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Post by westcoastbias on Sept 18, 2019 1:07:31 GMT -5
They will run a 6-2 with Henry and Luke. Henry will stay front row and hit. Luke is not happy. Regardless of the lineup SCVC chooses, they will have no chance against the east coast teams. #eastcoastforlife #eastcoastbestcoast #eastcoasttoast Lol
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Post by bealzabubba on Sept 18, 2019 10:49:24 GMT -5
15 player roster is nuts, guys riding the bench in practice scrims, lol... Agree, 12 max - not sure how you’d make 15 work Online Roster updated, now 14 for SCVC 16's. As noted above, 4 former MBS 15's now at SCVC - L, S, OH, and an A2 level OH who played OPPO for the Surf. Taking a look at my game pics, all except the L were in rotation for MBS last year (light rotation per my memory) - very solid (ETA: well above average) players, not starters. As I suspected, 3 of them played at SCVC as 14's. Roster sizes for last years top 15s, at JBI (per AES): 14 - MBS / OCVC 13 - SG / SCVC 12 - Coast 10 - BB / 352. 9 - AZ Fear (2s) ETA: I know that at least one of those large rosters is off - a couple kids quit one of those teams, and there were a "spring add" already in place, so it may not be truly representative. 12 allows 6 on 6, 13 permits 6 on starting 7, and 14 permits full rotation inter squad scrimmages. From personal experience, there's a lot of butt-hurt at tournaments over PT, though, depending on what positions are stockpiled, with larger rosters. FWIW - SCVC last year played basically/almost two entirely different lineups in consecutive sets in a match - it's one reason (IMO) that team got much better over the season, and something I personally really liked seeing - development over results.
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Post by VolleyFanFL on Sept 18, 2019 11:35:25 GMT -5
All righty then. Predictions for the JBI?
15s - 16s - 17s -
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Post by bealzabubba on Sept 18, 2019 12:47:56 GMT -5
All righty then. Predictions for the JBI? 15s - 16s - 17s - JBI should be wild, since it's now a week before the NorCal bid tourney, and hopefully draws those teams, too (specifically MVVC / B2B) My big question in 16's: who added height / who grew? None of the top teams last year (except MVVC) was very long, particularly at MB. For the SCVA teams, a lot will (may?) also depend on who stays down that played 16s last year. Wave and OCVC, in particular, had long/excellent 15s eligibles that played on their 16s - do those kids play 16s again, or stay with their teams and play 17s? That said, the Surf still has to be the favorite in 16s. Sure, they lost bench players, but they also added starters to that bench from other teams (SG's starting Oppo, for one). 17s: If they stay healthy, favorite should be Rockstar, looking to rebound after a disappointing BJNC's - there simply aren't that many good 6'9"+ players around, and they had two.
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Post by VolleyFanFL on Sept 18, 2019 16:05:27 GMT -5
Agree, it is always interesting to see who jumps from the 14s to 16s due the waiver.
15s - This is the wildcard due to the age waiver issue. 16s - MB surf, but it could be Balboa Bay, 352, or SAS (if they come) 17s - Dont see anyone beating Rockstar
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Post by G$ on Sept 18, 2019 19:17:56 GMT -5
Agree, it is always interesting to see who jumps from the 14s to 16s due the waiver. 15s - This is the wildcard due to the age waiver issue. 16s - MB surf, but it could be Balboa Bay, 352, or SAS (if they come) 17s - Dont see anyone beating Rockstar What makes you think Rockstar 17s has this all locked up? They are a great team, especially when healthy. Did they add another OH ? When injury hit last season, they finished 9th (Rockstar 16) after a tight loss to a good Borinquen team. They had all their key players, but certainly not at 100%. They need more depth at OH. I cannot figure out that Wave 17 team. (16s from last year) - They are very long. Looks to be solid at every position. Why cant they win? That MB SURF 15s team last year was very good, so hard to think they wont do well again, even with losses. I am sure they added bodies too - maybe the gained as much as they lost? Athletes would want to join that winning team.
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Post by rbillini on Sept 18, 2019 20:01:40 GMT -5
SCVC 17s should be interesting this year. Nobody back from the 16s team last year. 5 from MBS, 4 from Rockstar, Julian from Balboa Bay as noted before. Add in a new coach, Gary Sato. Should be a very good team.
