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Post by azvb on Aug 3, 2019 1:14:12 GMT -5
So, Megan Courtney plays OH with her pro team next season. Who is getting better libero training? Her playing OH in Europe for 8 months, or Hentz and Lake playing libero in the NCAA for 4 months? Is it conceivable Hentz or Lake could join Team USA in January and make a run for Tokyo?
I’m just not impressed with Courtney as a libero. I still think KR is #1 libero. Anxious to see Larson and Hill play-hopefully tomorrow.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Aug 3, 2019 3:31:03 GMT -5
So, Megan Courtney plays OH with her pro team next season. Who is getting better libero training? Her playing OH in Europe for 8 months, or Hentz and Lake playing libero in the NCAA for 4 months? Is it conceivable Hentz or Lake could join Team USA in January and make a run for Tokyo? I’m just not impressed with Courtney as a libero. I still think KR is #1 libero. Anxious to see Larson and Hill play-hopefully tomorrow. The problem with Hentz and Lake is they just aren't getting the necessary reps in order to be successful at the next level. While they may be better than Courtney, going up against NCAA competition is not the same as going against professionals. I think it's a different story a year after Hentz and Lake graduate from college. |
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Post by azvb on Aug 3, 2019 10:23:28 GMT -5
So, Megan Courtney plays OH with her pro team next season. Who is getting better libero training? Her playing OH in Europe for 8 months, or Hentz and Lake playing libero in the NCAA for 4 months? Is it conceivable Hentz or Lake could join Team USA in January and make a run for Tokyo? I’m just not impressed with Courtney as a libero. I still think KR is #1 libero. Anxious to see Larson and Hill play-hopefully tomorrow. The problem with Hentz and Lake is they just aren't getting the necessary reps in order to be successful at the next level. While they may be better than Courtney, going up against NCAA competition is not the same as going against professionals. I think it's a different story a year after Hentz and Lake graduate from college. So reps as an OH in Europe are more valuable than reps as a libero in the NCAA? Is that because of the ball, or the tougher serving in the pros, or both? I’m not arguing, just curious. |
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Post by vbfamily on Aug 3, 2019 10:28:56 GMT -5
The problem with Hentz and Lake is they just aren't getting the necessary reps in order to be successful at the next level. While they may be better than Courtney, going up against NCAA competition is not the same as going against professionals. I think it's a different story a year after Hentz and Lake graduate from college. So reps as an OH in Europe are more valuable than reps as a libero in the NCAA? Is that because of the ball, or the tougher serving in the pros, or both? I’m not arguing, just curious. My take: Both if you are in a top league. If so you are passing against the world’s best servers and digging the best hitters albeit middle back vs left usually. It is an entirely different level. The ball may or may not be the FIVB ball (usually not). From what I have heard it is very tough for USA liberos even to get in the top leagues due to roster limits...much easier to find a local Libero and use your limited international spots for bangers. |
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Post by n00b on Aug 3, 2019 10:46:37 GMT -5
So, Megan Courtney plays OH with her pro team next season. Who is getting better libero training? Her playing OH in Europe for 8 months, or Hentz and Lake playing libero in the NCAA for 4 months? Is it conceivable Hentz or Lake could join Team USA in January and make a run for Tokyo? I’m just not impressed with Courtney as a libero. I still think KR is #1 libero. Anxious to see Larson and Hill play-hopefully tomorrow. The reality is that serve receive is 10x more important than defense to Karch & Co. That's just the way high level volleyball is played. Courtney DOES get every bit of serve receive training while playing as an OH in her pro season. |
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 3, 2019 10:52:04 GMT -5
So, Megan Courtney plays OH with her pro team next season. Who is getting better libero training? Her playing OH in Europe for 8 months, or Hentz and Lake playing libero in the NCAA for 4 months? Is it conceivable Hentz or Lake could join Team USA in January and make a run for Tokyo? I’m just not impressed with Courtney as a libero. I still think KR is #1 libero. Anxious to see Larson and Hill play-hopefully tomorrow. The reality is that serve receive is 10x more important than defense to Karch & Co. That's just the way high level volleyball is played. Courtney DOES get every bit of serve receive training while playing as an OH in her pro season. Yes, and Karch is correct in that approach. At the highest level, floor defense is just an artifact of every other facet of the game...the last link in the causal chain and not a root cause of wins/losses. |
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Post by n00b on Aug 3, 2019 11:00:17 GMT -5
The reality is that serve receive is 10x more important than defense to Karch & Co. That's just the way high level volleyball is played. Courtney DOES get every bit of serve receive training while playing as an OH in her pro season. Yes, and Karch is correct in that approach. At the highest level, floor defense is just an artifact of every other facet of the game...the last link in the causal chain and not a root cause of wins/losses. It's no doubt more important in the international game than at the lower levels. I really don't follow international volleyball all that closely, but my impression is that Karch takes that philosophy much more to the extreme than other elite international teams. Opposing liberos always seem to be quicker, more dynamic defenders. |
