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Post by bbg95 on Oct 3, 2019 18:00:32 GMT -5
I agree here. TCU and maybe even Texas A&M have had better recruiting classes and have not yet had the same success as Baylor. I think what Pressley is for Baylor is what McCall is for TCU. Take Pressley out of this Baylor team and it's completely different. I'm hoping McCall returns soon and the Frogs make a run. Better for the Big 12 especially with Kansas being down. The whole “take Pressley out of Baylor” thing is TIRED. 1) People said the same thing about Katie Staiger but Baylor still managed to host when she had an injury-ridden senior season. 2) Take Plummer from Stanford, Rettke from Wisconsin, Quade from Illinois, Edmond from Kentucky- OF COURSE things are gonna be a little different if a team doesn’t have their star 3) BUT we don’t know who replaces them as a recruit. There’s no telling who would end up at Baylor had Pressley never came. 4) We aren’t living in a what if world, so the what if Pressley wasn’t there isn’t relevant on the court until she’s no longer there 5) Stafford is the returning two-time All-American from last season, not Pressley I don't know. Baylor would still be a good team without Pressley, but a team like Stanford can absorb the loss of their best player more easily. Pressley is averaging an insane 5.86 kills/set this season and is hitting .353. To put that into perspective, Roni Jones-Perry averaged "only" 4.82 kills/set for BYU last year while hitting .328 (also, Plummer is currently averaging 5.18 kills/set and is hitting .296). As a BYU fan, trust me, they would not have been able to weather the loss of Perry the way they were able to survive the loss of their second-best hitter, McKenna Miller. Without Perry, I think BYU may have made it to the Sweet 16, but there's no way they make the Final Four (RJP beat Texas nearly by herself). And Pressley is providing even more offense for Baylor than RJP was for BYU. She has to be the favorite for Player of the Year at the moment I would think.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Oct 3, 2019 18:10:02 GMT -5
The whole “take Pressley out of Baylor” thing is TIRED. 1) People said the same thing about Katie Staiger but Baylor still managed to host when she had an injury-ridden senior season. 2) Take Plummer from Stanford, Rettke from Wisconsin, Quade from Illinois, Edmond from Kentucky- OF COURSE things are gonna be a little different if a team doesn’t have their star 3) BUT we don’t know who replaces them as a recruit. There’s no telling who would end up at Baylor had Pressley never came. 4) We aren’t living in a what if world, so the what if Pressley wasn’t there isn’t relevant on the court until she’s no longer there 5) Stafford is the returning two-time All-American from last season, not Pressley Well, for what it's worth, "I" didn't compare Baylor to TCU. I was responding to the the post that said that "Baylor is very good because they look at everything in their recruiting. They evaluate players based on the hitting but makes sure the hitter can play defense (most can't). They recruit good defenders that can score from back row or from serving. They recruit players that can do more and some non-traditional" To me, that's de-emphasizing what Pressely is doing for this team right now. I don't think that Baylor is where they are because the coaching staff had a crystal ball to determine which HS hitters can play defense. This isn't to suggest that Baylor wouldn't be a quality team with quality players sans Pressley (by all accounts they would be), but I don't think they are "very good" without Pressley. That's just my opinion though. completely separately (but I'm bored and feel like a good VT argument) I don't see what Staiger and Baylor hosting in 2017 has to do with anything. She was available in the preseason which is where Baylor established the SOS and record to win the matches necessary to host. If you are saying that Baylor is good enough to only drop a few matches in the big 12 without it's star player, then fine, I'd agree with that, but that fact doesn't make Baylor "very good", it speaks to the lack of depth in the Big 12 in any given year which is hit or miss after Texas. Colorado beat that Baylor team pretty handily on Baylors home floor. Back in 2016/2017 there was a lot of talk that Baylor would struggle without Staiger. The Big 12 had much more depth then with Kansas, Iowa State and Kansas State all being good teams. Baylor swept the star-studded Kansas team on the road and also beat ISU without Staiger. Even when she played, she was not at full health. They easily could’ve fallen off without her and lost their hosting position. Additionally, some said when she graduated Baylor would experience some fall off but that didn’t happen with the rising of Pressley and Stafford, and Baylor actually had their most historic season the year after she left. My point being, this one-dimensional thing was said about Baylor in the past but you never know who’s waiting in the wings to break out.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Oct 3, 2019 18:11:50 GMT -5