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Post by VolleyFanFL on Sept 19, 2019 6:22:56 GMT -5
Agree, it is always interesting to see who jumps from the 14s to 16s due the waiver. 15s - This is the wildcard due to the age waiver issue. 16s - MB surf, but it could be Balboa Bay, 352, or SAS (if they come) 17s - Dont see anyone beating Rockstar What makes you think Rockstar 17s has this all locked up? They are a great team, especially when healthy. Did they add another OH ? When injury hit last season, they finished 9th (Rockstar 16) after a tight loss to a good Borinquen team. They had all their key players, but certainly not at 100%. They need more depth at OH. I cannot figure out that Wave 17 team. (16s from last year) - They are very long. Looks to be solid at every position. Why cant they win? That MB SURF 15s team last year was very good, so hard to think they wont do well again, even with losses. I am sure they added bodies too - maybe the gained as much as they lost? Athletes would want to join that winning team. Agree with your comments on MB surf. Now is the time when you see boys who are great athletes transition to volleyball, and championship teams draw the best.
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Post by sandygears on Sept 19, 2019 15:13:35 GMT -5
All righty then. Predictions for the JBI? 15s - 16s - 17s - JBI should be wild, since it's now a week before the NorCal bid tourney, and hopefully draws those teams, too (specifically MVVC / B2B) My big question in 16's: who added height / who grew? None of the top teams last year (except MVVC) was very long, particularly at MB. For the SCVA teams, a lot will (may?) also depend on who stays down that played 16s last year. Wave and OCVC, in particular, had long/excellent 15s eligibles that played on their 16s - do those kids play 16s again, or stay with their teams and play 17s? That said, the Surf still has to be the favorite in 16s. Sure, they lost bench players, but they also added starters to that bench from other teams (SG's starting Oppo, for one). 17s: If they stay healthy, favorite should be Rockstar, looking to rebound after a disappointing BJNC's - there simply aren't that many good 6'9"+ players around, and they had two. First post... Really glad to have found this forum, have read through a number of threads the last week or so and the info and community is great! (daughter played some pretty high end soccer (retired) and those forums???... not so much community, but also a great source of info and guidance, which had me look for similar in Vball). Really neat to see the NY, WI, collegiate and National Program etc. threads too! So big thanks to the VolleyTalk Mods!
So, I haven't followed much outside of son's age group so far (now 16's), but I do know that there has been some movement in San Diego among the clubs. Coast and Wave both have further consolidated talent down here going in to this year and should be pretty competitive. Again, only aware of some of the club/team moves of players 15 going 16... not sure about age group moves within either club, so can't help with the question about eligible 16's staying at 16 from last year at either of those clubs.
Really fired up for qualifiers, but will be out of town 10/19 and will have to wait until 11/9-10 for days 2 and 3 of qualifying... grrrr
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Post by bealzabubba on Sept 19, 2019 17:43:57 GMT -5
JBI should be wild, since it's now a week before the NorCal bid tourney, and hopefully draws those teams, too (specifically MVVC / B2B) My big question in 16's: who added height / who grew? None of the top teams last year (except MVVC) was very long, particularly at MB. For the SCVA teams, a lot will (may?) also depend on who stays down that played 16s last year. Wave and OCVC, in particular, had long/excellent 15s eligibles that played on their 16s - do those kids play 16s again, or stay with their teams and play 17s? That said, the Surf still has to be the favorite in 16s. Sure, they lost bench players, but they also added starters to that bench from other teams (SG's starting Oppo, for one). 17s: If they stay healthy, favorite should be Rockstar, looking to rebound after a disappointing BJNC's - there simply aren't that many good 6'9"+ players around, and they had two. First post... Really glad to have found this forum, have read through a number of threads the last week or so and the info and community is great! (daughter played some pretty high end soccer (retired) and those forums???... not so much community, but also a great source of info and guidance, which had me look for similar in Vball). Really neat to see the NY, WI, collegiate and National Program etc. threads too! So big thanks to the VolleyTalk Mods!
So, I haven't followed much outside of son's age group so far (now 16's), but I do know that there has been some movement in San Diego among the clubs. Coast and Wave both have further consolidated talent down here going in to this year and should be pretty competitive. Again, only aware of some of the club/team moves of players 15 going 16... not sure about age group moves within either club, so can't help with the question about eligible 16's staying at 16 from last year at either of those clubs.
