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Post by vinnielopes on Aug 30, 2019 0:30:07 GMT -5
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Post by CoastalVB on Aug 30, 2019 4:15:34 GMT -5
USA 3-0.
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Post by colonial2415 on Aug 30, 2019 5:39:29 GMT -5
How come for as long as I remember we do awful in the 19 and under, 18 and under, etc.. tournaments that are international, yet we have an outstanding national team. Why is that?
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Post by CoastalVB on Aug 30, 2019 6:31:16 GMT -5
How come for as long as I remember we do awful in the 19 and under, 18 and under, etc.. tournaments that are international, yet we have an outstanding national team. Why is that? The other countries train year round together and with the same ball. Many of the players also play professionally at 16-18 some even joining their national teams. They have played against and seen the game of 20-30 year olds. Americans play their same age and train together very little. Our players have rarely seen the type of serving that comes with these top teams. |
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Post by vbc1 on Aug 30, 2019 7:36:14 GMT -5
How come for as long as I remember we do awful in the 19 and under, 18 and under, etc.. tournaments that are international, yet we have an outstanding national team. Why is that? The other countries train year round together and with the same ball. Many of the players also play professionally at 16-18 some even joining their national teams. They have played against and seen the game of 20-30 year olds. Americans play their same age and train together very little. Our players have rarely seen the type of serving that comes with these top teams. +1 Also, USAV does not put teams in these international tournaments with the expectations of winning it all. Rather, they put our teams in there to get the experience necessary to understand what it takes to be successful at the next level after college. Plain and simple. |
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Post by 310vball on Aug 30, 2019 8:04:45 GMT -5
No matter how you spin it, finishing 15th is just embarrassing. Finishing behind countries like Bulgaria, Belarus, and just ahead of Chinese Taipei, is just unacceptable, no matter what the excuse. The US has metro areas bigger than these countries! I do not know what the answer is, but in my opinion it is an indictment of the HP system. Perhaps those overheard rumors of coaches trading spots in HP for visiting their colleges, or players not trying out but somehow end up high on the HP ladder, are actually true. Makes one wonder...
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Post by CoastalVB on Aug 30, 2019 8:21:05 GMT -5
No matter how you spin it, finishing 15th is just embarrassing. Finishing behind countries like Bulgaria, Belarus, and just ahead of Chinese Taipei, is just unacceptable, no matter what the excuse. The US has metro areas bigger than these countries! I do not know what the answer is, but in my opinion it is an indictment of the HP system. Perhaps those overheard rumors of coaches trading spots in HP for visiting their colleges, or players not trying out but somehow end up high on the HP ladder, are actually true. Makes one wonder... Just very uninformed. You can take any version of talent in the United States and the result would be the same. Our entire system would have to change for us to compete for a medal at this level and that would mean forgoing college pursuits. Come see the talent in person. It is so high. If our kids turned pro at 17 and 18 we would have a chance. We don’t have that system. Also if we played top teams in preparation for these events that would help - Brazil, Germany, Egypt etc. Chinese Taipei would have been in the gold medal match at HPs - that shows you the lower level of competition we face all year long in the U.S. compared to the rest of the world - not strong enough. 2011 Arron Russell’s squad came in 11th behind Greece, Spain and Bulgaria - clearly the fix was in then as it was in 2015 when we only finished 7th with 4 future All Americans. Yep USA tanks on purpose. Really? |
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Post by backinthesaddle on Aug 30, 2019 11:51:40 GMT -5
Finishing 15th in a tournament of this caliber is anything but “embarrassing.” If you’ve never attended an international tournament or been exposed to this level of competition, then I understand you don’t have a reference point. The U19 team battled every match despite the fact that they were outsized, out experienced and had about 10 less months of practice/competition together. Each player will move on to collegiate competition and be much more prepared for that next level. Most of the rest of the world’s players will go on to work, a handful will play or continue to play ball professionally. We always catch up during the collegiate years... KUDOS to every player, coach and USA Volleyball 👍
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Post by theballneverlies on Aug 30, 2019 12:28:01 GMT -5
We watched the US Youth National Training Team at HP Championships this summer. They had great chemistry and the core of that team has been playing together on HP teams for the past 3 years (Briggs, Deluzio, Hartley, Hill, Karlous, and Knight were all on the 2017 A1 Select Red Team). Julien, Godbold, and Kauling joined them on the Youth National Training Team in 2018, and the only "new" players in 2019 were Sani and Wardlow (well, and Lawrence who ended up not traveling). The team was solid talent.
However, I am very curious about the SCVA/HP dynamic. This year's Youth National Team had a lot of Southern California kids on it, but this year's A1 Select Red and White teams were much more geographically balanced. On the Red team, half were Californians (2 North, 4 South) with the rest of the team coming from Texas, Ohio, and Great Lakes regions. Great players all. The White team had 3 Northern Californian kids, 3 from the Great Lakes, 2 from Ohio, and 1 each from Hawaii, Florida, North Country, and Gateway. No SoCal players.