The whole “take Pressley out of Baylor” thing is TIRED. 1) People said the same thing about Katie Staiger but Baylor still managed to host when she had an injury-ridden senior season. 2) Take Plummer from Stanford, Rettke from Wisconsin, Quade from Illinois, Edmond from Kentucky- OF COURSE things are gonna be a little different if a team doesn’t have their star 3) BUT we don’t know who replaces them as a recruit. There’s no telling who would end up at Baylor had Pressley never came. 4) We aren’t living in a what if world, so the what if Pressley wasn’t there isn’t relevant on the court until she’s no longer there 5) Stafford is the returning two-time All-American from last season, not Pressley I don't know. Baylor would still be a good team without Pressley, but a team like Stanford can absorb the loss of their best player more easily. Pressley is averaging an insane 5.86 kills/set this season and is hitting .353. To put that into perspective, Roni Jones-Perry averaged "only" 4.82 kills/set for BYU last year while hitting .328 (also, Plummer is currently averaging 5.18 kills/set and is hitting .296). As a BYU fan, trust me, they would not have been able to weather the loss of Perry the way they were able to survive the loss of their second-best hitter, McKenna Miller. Without Perry, I think BYU may have made it to the Sweet 16, but there's no way they make the Final Four (RJP beat Texas nearly by herself). And Pressley is providing even more offense for Baylor than RJP was for BYU. She has to be the favorite for Player of the Year at the moment I would think. Oh I definitely agree that Stanford without Plummer would probably fair better than Baylor without Pressley, but things would still not quite be the same.
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Post by hookem1 on Oct 3, 2019 19:40:17 GMT -5
OH NO! Prayers to everyone on campus that they remain safe. Twitter said possible shooter at Aparment nearby and he might be on the run I’m a current student and live about 3 streets over from where this is occurring. I swore I heard gunshots but my roommate didn’t think so. I’m safe at home but unsure exactly what is going on I had a friend who was texting me about what was going on earlier and I was really glad she was in her dorm when this happened, stay safe!
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Post by houstonbear15 on Oct 3, 2019 19:58:20 GMT -5
I’m a current student and live about 3 streets over from where this is occurring. I swore I heard gunshots but my roommate didn’t think so. I’m safe at home but unsure exactly what is going on I had a friend who was texting me about what was going on earlier and I was really glad she was in her dorm when this happened, stay safe! We’ve got the all clear now! There was a robbery gone bad right next to campus so BU went on lockdown as a precaution.
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Oct 3, 2019 20:07:08 GMT -5
I had a friend who was texting me about what was going on earlier and I was really glad she was in her dorm when this happened, stay safe! We’ve got the all clear now! There was a robbery gone bad right next to campus so BU went on lockdown as a precaution. I was stressing out in Moody thank God it’s over
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Post by eotexas5 on Oct 3, 2019 22:37:54 GMT -5
I think the comparison I was trying to make with TCU was mainly related to recruiting. TCU has had higher recruiting classes than Baylor and so when McCall is out, their team changes completely. I think I assumed that since TCU has had higher recruiting classes that they would be able to make up for their lost star. I don't follow Baylor so I don't know anything about their bench or who they would have coming in. Obvi, it's a moot point considering Pressley is healthy and playing well.
