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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 23, 2019 13:10:54 GMT -5
I think Mark Burik should be added to that list of hard workers. His Youtube channel is awesome if you're a B/A level player trying to get better. After reading the Chicago registration thread, he seems to be thought of negatively on this board which is surprising because that is not my experience with him at all. In person, he's very nice and a great coach/instructor. Mark used to write a lot more, haven't really seen anything from him in a while. I thought he was quite good at it too. His article on making the move to CA is one of my favorites written in vball. avp.com/news/avp-players-have-it-do-you/
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Post by 704 on Aug 23, 2019 13:45:13 GMT -5
I think Mark Burik should be added to that list of hard workers. His Youtube channel is awesome if you're a B/A level player trying to get better. After reading the Chicago registration thread, he seems to be thought of negatively on this board which is surprising because that is not my experience with him at all. In person, he's very nice and a great coach/instructor. Mark used to write a lot more, haven't really seen anything from him in a while. I thought he was quite good at it too. His article on making the move to CA is one of my favorites written in vball. avp.com/news/avp-players-have-it-do-you/I hadn't seen that before, thanks for sharing that.
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Post by haze on Aug 23, 2019 13:46:05 GMT -5
Part of the problem with Beach Volleyball is not the entertainment value it's the money and advertisement. There's no monetary incentive for a big company to invest in Beach Volleyball. Speedo invests in swimming because they can sell their brand to throusands of swim teams around the country. Asics and Mizuno invest in volleyball because there are more girls in the United States that play Club volleyball than any other sport. They make money. Wilson will throw money at the USTA befcause it allows their name to be used to sell rackets and balls and gear. What does Beach Volleyball have? Swimsuits? Roxy gives money. How much can they really make off selling swimsuits only though? Speedo can sell swimsuits, goggles, gear, bags, warmups, to teams with 100s of kids on them. What do you sell to a Beach Volleyball player that shows up with a ball, a backpack, in their swimsuit and flip flops?
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 23, 2019 13:57:54 GMT -5
Part of the problem with Beach Volleyball is not the entertainment value it's the money and advertisement. There's no monetary incentive for a big company to invest in Beach Volleyball. Speedo invests in swimming because they can sell their brand to throusands of swim teams around the country. Asics and Mizuno invest in volleyball because there are more girls in the United States that play Club volleyball than any other sport. They make money. Wilson will throw money at the USTA befcause it allows their name to be used to sell rackets and balls and gear. What does Beach Volleyball have? Swimsuits? Roxy gives money. How much can they really make off selling swimsuits only though? Speedo can sell swimsuits, goggles, gear, bags, warmups, to teams with 100s of kids on them. What do you sell to a Beach Volleyball player that shows up with a ball, a backpack, in their swimsuit and flip flops? It blows my mind that a full line skin care company really hasn't stepped forward. There are 84 NCAA varsity programs 16 NAIA 65 2 year/JC schools That's 165 schools! Up from 95 in 2017 www.avca.org/res/uploads/media/Varsity-Beach-VB-Programs-5-1-19.pdf
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Post by guest2 on Aug 23, 2019 13:57:54 GMT -5
1) Part of it is that the constant focus on the Olympics detracts from the popularity of the sport. 2) The constant focus on qualifying, rather than winning whatever event, cheapens the events and makes them seem less important. Re 1), I'm on the other side of that fence from you. The Olympics is the only reason that "Olympic Sports" are televised. Olympic Sports has become the marketing term for Track and Field, Gymnastics, Figure Skating, Sailing, Alpine Skiing, Curling, Ski Jumping, Swimming, Archery and basically any sport that isn't profitably standing on its own outside of the Olympics. Sports that actually make money are never called Olympic Sports.... Football/Soccer, American Football, Hockey, Basketball, Baseball, MMA, Boxing This isnt the opposite side of the fence its the same. My point is that Melissa thinks BVB is something people want and that the fact that people watch it during the Olympics proves that. My point was she misunderstands whats driving the popularity, that its the Olympic element, not the BVB element that predominatesIf you take out the Olympics, there is no FIVB, and the AVP would have failed miserably in the early 2000s. World