The SCVA regional teams that come to HP are always very strong, and looking at it from the outside, it seems like those players may be opting to play for the SCVA regional teams rather than trying out for the US HP teams. Is there any truth to that? If so, then the National teams may be missing out on some talent. As we all know, team chemistry is huge. There isn't a lot of turnover on the Red and White US HP teams. Of the 24 boys on the 2019 Red and White A1 Select teams, only 9 were new to the A1 program. If strong regional players (esp. from SCVA) are either not trying out for HP, or opting to play for SCVA regional team during their Select years, then by the time the Youth National Team selections are made, it might be too late for some of those players to "break in" to the top HP team.
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Post by backinthesaddle on Aug 30, 2019 12:47:08 GMT -5
Last year, the Youth National Team competed in the NORCECA Championships, taking second to CUBA, thus earning their bid for this year’s World Championships. Those games, in Costa Rica, were held prior to the HPC’s, thus allowing many of the YNT players eligible, to play for the SCVA Regional team, which won in 2018. This year, 2019, the 24 players selected for the YN Training Team competed at the HPC’s, split into two separate teams but with some slight player exchanges between teams until playoffs. The YNT RED, beat a weaker SCVA Regional Team in the semi’s and the USA RED A1 Team in the finals. Many of the players on the YNT would have been eligible to play for the SCVA Regional Team but because of timing and the opportunity to train and play with the YNT chose otherwise.
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Post by teamjess on Aug 30, 2019 13:05:38 GMT -5
It will be interesting to watch these players as they develop over the next several years. The previous age group BYNT/MJNY - several of the players that made the travel team are no longer even playing volleyball.
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Post by CoastalVB on Aug 30, 2019 13:17:01 GMT -5
We watched the US Youth National Training Team at HP Championships this summer. They had great chemistry and the core of that team has been playing together on HP teams for the past 3 years (Briggs, Deluzio, Hartley, Hill, Karlous, and Knight were all on the 2017 A1 Select Red Team). Julien, Godbold, and Kauling joined them on the Youth National Training Team in 2018, and the only "new" players in 2019 were Sani and Wardlow (well, and Lawrence who ended up not traveling). The team was solid talent. However, I am very curious about the SCVA/HP dynamic. This year's Youth National Team had a lot of Southern California kids on it, but this year's A1 Select Red and White teams were much more geographically balanced. On the Red team, half were Californians (2 North, 4 South) with the rest of the team coming from Texas, Ohio, and Great Lakes regions. Great players all. The White team had 3 Northern Californian kids, 3 from the Great Lakes, 2 from Ohio, and 1 each from Hawaii, Florida, North Country, and Gateway. No SoCal players. The SCVA regional teams that come to HP are always very strong, and looking at it from the outside, it seems like those players may be opting to play for the SCVA regional teams rather than trying out for the US HP teams. Is there any truth to that? If so, then the National teams may be missing out on some talent. As we all know, team chemistry is huge. There isn't a lot of turnover on the Red and White US HP teams. Of the 24 boys on the 2019 Red and White A1 Select teams, only 9 were new to the A1 program. If strong regional players (esp. from SCVA) are either not trying out for HP, or opting to play for SCVA regional team during their Select years, then by the time the Youth National Team selections are made, it might be too late for some of those players to "break in" to the top HP team. Many of the SCVA regional players tried out and were alternates for the YNTT. In the summer of 2018 many of the boys on the Youth National Team played for the SCVA regional team that won Gold at HPs - Knipe, Tangutur, Godbold, Solan, Knight. |
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Post by CoastalVB on Aug 30, 2019 13:20:38 GMT -5
It will be interesting to watch these players as they develop over the next several years. The previous age group BYNT/MJNY - several of the players that made the travel team are no longer even playing volleyball. Who is no longer playing volleyball? From those teams Hall, Lewis, Presho, Jasper, Bowles, Browning, Joslyn, Matheney, Schneidmiller, Nelson...seem To be playing in college and playing well. |
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Post by teamjess on Aug 30, 2019 13:21:25 GMT -5
It will be interesting to watch these players as they develop over the next several years. The previous age group BYNT/MJNY - several of the players that made the travel team are no longer even playing volleyball. Who is no longer playing volleyball? From those teams Hall, Lewis, Presho, Jasper, Bowles, Browning, Joslyn, Matheney, Schneidmiller, Nelson...seem To be playing in college and playing well. Kyle Merchen, Jack Matthews, Garland Peed - those are just off the top of my head. I am not sure where all of the 2016 BYNT are at this point. But neither Kyle or Jack are playing anymore. Garland was on the 2018 MJNT travel team. |
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Post by backinthesaddle on Aug 30, 2019 13:28:20 GMT -5
Semantics here, but three out of 24 is hardly “several”.
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