-1 Geste Bianchi - Balboa Bay 17-1 Jacob Steele - Pepp Frosh / BB Aiden Wolf-Nielsen - Orange Coast College Alhasan Houssein Looks very impressive, though the only one I've personally seen is McQuiggan (6'8"-ish, he's been memorable to me ever since he utterly owned my when son was 13, he was playing 14s.) Team info from AES, except for the two college kids, which is a quick google. Can't find anything on Houssein. Al , Jacob and Aiden all played for Balboa 18s last year. Al redshirted at OCC this year.
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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 12, 2019 13:00:20 GMT -5
For those interested, SCVA posted the balance of it's HP teams:
Boys' Select Owen Birg - SAVC 17-1 Alex Smits van Oyen - Vegas United 16 Navy Andrew Rowan - OCVC 16 Red Dillon Klein – MB Surf 16s Mack Pardun – Balboa Bay 15 Blue Dane Hillis - Balboa Bay 16 Blue Noah Keelin - 949 17 Black Jacob Ceci - Vegas United 16 Navy Ethan Gordon – Rockstar 16-1 Maxwell McCullough - Wave 16 Jed Brennan Morgan - Rockstar 16-1 Max Gordon - MB Surf 16s Austin Stuard – Rockstar 16-1
Boys' Youth National Jackson Reed - 949 17 Black Nicholas Conte - Pac6 18 August Acord - Rockstar 18-1 Nate Tennat - SAVC 17-1 Riley Oh - Balboa Bay 16 Blue Grant Oh - Balboa Bay 16 Blue Reece Francke - Coast 17-Brett Brendan Harvey - SAVC 17-1 Gage Doble - 949 17 Black Anthony Cherfan - SAVC 17-1 Zachary Wesston - Pulse 17 Hart
Note that has zero to do with whether or not these boys are great choices - they are - or that SCVA doesn't have the right to pick its team however it wants - it does: aside from the Vegas players, I don't recall seeing the rest of the boys on Select at tryouts (or the twins from BB 16s selected for Youth - those two stand out to me for a number or reasons). As I noted in my initial recap, I noticed then that there were "a *lot* of very talented players missing."
c'est la vie.
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Post by VBSH 2 on Jul 12, 2019 15:51:11 GMT -5
For those interested, SCVA posted the balance of it's HP teams: Boys' SelectOwen Birg - SAVC 17-1 Alex Smits van Oyen - Vegas United 16 Navy Andrew Rowan - OCVC 16 Red Dillon Klein – MB Surf 16s Mack Pardun – Balboa Bay 15 Blue Dane Hillis - Balboa Bay 16 Blue Noah Keelin - 949 17 Black Jacob Ceci - Vegas United 16 Navy Ethan Gordon – Rockstar 16-1 Maxwell McCullough - Wave 16 Jed Brennan Morgan - Rockstar 16-1 Max Gordon - MB Surf 16s Austin Stuard – Rockstar 16-1 Boys' Youth NationalJackson Reed - 949 17 Black Nicholas Conte - Pac6 18 August Acord - Rockstar 18-1 Nate Tennat - SAVC 17-1 Riley Oh - Balboa Bay 16 Blue Grant Oh - Balboa Bay 16 Blue Reece Francke - Coast 17-Brett Brendan Harvey - SAVC 17-1 Gage Doble - 949 17 Black Anthony Cherfan - SAVC 17-1 Zachary Wesston - Pulse 17 Hart Note that has zero to do with whether or not these boys are great choices - they are - or that SCVA doesn't have the right to pick its team however it wants - it does: aside from the Vegas players, I don't recall seeing the rest of the boys on Select at tryouts (or the twins from BB 16s selected for Youth - those two stand out to me for a number or reasons). As I noted in my initial recap, I noticed then that there were "a *lot* of very talented players missing." c'est la vie. I do not know of all the situations, but 2 years ago my son could not participate at tryouts because his coach told he cannot do it. The people who ran tryouts knew of the situation and were ok with it.
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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 12, 2019 17:56:09 GMT -5
Note that has zero to do with whether or not these boys are great choices - they are - or that SCVA doesn't have the right to pick its team however it wants - it does: aside from the Vegas players, I don't recall seeing the rest of the boys on Select at tryouts (or the twins from BB 16s selected for Youth - those two stand out to me for a number or reasons). As I noted in my initial recap, I noticed then that there were "a *lot* of very talented players missing." c'est la vie. I do not know of all the situations, but 2 years ago my son could not participate at tryouts because his coach told he cannot do it. The people who ran tryouts knew of the situation and were ok with it. I've seen all of the boys who play 16s and the one 15's, and there's simply no argument from me they they are not all elite, deserving players, and my comment is not about them, at all. One or two can't make it? Totally understandable. 9? It's a bad look, no matter what the reason - that's my only point, here.
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Post by teamjess on Jul 12, 2019 18:45:53 GMT -5
I do not know of all the situations, but 2 years ago my son could not participate at tryouts because his coach told he cannot do it. The people who ran tryouts knew of the situation and were ok with it. I've seen all of the boys who play 16s and the one 15's, and there's simply no argument from me they they are not all elite, deserving players, and my comment is not about them, at all. One or two can't make it? Totally understandable. 9? It's a bad look, no matter what the reason - that's my only point, here. Especially when they collect money for tryouts! I totally agree with you. It is a bad look.
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Post by CoastalVB on Jul 12, 2019 22:43:02 GMT -5
Boys' Youth International Bryce Dvorak Grant Sloane Ethan Champlin Nathan Harlan Nick Slight Jacob Steele Geste Bianchi Aiden Wolf-Nielsen Adam Chang Alhasan Hussein Sean McQuiggan TC Cook Mattew Suh
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