Championships mean nothting other than the event half way in between Olympic Games. Here I absolutely do disagree. Pre-Olympics the sport was at its peak. Huge mainstream exposure, rules etc. that favored players who could be marketed (i.e. Stoklos and Luyties rather than Doherty and Gibb. The rule changes forced by the FIVB, as well as AVP mismanagement, took away exposure and changed the game to something people didnt recognize as easily and that wasnt as enjoyableWhy do you think Professional Beach Volleyball limits teammates to players holding the same passport? I was watching the AVP/FIVP 2018 Huntington Beach Open, and Stokos kept calling the A-Team "the Americans", and Bialek/Schneider "the Germans". Nationalism sells. The home nest of nationalism is sport is the Olympics. The Olympics sells because nationalism sells. But beach volleyball doesnt sell outside of 5-8 events a year (a few AVPs, Gstaad, Hamburg, etc.) Otherwise its playing mostly to empty houses. Also the FIVB doesnt have a clue how to market the game. The country versus country element is negligible, it just keeps compelling teams from forming and holds some players back Nationalism sells. Minor sports don't... unless they're Olympic sports. Agree in theory if that nationalism leads to rivalries that are promoted and pushed but they arent. The FIVB isnt a tour its a vaguely related series of one offs where no continuity is ever developed except for hard core fans2). Agree 100% with this. But I don't know of a suitable alternative. You can't just let each Federation pick two teams... you'd have a 60 team Olympic first round. Why not? Let every team that wins an FIVB get a bye and all the others play single elim to move on to what is now the Olympic structure. The extended qualifying period is solely a means of controlling the sport. It makes very little sense and prevents countries and regions from building strong tours of their own.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 23, 2019 14:01:54 GMT -5
Part of the problem with Beach Volleyball is not the entertainment value it's the money and advertisement. There's no monetary incentive for a big company to invest in Beach Volleyball. Speedo invests in swimming because they can sell their brand to throusands of swim teams around the country. Asics and Mizuno invest in volleyball because there are more girls in the United States that play Club volleyball than any other sport. They make money. Wilson will throw money at the USTA befcause it allows their name to be used to sell rackets and balls and gear. What does Beach Volleyball have? Swimsuits? Roxy gives money. How much can they really make off selling swimsuits only though? Speedo can sell swimsuits, goggles, gear, bags, warmups, to teams with 100s of kids on them. What do you sell to a Beach Volleyball player that shows up with a ball, a backpack, in their swimsuit and flip flops? You sell swimsuits, a ball, a backpack and flip flops. The trouble, at least on the mens side but the womens to some extent too, is the players either have no distinct style, are super old, or arent the type anyone wants to emulate. If you saw a bikini or trunks could you identify the player they belong to? Maybe if they are Brit's or possibly Brandie's every now and then or maybe Geena or Trevor last year. But otherwise? Why would you buy shorts to look like Phil or Jake or Taylor when their shorts are exactly like everyone elses?
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 23, 2019 14:05:13 GMT -5
Part of the problem with Beach Volleyball is not the entertainment value it's the money and advertisement. There's no monetary incentive for a big company to invest in Beach Volleyball. Speedo invests in swimming because they can sell their brand to throusands of swim teams around the country. Asics and Mizuno invest in volleyball because there are more girls in the United States that play Club volleyball than any other sport. They make money. Wilson will throw money at the USTA befcause it allows their name to be used to sell rackets and balls and gear. What does Beach Volleyball have? Swimsuits? Roxy gives money. How much can they really make off selling swimsuits only though? Speedo can sell swimsuits, goggles, gear, bags, warmups, to teams with 100s of kids on them. What do you sell to a Beach Volleyball player that shows up with a ball, a backpack, in their swimsuit and flip flops? You sell swimsuits, a ball, a backpack and flip flops. The trouble, at least on the mens side but the womens to some extent too, is the players either have no distinct style, are super old, or arent the type anyone wants to emulate. If you saw a bikini or trunks could you identify the player they belong to? Maybe if they are Brit's or possibly Brandie's every now and then or maybe Geena or Trevor last year. But otherwise? Why would you buy shorts to look like Phil or Jake or Taylor when their shorts are exactly like everyone elses? I want a Kolinske Green Tee shirt!
