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Post by Phaedrus on Jun 10, 2019 9:04:40 GMT -5
The back and forth between ironhammer and mikegarrison and I regarding Descarte in the Keanu Reeves thread got the juices flowing, so a la Wolfgang I am adding the exoteric discussions thread for those discussions. I could have just used the thred about Anything thread for this purpose but whatever. First one is from Edge.org. In case you have never heard of this, it wa sstarted by John Brockman, a marketing executive. Here is their About Link. www.edge.org/about-edgeorgThey have published off and on a book of the essays written by luminaries focused on a specific question since the late 1990's. The Edge annual question series posits a topic and let people discuss it or try to answer the question from their own narrow viewpoint. Very interesting reads. The essays are short and to the point and very focused. www.edge.org/conversation/john_brockman-edge-booksSo this is what is on top of the conversations on Edge.org Perception As Controlled Hallucination Predictive Processing and the Nature of Conscious Experience A Conversation with Andy Clark Perception itself is a kind of controlled hallucination. . . . [T]he sensory information here acts as feedback on your expectations. It allows you to often correct them and to refine them. But the heavy lifting seems to be being done by the expectations. Does that mean that perception is a controlled hallucination? I sometimes think it would be good to flip that and just think that hallucination is a kind of uncontrolled perception. ANDY CLARK is professor of Cognitive Philosophy at the University of Sussex and author of Surfing Uncertainty: Prediction, Action, and the Embodied Mind. www.edge.org/conversation/andy_clark-perception-as-controlled-hallucination. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Jun 10, 2019 18:50:24 GMT -5
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 10, 2019 20:47:26 GMT -5
The back and forth between ironhammer and mikegarrison and I regarding Descarte in the Keanu Reeves thread got the juices flowing, so a la Wolfgang I am adding the exoteric discussions thread for those discussions. I could have just used the thred about Anything thread for this purpose but whatever. First one is from Edge.org. In case you have never heard of this, it wa sstarted by John Brockman, a marketing executive. Here is their About Link. www.edge.org/about-edgeorgThey have published off and on a book of the essays written by luminaries focused on a specific question since the late 1990's. The Edge annual question series posits a topic and let people discuss it or try to answer the question from their own narrow viewpoint. Very interesting reads. The essays are short and to the point and very focused. www.edge.org/conversation/john_brockman-edge-booksSo this is what is on top of the conversations on Edge.org Perception As Controlled Hallucination Predictive Processing and the Nature of Conscious Experience A Conversation with Andy Clark Perception itself is a kind of controlled hallucination. . . . [T]he sensory information here acts as feedback on your expectations. It allows you to often correct them and to refine them. But the heavy lifting seems to be being done by the expectations. Does that mean that perception is a controlled hallucination? I sometimes think it would be good to flip that and just think that hallucination is a kind of uncontrolled perception. ANDY CLARK is professor of Cognitive Philosophy at the University of Sussex and author of Surfing Uncertainty: Prediction, Action, and the Embodied Mind. www.edge.org/conversation/andy_clark-perception-as-controlled-hallucination. As Spock would say: "Fascinating".  |
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 10, 2019 20:55:07 GMT -5
Perception as controlled hallucination...interesting. Of course, we are train from young to be socialized into accepting and following certain social norms. But someone who isn't, say, a wild man raised by wolves, aka, Jungle Book, would his perception also be controlled hallucination?
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Post by Wolfgang on Jun 10, 2019 21:04:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the iron/mike discussion was a discussion but more like a fight with each hurling insults to degrade the other.
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 10, 2019 21:07:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the iron/mike discussion was a discussion but more like a fight with each hurling insults to degrade the other. Hey, I agree with Mike on a lot of things. I give him likes quite often. It's just that when we disagree, things can get a little heated. But I have no hard feelings toward him. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 15, 2019 13:32:37 GMT -5
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Post by Fight On! on Jun 17, 2019 23:45:01 GMT -5
I was at a wedding reception the other day and a goofball friend of mine said, “Have you ever thought about the difference between being a human and a being a person.” I laughed at his ass so hard.
I mean I wrote 15 page papers in Contemporary French Philosophy in 1999 about %*$# like this. But not interested in talking about it as 40 year at a party.
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Post by azvb on Jun 18, 2019 14:22:20 GMT -5
I thought this said erotic discussions.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jun 18, 2019 14:53:53 GMT -5
I thought this said erotic discussions. Me, too, several times when this thread first came up. Hell, that's the only reason why I clicked on the thread! |
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 18, 2019 15:50:13 GMT -5
I was at a wedding reception the other day and a goofball friend of mine said, “Have you ever thought about the difference between being a human and a being a person.” I laughed at his ass so hard. I mean I wrote 15 page papers in Contemporary French Philosophy in 1999 about %*$# like this. But not interested in talking about it as 40 year at a party. Continental philosophy, especially more recent French philosophy (i.e. Foucault, Derrida etc), is treated with suspicion if not outright disdain by analytic philosophers. In fact, some don't consider it philosophy at all, but mindless incoherent rambling. As for not being in the mood to talk about it at a party, well, it is kinda a heavy subject to talk about at a party. But that being said, I have heard discussions about the origin and fate of the universe at a high school reunion, so you never know what topics get thrown around on occasions like that.  |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 18, 2019 17:35:23 GMT -5
There's a joke that says one day Bertrand Russell was teaching a class on logic. When he got to the part about a false premise automatically implying a true conclusion, a student asked him:
"So if that's true, then 2+2=5 implies you are the Pope?"
Russell supposedly replied:
"2+2=5 can be reduced to 1=2 or 2=1. The Pope and I are two, so if 2=1 then I am the Pope."
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Of course, that's not really what the logic rule is talking about.
"If A, then B" is shorthanded to "A->B", which also can be read as "A implies B". The idea here is that this is only false in the particular circumstance that A is true but B is not. So, if A is false then "A->B" is always considered true. But that doesn't mean B is true! That's what the student misunderstood.
2+2=5 does not really prove Russell is the Pope. "If 2+2=5, then Russell is the Pope" is a true if/then statement. But that's very different than saying "Russell is the Pope" is a true statement.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jun 18, 2019 19:03:11 GMT -5
I was at a wedding reception the other day and a goofball friend of mine said, “Have you ever thought about the difference between being a human and a being a person.” I laughed at his ass so hard. I mean I wrote 15 page papers in Contemporary French Philosophy in 1999 about %*$# like this. But not interested in talking about it as 40 year at a party. Continental philosophy, especially more recent French philosophy (i.e. Foucault, Derrida etc), is treated with suspicion if not outright disdain by analytic philosophers. In fact, some don't consider it philosophy at all, but mindless incoherent rambling. As for not being in the mood to talk about it at a party, well, it is kinda a heavy subject to talk about at a party. But that being said, I have heard discussions about the origin and fate of the universe at a high school reunion, so you never know what topics get thrown around on occasions like that. The addition of libations, especially when indulged heavily tends to bring out the philosophers in all of us. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 3, 2019 11:52:48 GMT -5
Anyone familiar with Isaiah Berlin's essay: "The Hedgehog and the Fox"?
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Post by hammer on Aug 3, 2019 15:25:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the iron/mike discussion was a discussion but more like a fight with each hurling insults to degrade the other. Speaking of Iron Mike ... |
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