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Post by hammer on Aug 23, 2019 23:42:12 GMT -5
What we have here, is a failure to communicate ... our definitions of what "outplayed" means. If the definition of "outplayed" is to win the match, then I think it's pretty trivial to argue that the winner of the match always outplays the opponent. However, I don't generally believe in the "clutch performer"/"who wants it more" theory that it is a major virtue to win the close sets. If anything, someone who can "turn it on" and win the close sets implies that is also someone who is playing at less than full throttle the rest of the time. Now maybe it's tactics. I've definitely seen cases where teams "shut it down" in certain sets when they are guaranteed to lose that set, then come roaring back in the next set. That makes sense, if you can pull it off. Everyone has only so much in the tank, so why waste it on a blowout set? But in general, I don't think winning close sets is a skill or a strategy or "outplaying" so much as it is good fortune. I agree with this because I’m a big believer of random luck — and even dumb luck. I believe in "clutch performers", but only a small percentage of athletes fall into this category. Furthermore, "clutch" isn't needed in most confrontations. Anyway, here are two clutch performers ...
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 0:36:20 GMT -5
I know the doof in the first pic is JoJo, but not sure who the diving girl is in the second pic.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 0:40:42 GMT -5
I know the doof in the first pic is JoJo, but not sure who the diving girl is in the second pic. It's Hentz, ya doof.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 0:42:57 GMT -5
Who’s Hentz?
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 1:10:41 GMT -5
That's why you're a doof.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 1:12:45 GMT -5
Well, JoJo is a doof so I’m in good company.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 24, 2019 1:14:48 GMT -5
What does JoJo have to do with anything?
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Post by hammer on Aug 24, 2019 12:14:36 GMT -5
Didn't you rent a car from her?
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 24, 2019 15:07:05 GMT -5
That's why you're a doof. You meant, "Hentz, you're a doof." That would have been a clutch play. On words.
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 24, 2019 18:52:12 GMT -5
The fundamental attraction of all sports is that there is always an element of uncertainty. Otherwise, watching sports would be like watching the hands on a clock. Simone Biles could fall on every event and still win the AA. Not quite. It's a full point off for a fall. She isn't winning by over 4 points. In rio she won by 2 points with a very good performance on all events
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 24, 2019 19:05:17 GMT -5
Can you "fall" in the floor exercise? You're already on the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 19:08:26 GMT -5
Simone Biles could fall on every event and still win the AA. Not quite. It's a full point off for a fall. She isn't winning by over 4 points. In rio she won by 2 points with a very good performance on all events 1. She won by two points in Rio, yes, but Raisman came in second. There is no one as good as Raisman competing currently to challenge Biles. 2. Biles is better now than she was in 2016. 3. The Code of Points is different in this quad. Dismounts are no longer awarded a bonus 0.50 and are now simply scored as countable skills in the routine, so scores have decreased overall for nearly everyone performing safe dismounts, but Biles D-score is still off the charts due to the skills she performs on vault, floor, and beam that no one else in the world is even attempting. Her dismounts are E, F, G whereas everyone else is throwing D dismounts. She also loads up on those series bonuses on beam that no one else can nail consistently. 4. She won by *five* points two weeks ago in Kansas City in one of her worst (her standards) meets of her career. Five points in a sport decided by tenths. So I’ll say it again: Simone Biles could fall on every event and still win the AA.
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Post by jojojo on Aug 24, 2019 19:08:34 GMT -5
Last season SC should have taken the match in Palo Alto, but they tightened up towards the end of sets 1 and 2, and Stanford played like the champs they were. That is how Stanford has played consistently for at least the last two years. They don't over extend themselves and crush teams. They are happy to trade points until 18 or 20 and then step up and score when it matters. It happens over and over so it is not a fluke. Kinda disturbing, actually. I'm very curious what happens next year, when the kids have learned to play that way, but you no longer have the big four that can actually pull it off. Remind me of the Pats...Stanford is laser-focused when it's money time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 19:09:03 GMT -5
Can you "fall" in the floor exercise? You're already on the ground. Like out of a skill? Sure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 19:13:14 GMT -5
Can you "fall" in the floor exercise? You're already on the ground. Idk, can you fall onto the ground? I believe that’s something I have heard can happen. If you can fall on the ground, you can fall on the ground above 4” springs. And the answer is yes. A “fall” in gymnastics terms is really defined as any ‘disconnection’ from the event like actually falling off - and yes people have actually tumbled off the raised podium at meets. But a fall can also be anything that shows full stop. For example, on uneven bars, coming to a full stop and resting your hips on the bar is a fall for purposes of definitions in the code of points, even though you didn’t leave the apparatus.
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