And yeah, I also don't get what Staiger and Baylor hosting have anything to do with this conversation.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Oct 3, 2019 22:43:40 GMT -5
I think the comparison I was trying to make with TCU was mainly related to recruiting. TCU has had higher recruiting classes than Baylor and so when McCall is out, their team changes completely. I think I assumed that since TCU has had higher recruiting classes that they would be able to make up for their lost star. I don't follow Baylor so I don't know anything about their bench or who they would have coming in. Obvi, it's a moot point considering Pressley is healthy and playing well. And yeah, I also don't get what Staiger and Baylor hosting have anything to do with this conversation. It has to do with losing a star player. People said the same thing about Staiger that is being said about Pressley but Baylor has done well, both during her injury and after her graduation. I’ve just seen so much on this board about “if Baylor didn’t have Pressley”.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Oct 5, 2019 15:42:16 GMT -5
Bears are rolling. 7 straight sweeps
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Post by volleycoachiq on Oct 5, 2019 16:30:56 GMT -5
K-State was their worst match this year. Bad hitting percentage for the Bears. McGee hit negative. Pressley well below her season average. Bears were fortunate to come out on top.
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Post by jaypak on Oct 5, 2019 16:43:08 GMT -5
Fortunate? Baylor swept, and held their power conference opponent below 20 in two of the sets. "Slightly less dominant than usual" is a more apt description for this victory than "fortunate."
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 5, 2019 19:03:17 GMT -5
Fortunate? Baylor swept, and held their power conference opponent below 20 in two of the sets. "Slightly less dominant than usual" is a more apt description for this victory than "fortunate." I wouldn't say they were "fortunate," but I think "power conference opponent" is also a bit misleading. There are some really bad teams in the power conferences, and Kansas State is one of them. Their RPI is 199.
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Post by trojansc on Oct 5, 2019 19:28:33 GMT -5
Fortunate? Baylor swept, and held their power conference opponent below 20 in two of the sets. "Slightly less dominant than usual" is a more apt description for this victory than "fortunate." I wouldn't say they were "fortunate," but I think "power conference opponent" is also a bit misleading. There are some really bad teams in the power conferences, and Kansas State is one of them. Their RPI is 199. There is no way in heck that ~66% of D1 is better than K State, so no, I wouldn't say they are a "REALLY" bad team, so I also wouldn't say their RPI is a accurate measurement of how to evaluate them, especially at this point. Their Pablo is ~100 places better. Compare K State and Houston. I imagine if they played it'd be a very close match, though Houston looks miles ahead in RPI and actually looks WORSE in Pablo when compared to K State.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Oct 5, 2019 19:31:56 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t think the Bears were fortunate, they are just that talented. Even when they’re not playing their best, they manage to figure it out and still win. That’s a good sign.
Coach McGuyre on the win: "There's a confidence and there's a trust that they have in one another. Yossi (Pressley) had a lot of errors today but came up with some really big swings down the stretch. It's a battle of staying engaged and winning some points. The girls are training hard to be in the right spots and the trust in one another that it's going to work. We can't control the outcome, but we can control how hard we go. Tonight, we played hard to the finish."
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 5, 2019 19:48:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they were "fortunate," but I think "power conference opponent" is also a bit misleading. There are some really bad teams in the power conferences, and Kansas State is one of them. Their RPI is 199. There is no way in heck that ~66% of D1 is better than K State, so no, I wouldn't say they are a "REALLY" bad team, so I also wouldn't say their RPI is a accurate measurement of how to evaluate them, especially at this point. Their Pablo is ~100 places better. Compare K State and Houston. I imagine if they played it'd be a very close match, though Houston looks miles ahead in RPI and actually looks WORSE in Pablo when compared to K State. Eh, if you say so. Maybe they're just "bad" instead of "really bad." Edit: Okay, there's a reason why K-State's RPI is so low. Before their loss to Baylor (which actually improved their RPI), here are their wins and losses. Wins: Austin Peay (RPI 211), Clemson (130), Nebraska-Omaha (176), Central Arkansas (268), North Texas (187), TCU (69). Losses: NC State (155), Maryland (112), Missouri State (246), Weber State (134), Dayton (68), Ohio (105), New Mexico (173), Texas Tech (81). Yikes. They're 6-9 against a weak schedule with effectively zero good wins and a lot of bad losses.
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