Really fired up for qualifiers, but will be out of town 10/19 and will have to wait until 11/9-10 for days 2 and 3 of qualifying... grrrr
Welcome, Welcome... there are a few of us focused on 16s this year, after concentrating on 15s last (I'm obviously one). This should be a really fun year. but now ....do tell on the Wave / Coast movement issues in 16s - from Seaside? (Wave in particular really, really needed height last year in 15s). On Q1: I'll go you one worse - my son's school has the PSAT scheduled for 10-19. It's literally the ONLY school in the area that went with the alternate date, but ... priorities.
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Post by orangecurtain on Sept 19, 2019 20:29:00 GMT -5
On Q1: I'll go you one worse - my son's school has the PSAT scheduled for 10-19. It's literally the ONLY school in the area that went with the alternate date, but ... priorities. They don't allow you to take PSAT from other schools in your district? I'm pretty sure you can take the SAT and ACT from other schools.
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Post by bealzabubba on Sept 19, 2019 21:20:18 GMT -5
On Q1: I'll go you one worse - my son's school has the PSAT scheduled for 10-19. It's literally the ONLY school in the area that went with the alternate date, but ... priorities. They don't allow you to take PSAT from other schools in your district? I'm pretty sure you can take the SAT and ACT from other schools. SAT/ACT can be taken anywhere, as it's proctored by the testing agency. PSAT is different, as it's given/proctored by the school - this is why they can choose one of three dates - MOST choose the primary date, which is Wednesday. (And some don't give it all). For ... reasons... our school chose Saturday. As my district is one HS - intra district doesn't work. After being turned down by two private schools, and four public schools, we've found one other local school (in an adjacent district) that will let him sit, but it's on space available basis - their juniors, their sophs, then my kid, if there's a spot left. We won't know for sure until 10-9.
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Post by sandygears on Sept 20, 2019 9:45:41 GMT -5
First post... Really glad to have found this forum, have read through a number of threads the last week or so and the info and community is great! (daughter played some pretty high end soccer (retired) and those forums???... not so much community, but also a great source of info and guidance, which had me look for similar in Vball). Really neat to see the NY, WI, collegiate and National Program etc. threads too! So big thanks to the VolleyTalk Mods!
So, I haven't followed much outside of son's age group so far (now 16's), but I do know that there has been some movement in San Diego among the clubs. Coast and Wave both have further consolidated talent down here going in to this year and should be pretty competitive. Again, only aware of some of the club/team moves of players 15 going 16... not sure about age group moves within either club, so can't help with the question about eligible 16's staying at 16 from last year at either of those clubs.
Really fired up for qualifiers, but will be out of town 10/19 and will have to wait until 11/9-10 for days 2 and 3 of qualifying... grrrr
Welcome, Welcome... there are a few of us focused on 16s this year, after concentrating on 15s last (I'm obviously one). This should be a really fun year. but now ....do tell on the Wave / Coast movement issues in 16s - from Seaside? (Wave in particular really, really needed height last year in 15s). On Q1: I'll go you one worse - my son's school has the PSAT scheduled for 10-19. It's literally the ONLY school in the area that went with the alternate date, but ... priorities. Ouch on the PSAT... that just sucks for you and jr.. Mine will be in town to play.
I'm extending a midweek business trip in Boston and flying the ol' lady in to knock fall colors in NH and VT off the bucket list. Ya, can't really complain about that, but man I want to see that first day something fierce!
Now, on the moves... I haven't seen much of either Wave or Coast to know exactly who ended up where, we only have 1 yr of Travel under our belt and we just spent a lot of time trying to understand brackets, times and what court to show up to. We didn't play against the other SD clubs consistently enough to get familiar with specific players.
That said, Wave created a new 16-1 team and brought maybe 3 players from last year's 15's team into the 16-1, the rest came from outside the club. I don't know how many of those that didn't move into the 16-1 team stayed to roster on the 16-2 team, but assume some tried their luck elsewhere...
I'm sure Seaside lost/picked up players, but think they likely didn't come out as far ahead as the other 2. At least one Seaside player went to Wave 16-1. Coast did have some movement, but it was filling in the existing team roster, so not as big of changes, but likely more strategic by position. Genuine VBC (Vista in N. County) had a solid core at 15's and that team essentially dissolved; 4 to Wave 16-1, 2 to Coast 16-1(spots opened by 2 Coast to Wave) and 1 to Wave 15's (was playing up last year at Genuine 15).