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Post by guest2 on Aug 23, 2019 14:11:30 GMT -5
You sell swimsuits, a ball, a backpack and flip flops. The trouble, at least on the mens side but the womens to some extent too, is the players either have no distinct style, are super old, or arent the type anyone wants to emulate. If you saw a bikini or trunks could you identify the player they belong to? Maybe if they are Brit's or possibly Brandie's every now and then or maybe Geena or Trevor last year. But otherwise? Why would you buy shorts to look like Phil or Jake or Taylor when their shorts are exactly like everyone elses? I want a Kolinske Green Tee shirt! Only with three days of sweatstains
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Post by dunninla3 on Aug 23, 2019 14:34:22 GMT -5
You sell swimsuits, a ball, a backpack and flip flops. The trouble, at least on the mens side but the womens to some extent too, is the players either have no distinct style, are super old, or arent the type anyone wants to emulate. If you saw a bikini or trunks could you identify the player they belong to? Maybe if they are Brit's or possibly Brandie's every now and then or maybe Geena or Trevor last year. But otherwise? Why would you buy shorts to look like Phil or Jake or Taylor when their shorts are exactly like everyone elses? I want a Kolinske Green Tee shirt! Sure. Sewer algae slime is a great color. On the plus side, he could sleep in sewer slime and nobody would know the difference.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 23, 2019 14:43:39 GMT -5
I want a Kolinske Green Tee shirt! Only with three days of sweatstains DUH!!!
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Post by ramo2653 on Aug 23, 2019 18:45:06 GMT -5
Actually, Trevor, Phil and maybe Rosie if he wears the "S" shorts are the one's I would recognize. Troy Field's hat is a signature and it actually made me check out the Slunks site but I balked at the prices, same with Rox. Are the $60 shorts better than the $15-$30 pairs I normally buy (even with me ripping two pair this summer)?
Brit's swimsuits are notable because their almost like a halter top. Chrissy Jones stood out because she wore a one piece while playing.
And for marketability, I play with a lady that moved here from Canada for grad school and decided to stay (so she's been in the US for 6+ years now but goes back to visit family frequently) and she had no clue about Mel and Sarah. But she knows all about Kerri.
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Post by rainmaker on Aug 23, 2019 19:58:12 GMT -5
Need someone to break out Aks old shorts, awesome!
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Post by geedawg on Aug 24, 2019 0:06:40 GMT -5
Especially the pair with the dingle balls!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 1:03:06 GMT -5
I had no idea M.H.P had a youtube channel. I just looked it up and subscribed. (She has only 608 subscribers, truly wish she had more). I watch the McKibbin Brothers even though I have never seen they play.
For me the bottom line is, Americans mostly only support men`s sports...and you go from there. How many girls playing volleyball in high school and college?! How many of them are following or watching pro volleyball (indoor-beach)?!...Not many. Imagine what a following Kerri or Larson would have on social media if they had the support of these girls.....but I`m pretty sure they are all following male players from basketball, football, soccer etc.
But I think at the end of the day there`s just not enough volleyball fans. Volleyball is just a sport people are not crazy about it.
Is Tennis really that popular? I`m pretty sure most Americans could name only Serena if asked. But still...events are selling tickets, they are on tv and players are making millions.....Tennis`s fans are loyal and they go out of their way to watch and they will pay for it....unfortunately volleyball does not have enough loyal fans.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 1:22:41 GMT -5
I don’t show up to beach vb events for a number of reasons:
1. I only follow college beach vb — and only Hawaii,
2. I only follow them online,
3. If there are pro beach vb events in my area (SF-San Jose Bay Area), I never hear about them so I wouldn’t even know to attend such events,
4. There’s still something not “right” about the sport. I’m not referring to the outfits. I’m talking about the sport as sport. I haven’t pinpointed what exactly is wrong with the sport but something about it makes me avoid it.
5. The utter confusion surrounding the organizations, events, qualification process, etc. It’s too much.
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