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Post by trollhunter on Aug 3, 2019 11:05:55 GMT -5
The problem with Hentz and Lake is they just aren't getting the necessary reps in order to be successful at the next level. While they may be better than Courtney, going up against NCAA competition is not the same as going against professionals. I think it's a different story a year after Hentz and Lake graduate from college. So reps as an OH in Europe are more valuable than reps as a libero in the NCAA? Is that because of the ball, or the tougher serving in the pros, or both? I’m not arguing, just curious. Yes, pro reps are MUCH more valuable than NCAA reps. Primarily for both of the reasons you mentioned, but also many more factors (digging, rules, regime, systems, etc.) |
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Post by Fight On! on Aug 3, 2019 11:25:52 GMT -5
So, Megan Courtney plays OH with her pro team next season. Who is getting better libero training? Her playing OH in Europe for 8 months, or Hentz and Lake playing libero in the NCAA for 4 months? Is it conceivable Hentz or Lake could join Team USA in January and make a run for Tokyo? I’m just not impressed with Courtney as a libero. I still think KR is #1 libero. Anxious to see Larson and Hill play-hopefully tomorrow. The reality is that serve receive is 10x more important than defense to Karch & Co. That's just the way high level volleyball is played. Courtney DOES get every bit of serve receive training while playing as an OH in her pro season. +1 |
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Post by Fight On! on Aug 3, 2019 11:27:28 GMT -5
Yes, and Karch is correct in that approach. At the highest level, floor defense is just an artifact of every other facet of the game...the last link in the causal chain and not a root cause of wins/losses. It's no doubt more important in the international game than at the lower levels. I really don't follow international volleyball all that closely, but my impression is that Karch takes that philosophy much more to the extreme than other elite international teams. Opposing liberos always seem to be quicker, more dynamic defenders. And Zhu, Plak, Sylla, and Mijalovic (among many others) aren’t elite passers. They just clean up their own mess on the pins. |
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Post by azvb on Aug 3, 2019 11:48:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. My next question:
Do you think KK will ask Lake and Heinz to come train in January?
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 3, 2019 11:50:20 GMT -5
So, Megan Courtney plays OH with her pro team next season. Who is getting better libero training? Her playing OH in Europe for 8 months, or Hentz and Lake playing libero in the NCAA for 4 months? Is it conceivable Hentz or Lake could join Team USA in January and make a run for Tokyo? I’m just not impressed with Courtney as a libero. I still think KR is #1 libero. Anxious to see Larson and Hill play-hopefully tomorrow. The answer I think, unfortunately, is neither. Courtney getting reps as an attacker and/or receiver (if she even gets to receive) doesn't do anything for her in terms of playing libero for USA. Karch may in fact prioritize serve receive 10x more than defense, but we aren't seeing any marked improvement in either serve receive or defense from anyone coming out of the USA gym. For that reason, Lake or Hentz training for 4 months starting in January--with no real international or pro competition opportunities--won't make much of a difference. Most int'l/pro coaches don't view such a drastic dichotomy in the importance of serve receive vs defense. Some view both with a "better the ball" with each contact philosophy, while a few coaches--correctly I believe--assess the libero with a sort of cost/benefit analysis in terms of earning or costing points, e.g. did that pass help us score that point, or, did that missed tip coverage or poor defensive position cost us a point (or the opportunity to score a point)? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 11:51:37 GMT -5
What is Hentz's grad plans? I have heard Plummer plans to graduate in December and go pro. But, is Hentz graduating in December? If she isn't, doesn't Stanford's academic calendar run well into the summer?
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Post by n00b on Aug 3, 2019 11:52:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. My next question: Do you think KK will ask Lake and Heinz to come train in January? Ask? Yes. I think it's much more likely that Lake will be more able/willing to either graduate early or put off her last semester of school. Although has Hentz EVER been in the USA gym? Senior or junior teams? |
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Post by azvb on Aug 3, 2019 11:59:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. My next question: Do you think KK will ask Lake and Heinz to come train in January? Ask? Yes. I think it's much more likely that Lake will be more able/willing to either graduate early or put off her last semester of school. Although has Hentz EVER been in the USA gym? Senior or junior teams? I think I read Lake is starting grad school this fall? I’ll have to see if I can find that. Edit. This is what I read. Following this week’s Olympic qualifiers, Lake will return to Provo and start preparing for BYU’s 2019 campaign. After college, she will study her options regarding her volleyball future in the professional ranks. She’s anxious to put her accounting degree to work (she begins graduate studies this fall) and hopes to start a family one day. |
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