With both beach volley ball after school and new club practice activity 3 days a week, there are a lot of new faces and they all have some shade of acne and odd facial hair patches... hard to tell which one is mine when I pull the family taxi up to the curb when it is my turn to drive!
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Post by bealzabubba on Sept 20, 2019 11:45:05 GMT -5
Any changes to the Invitational rule- if don’t get bid can move to new team for Nationals? It seemed like there were some differing opinions on the topic last year... The 2020 BJNC Tournament manual has not been updated as to Rules/Regs, and can be found here: www.teamusa.org/USA-Volleyball/Calendar/2020/June/27/BJNC-2020/Participant-Info/Tournament-ManualThe 2019-20 SCVA Parent Handbook is here: www.scvavolleyball.org/home/180020323/180020323/Images/Parent%20Handbook%202020.pdf Pertinent portions are on p 3. (B. Registration) and p. 8 (J. Frozen Rosters). The latter doesn't look to have changed. The registration rule seems to provide a black and white answer to this issue: "It is important for you to know you are agreeing to a commitment to the club for the entire season. There are no releases and transfers. Once a player is registered with a club, he/she will participate with that club for the entire season. Understand that if the club your player commits to chooses not to participate in a year end event, this is a situation to handle between you and the club. The SCVA will not be involved in any releases regarding this matter." (Bold in original, other emphasis mine). ETA: Did anyone see this document before tryouts? I didn't, nor did I think to look, but in season transfers aren't really on my radar for any number of reasons - my kids with his team come hell or highwater. This is new language - for comparison, the 2019 manual only stated: "As a parent, please take an extra minute to read what you are signing and make sure the form is filled out correctly. This will speed things up and get your athlete on the court faster. No registration materials will be accepted at any tournament site." for reference, the discussion last spring was in the following thread, and p.2 has the details on how it worked in practice: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/77051/spring-season-update-regarding-rosters We didn't play against the other SD clubs consistently enough to get familiar with specific players. That’s 15s. Only at the three big tourneys were we guaranteed to see each other, and then, only in your narrow performance bracket (i.e. son's team played OCVC/Coast/SCVC repeatedly, MBS / BB / Wave / Seaside a couple, and never once saw Genuine).
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Post by G$ on Sept 20, 2019 18:03:48 GMT -5
Any changes to the Invitational rule- if don’t get bid can move to new team for Nationals? It seemed like there were some differing opinions on the topic last year... The 2020 BJNC Tournament manual has not been updated as to Rules/Regs, and can be found here: www.teamusa.org/USA-Volleyball/Calendar/2020/June/27/BJNC-2020/Participant-Info/Tournament-ManualThe 2019-20 SCVA Parent Handbook is here: www.scvavolleyball.org/home/180020323/180020323/Images/Parent%20Handbook%202020.pdf Pertinent portions are on p 3. (B. Registration) and p. 8 (J. Frozen Rosters). The latter doesn't look to have changed. The registration rule seems to provide a black and white answer to this issue: "It is important for you to know you are agreeing to a commitment to the club for the entire season. There are no releases and transfers. Once a player is registered with a club, he/she will participate with that club for the entire season. Understand that if the club your player commits to chooses not to participate in a year end event, this is a situation to handle between you and the club. The SCVA will not be involved in any releases regarding this matter." (Bold in original, other emphasis mine). ETA: Did anyone see this document before tryouts? I didn't, nor did I think to look, but in season transfers aren't really on my radar for any number of reasons - my kids with his team come hell or highwater. This is new language - for comparison, the 2019 manual only stated: "As a parent, please take an extra minute to read what you are signing and make sure the form is filled out correctly. This will speed things up and get your athlete on the court faster. No registration materials will be accepted at any tournament site." for reference, the discussion last spring was in the following thread, and p.2 has the details on how it worked in practice: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/77051/spring-season-update-regarding-rosters That’s 15s. Only at the three big tourneys were we guaranteed to see each other, and then, only in your narrow performance bracket (i.e. son's team played OCVC/Coast/SCVC repeatedly, MBS / BB / Wave / Seaside a couple, and never once saw Genuine). I was part of that Spring transfer conversation last year, and this language looks very new, and much more concrete. I am not sure how an athlete would now argue for release. I do not see any other gray area - pick your club wisely!
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